Dash Cameras

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Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Golf with a bit of an undertaking habit on a miserable M5 last night...

http://youtu.be/L2h9pX-62xg

cj2013

1,359 posts

126 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Accelebrate said:
Golf with a bit of an undertaking habit on a miserable M5 last night...

http://youtu.be/L2h9pX-62xg
If you read the other thread on here you'd be led to believe that Golfs are allowed to undertake.

Personally, I think people like that are nobbers - raining, forcing people to brake through his own antisocial driving.

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Accelebrate said:
Golf with a bit of an undertaking habit on a miserable M5 last night...

http://youtu.be/L2h9pX-62xg
If drivers used the overtaking lanes only for overtaking actual vehicles and not wide open spaces then this sort of driving (as demonstrated by the Golf) would not be possible.

Discuss.


P I Staker

3,308 posts

156 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Cliftonite said:
If drivers used the overtaking lanes only for overtaking actual vehicles and not wide open spaces then this sort of driving (as demonstrated by the Golf) would not be possible.

Discuss.
Agreed. Keep left.

Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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4189 said:
Cliftonite said:
If drivers used the overtaking lanes only for overtaking actual vehicles and not wide open spaces then this sort of driving (as demonstrated by the Golf) would not be possible.

Discuss.
Totally agree, the first undertake by the Golf was perfectly justified, the second was stupid, probably borne out of frustration.
I disagree, he gave the black car (Vauxhall?) ahead of me at the start of the clip no opportunity to move over after the two motorways merged. Looking at the change in road position of the Vauxhall the driver was thinking about moving over before he spotted the Golf steaming up the inside. Given that it was dark and wet with a reasonable amount of spray I'd say it was pretty dumb move rather than being perfectly justified.

Edited by Accelebrate on Monday 17th November 20:19

ShaunTheSheep

951 posts

155 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Accelebrate said:
I disagree, he gave the black car (Vauxhall?) ahead of me at the start of the clip no opportunity to move over after the two motorways merged. Looking at the change in road position of the Vauxhall the driver was thinking about moving over before he spotted the Golf steaming up the inside. Given that it was dark and wet with a reasonable amount of spray I'd say it was pretty dumb move rather than being perfectly justified.

Edited by Accelebrate on Monday 17th November 20:19
Return to the left. You never once came out the overtaking lane!

The golf driver was brain dead but I'd book you for blocking the road (if anyone was crazy enough to give me such powers...)

Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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ShaunTheSheep said:
Return to the left. You never once came out the overtaking lane!

The golf driver was brain dead but I'd book you for blocking the road (if anyone was crazy enough to give me such powers...)
Blocking for whom? There was nobody behind me.

With the exception of the portion of the clip where I'm hanging back to see how the antics of the Golf unfold there isn't a portion of the clip where I'm not passing other vehicles in a timely fashion.

I can assure you I spend a lot of time keeping left rather than sitting in a constantly growing queue in the outside lane, but in the clip above it was not necessary.

M4cruiser

3,624 posts

150 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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ShaunTheSheep said:
Return to the left. You never once came out the overtaking lane!

The golf driver was brain dead but I'd book you for blocking the road (if anyone was crazy enough to give me such powers...)
Looks to me like the camera driver did nothing wrong. Motorway quite busy, damp surface, need to leave a 3 second gap, look at the whole picture.

ShaunTheSheep

951 posts

155 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Accelebrate said:
Blocking for whom? There was nobody behind me.
We know there was at least a golf...

M4cruiser said:
Motorway quite busy
And lane 1 almost empty. I rest my case your honour.

Edited by ShaunTheSheep on Monday 17th November 23:17

Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Watch the footage again, the Golf is joining from my left where the two motorways merge, not undertaking from behind me.

You'd make a useless Police officer wink

FiF

44,061 posts

251 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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M4cruiser said:
ShaunTheSheep said:
Return to the left. You never once came out the overtaking lane!

The golf driver was brain dead but I'd book you for blocking the road (if anyone was crazy enough to give me such powers...)
Looks to me like the camera driver did nothing wrong. Motorway quite busy, damp surface, need to leave a 3 second gap, look at the whole picture.
Agreed, Golf driver warranted words of advice after the first overtake down the middle lane, but reported for prosecution after that second set of madness.

Camera driver nowt wrong with that if nothing behind.

Some of the comments on this these threads firstly make me wonder if the Internet directs some people to watch a different video, then just confirms to me the unreliability of witness statements. They've only watched it once in real time and only then had the opportunity to replay an imaginary perceived and adjusted version in their heads. Here people have the opportunity to watch things over and over and still get some strange interpretation.

carreauchompeur

17,846 posts

204 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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FiF said:
Agreed, Golf driver warranted words of advice after the first overtake down the middle lane, but reported for prosecution after that second set of madness.

