Dash Cameras

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FiF

44,061 posts

251 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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This sort of story never surprises me. For years had an office near a large Audi dealer. From time to time they even rent part of our land to store new vehicles at busy times when the plates change.

Hardly a day goes by without something of the RS persuasion being ragged absolutely senseless up the dual carriageway and on occasions through the suburban streets, past schools and shops. tts frankly.

rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Silverbullet767 said:
rich888 said:
It might just be that your SD card is knackered which is relatively cheap to fix by replacing it with a new card.

Alternatively replace it with an 0801, 0805, 0806 or Mobius camera.

If it's any help I purchased a Blackvue DR500GW-HD a couple of years ago which cost quite a lot of money and it was totally outclassed by the Eprance 0801 dashcam which is at the cheaper end of the market but nevertheless produces outstanding results in normal conditions. The 0805 is supposed to be better especially in low light and night-time as is the 0806 which has been somewhat problematic to date though the latest models may be better.

The wild card in the dash cam market is the Mobius action cam which has proved to be outstanding where it counts, and that is reliability, video quality and cost, and it excels in all these departments except night-time video quality, it even records pin sharp number-plates of oncoming cars in conditions that the 0806 blurs. You can buy the Mobius direct from the manufacturer via their ebay page, just remember to buy the 3m cable, USB to cigarette adapter and windscreen suction or permanent mount. I purchased the bog standard 'A' lens model. Link is: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/eletoponline365/m.html?_...

Ought to mention that Mobius has an astonishingly good reputation.
Good point about the card, I'll try a new one and see if that sorts things, wouldn't like to try and remove that sticky mount if I can help it! But failing that, the Eprance ones look like a cost effective solution. Seems as if (from my limited googling) that the 0806 is unproven yet and the 0805 is the best bet. Hopefully the memory card will sort it though. Thanks.
Had one more thought tonight ref the SD card that's acting up before you go and spend money on a new one, and that is to try formatting it to see if that fixes the problem. With these cards being continually overwritten it's always a good idea to format them occasionally.

rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Silverbullet767 said:
It may be just because I'm drunk right now (many many vodkas), but I want to share a story (even though I shouldn't) and it may effect my 'deal' that I struck with an unnamed organisation (cough BMW), but here goes. It's a story involving a dashcam (quelle surprise on this thread!) But a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I took my car in for some engine work. I was experiencing some misfires and got error codes all over the shop (335i is notorious for misfires) long story short I got my car back with a 2K bill for 6X injectors and spark plugs. But me being the avid PH'er I had a dash cam, so I thought I'd review the footage. And what I seen (queue 'think of the children' meme) shocked me. Over 4 days the staff of the company who shall remain nameless took my car for several joyrides, even boasting about how much of my petrol he was using on the audio footage. One joyride in particular took the piss. 137mph on public highways! Don't really want to post the video because it may attract the daily wail and police presence, but be assured it does exist! (apologies for the lack of footage, but it really would stir the hornets nest)

After seeing the footage, I contacted the dealership with a screenshot of the video software with 137mph with the caption 'care to explain why my car under your care is shown doing 137mph on a public highway?' I then got a call from the dealer manager with a thousand apologies and what really stuck in my head was 'bring your car down and we'll fill the tank up for you sir' no f**king way I thought and I googled for the manager of BMW. I send him an email and I got a call from the head of customer care, this was when I sent the video footage, he then said would I like to have a meeting with the dealer in question to discuss how we may go forward. I agreed to this.

As apoplectic as I was I agreed to this meeting to see what the dealer in question had to say for themselves. So I turned up for the meeting with some nervous looking dealer managers. They tried their best to say that a car like this was designed for those sort of speeds and the employee in question was being disciplined, but I wasn't having it. Call me a thief if you like, but my confidence in my car was zero. How was I to know that some unknown damage could have occurred due to the treatment it received during it's time under a certain dealers? I demanded a warranty for as long as I was continuing to pay for the car (circa 2 years payments) a new set of tyres (I forgot to mention, the tyres that were on the car were winter tyres supplied by the dealer, bearing in mind this was a few months ago in the winter, and they were only rated to 135mph, so as far as I was concerned, they were used outside manufactures guidelines. Another request was that I was refunded the monies paid for the engine work carried out, plus a service plan for the next two years. They were reluctant at first, and even refused. But after I had said that I would be taking legal action, they soon changed their tune.

Moral of the story is. Check your footage after a trip to the dealership.

The person who took my car for a joyride got the sack as you would expect. The reason for me not releasing the footage is I don't want to see someone lose their licence as well as losing their job, someone in that kind of job will need their licence. I didn't want to rob a man of his livelihood. I have no doubt that that would've made the rags if I wanted it to.

What I received was.

A full insured warranty for as long as I am paying for the car.
A service plan
New tyres
Any immediate work done free of charge
2k of previous work refunded.

If that makes me a bad person, then I'm sorry, I just wanted to have complete security for my car as long as I was paying for it.

Maybe after the 2 years I'll post the footage. But I owe it to BMW to keep it to myself until their end if the bargain is fulfilled.

OK, this took me waaay to long to write with many spelling edits and I'm far too drunk. But as I said, review your footage. It may come up with some interesting results!

ETA: There's probably loads I've forgot, but I've wanted to post that for ages!

Edited by Silverbullet767 on Sunday 14th June 02:04
Haha, absolutely brilliant, look forward to seeing the video uploaded onto YouTube sometime soon wink

JumboBeef

3,772 posts

177 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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JumboBeef said:
I have read a lot of this thread, but still confused/unclear about which kit to get.