Camera driver nowt wrong with that if nothing behind.
Really? Erm , keep left?

Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I don't see the benefit in hopping in and out of lane 2 if you're not impeding the progress of anyone behind you and you can see that you'll be passing another car in lane 2 before anyone catches up with you. Changing lanes is inherently risky, particularly when it's dark and wet and you may miss a vehicle in lane 1 moving into lane 2. Checking blind spots means that you're briefly taking you're eyes away from the road ahead. I'm all for keeping left, but in this instance it made more sense to remain in the outside lane.

FiF

44,061 posts

251 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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carreauchompeur said:
FiF said:
Agreed, Golf driver warranted words of advice after the first overtake down the middle lane, but reported for prosecution after that second set of madness.

Camera driver nowt wrong with that if nothing behind.
Really? Erm , keep left?
For much of the whole of that sequence the camera car was either overtaking traffic in the lane to their left or there was a space to their left on two occasions but they were catching traffic up. Given the camera driver said there was nothing behind, even in the last few seconds of the video where one could argue he should have moved left, he would have had to plan to move out again within 20 seconds. If there is nothing behind him, then what is gained by two lane changes. If there was traffic behind him then I would probably have moved left, let the faster vehicle behind past, and then moved out again when safe and appropriate to do so. But, at the risk of labouring the point, no one behind. So?


There was one bit early on where just after the Golf had wazzed past that a possible move to the left would have been considered. But there was a vehicle that had just joined in lane 1.

Considering the tendency for drivers to move out asap, which we all complain about, camera car was right in blind spot of that vehicle. Therefore imo it was right to stay out until past and then signal and move. It appeared that camera was going to move left from lane position adjust but the vehicle ahead moved left and signalled.

Ffwd and a number of overtakes to the point where the Golf moved left.

Yes at that point a move left was soon going to be possible once the llight coloured vehicle was far enough behind. At about that time the Golf then made his second move and frankly considering the risk of it all going tits up in lanes 1&2 then keeping as far back and right as conditions allowed was just sensible.

That's my view fwiw.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I would have moved to the left if for no other reason than it allows a better view forward

ShaunTheSheep

951 posts

155 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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This argument is the same as those who say "I drive in the overtaking lane but if anyone comes up behind I'll move in".

You'd rather constantly scan lanes 1-3 behind for a potential overtaker (that means identifying other traffic AND evaluating their closing speed) from your lane 3 vantage point than just a casual glance every few seconds behind to see where people are with no need to figure out closing speeds.

Of course that's preposterous, you'd be tired after a few miles, so in fact what happens is people wait until someone is directly behind them. 1 journey needlessly held up for no reason. Now I admit plainly this is not crime of the century, but it is utterly pointless.

That's not the real problem anyway. The problem with this situation is a small group of cars approaches from behind at a higher speed. Instead of filling past unimpeded, you have cars slowing down and bunching up, add another couple and you have traffic held up.

Again, hardly a candidate for crime watch but completely pointless.

My position on these arguments is much simpler than all those above. Its simply: follow the highway code.

No one is served by drivers making up their own rules of the road. We have a first class highway code. When I deviate from it, its for a concrete reason and it doesn't begin with "so that I can..."

So to deviate from the code needs justification. It is not that the case needs to be made for whatever harm was caused by those flouting it.

In my humble opinion...

Accelebrate

5,251 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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ShaunTheSheep said:
Of course that's preposterous, you'd be tired after a few miles
I would argue that this is second nature to any reasonably competent driver. Keeping an eye on what's going on ahead and behind you really isn't that tiring. You seem to be assuming that I spent the entire 90 mile journey in the outside lane, I did not. For those couple of minutes, all things considered it made sense to remain in the outside lane.

Towards the end of the clip I was hanging back to see how the actions of the Golf would unfold, from memory I was not comfortably clear of the Toyota I passed at around 30s. Does The Highway Code not stipulate that drivers should move left only when safely past? For the rest of the clip I was either allowing the traffic merging from my left to merge, or overtaking. I could have moved over after passing the black Vauxhall that the Golf undertook, but I had clear sight to pass the Kia in the distance and nothing behind me so I knew the overtake was on.

I can't see what you'd be hypothetically booking me for?

ShaunTheSheep

951 posts

155 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Accelebrate said:
I can't see what you'd be hypothetically booking me for?
Selective quoting for one...

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

157 months

Friday 21st November 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUH__F51EvE

Not mine but some 'interesting' driving.

GaryGlitter

1,934 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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GrumpyTwig said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUH__F51EvE

Not mine but some 'interesting' reposting.
EFA. It's been posted more times than there are days in the week.