I drive a Volvo C70 convertible and, following a very near miss with a van which nearly had me, want to permanently fit a forward facing camera. Being a convertible, I would like to get one which is hidden as much as possible when the roof is down and the car is parked.

Can I buy this

http://www.combi.org.uk/products/89/NEW-Mini-0806-...

and an SD card and Bob's your uncle?

Thanks in advance.

PS not interested in ordering from Outer Mongolia to save a few quid.
Now ordered. I also got the polariser and 1x 32G SD card from them to start with.

Thanks for all the help. I'm looking forward to getting it and getting fitted.

Funk

26,268 posts

209 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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JumboBeef said:
JumboBeef said:
I have read a lot of this thread, but still confused/unclear about which kit to get.

I drive a Volvo C70 convertible and, following a very near miss with a van which nearly had me, want to permanently fit a forward facing camera. Being a convertible, I would like to get one which is hidden as much as possible when the roof is down and the car is parked.

Can I buy this

http://www.combi.org.uk/products/89/NEW-Mini-0806-...

and an SD card and Bob's your uncle?

Thanks in advance.

PS not interested in ordering from Outer Mongolia to save a few quid.
Now ordered. I also got the polariser and 1x 32G SD card from them to start with.

Thanks for all the help. I'm looking forward to getting it and getting fitted.
Remember to remove the polarising filter at night, apparently it makes things far too dark.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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5 mobius cams recording some footage here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeL3LhrmeME
smile

Cliftonite

8,408 posts

138 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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And is the kiddie OK?

I do not think the video is going to help you, I'm afraid. 2 metres clearance? Hmmmmm . . . ?

Does the chiming relate to a seat belt offence?


All that jazz

7,632 posts

146 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
Of course the kiddie is OK. Its the first thing I checked when I got out the car. Although I think she is in for the slipper from mum tonight.

Dont forget the camera foreshortens. 1.5m, 2m, something like that. As the front of the car starts to pass them they were on the footpath and my car is 3/4 in to the opposite lane of traffic. (i.e. a fuking big gap), by the time my passenger door is level she has driven in to the side of it. Turns out they live on the street coming up, so she was trying to cross to go home (without looking).

Yes, the chiming relates to seatbelt, not that's it relevant to someone riding their bike in to me.
<waits for the usual suspects to jump on this detail instead of focusing on the accident itself>

mikebradford

2,517 posts

145 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Ive followed this thread for about a year telling myself i should get a cam
So im finally going to do it
Looking over comments here and other sites etc, i like the mini series
But their appears to have been noted issues on the mini 0803? cooling issues etc
Not really an issue i would hope in the UK.
On flebay i see lots of mini 0801 advertised which i think are the lower spec models? and would have thought older?
so in real terms with a budget of £60 to £80 approx should i be going for one of the mini 0805? or get an 0801 still?

any advice is appreciated

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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All that jazz said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Of course the kiddie is OK. Its the first thing I checked when I got out the car. Although I think she is in for the slipper from mum tonight.

Dont forget the camera foreshortens. 1.5m, 2m, something like that. As the front of the car starts to pass them they were on the footpath and my car is 3/4 in to the opposite lane of traffic. (i.e. a fuking big gap), by the time my passenger door is level she has driven in to the side of it. Turns out they live on the street coming up, so she was trying to cross to go home (without looking).

Yes, the chiming relates to seatbelt, not that's it relevant to someone riding their bike in to me.
<waits for the usual suspects to jump on this detail instead of focusing on the accident itself>
They already did! hehe

mikebradford

2,517 posts

145 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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I thought screw it, not to large amount of money to worry about. Plus used CC to buy for some protection
Bought: Mini 0805 Ambarella A7 G-Sensor GPS Super HD 1296P Car Security Cam Dash Camera
from ebay for £80

comes with h/wire kit. but needs a card
so ill get one

Ill have a go at fitting it if and when it comes and hopefully report on here my findings

Thanks to all those that post here, as us lurkers do appreciate it smile

rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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mikebradford said:
I thought screw it, not to large amount of money to worry about. Plus used CC to buy for some protection
Bought: Mini 0805 Ambarella A7 G-Sensor GPS Super HD 1296P Car Security Cam Dash Camera
from ebay for £80

comes with h/wire kit. but needs a card
so ill get one

Ill have a go at fitting it if and when it comes and hopefully report on here my findings

Thanks to all those that post here, as us lurkers do appreciate it smile
The 0805 is probably one of the more reliable models, though the 0806 does seem to be improving in quality even though many of the advertised features don't actually work as yet which is a bit naughty. Main thing to consider is did you buy the 0805 from a reliable source in case it malfunctions and you have to sent it back. If I had seen your post earlier I would have suggested you buy from http://www.combi.org.uk/categories/6/Mini-0801-DVR but you've already ordered from Ebay. The 0801 model is actually better at recording number plates of approaching cars than the 0806 in the daytime which is astonishing considering it's far cheaper.

Anyone else considering options for a dashcam is to take a look at the Mobius action cam which has an impressive reputation, and the manufacturer even has an Ebay shop to buy direct from.

I have over the last few years fitted Blackvue, Mi-Witness, 0801, 0806 dash cameras and Mobius action cameras in my cars, so have been able to compare them over several months of driving, and have also experimented with various micro SD cards to find which work best, and genuinely do find myself struggling to say which is best from the 0801, 0806 and the Mobius because they all have their unique strengths and weaknesses. Ought to mention the video quality of these three cameras is very good indeed in normal daytime conditions, with the 0806 being better in low-light and night time, though blurs number-plates of oncoming vehicles which is very poor considering how much more it costs compared to the 0801 and Mobius.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Can you expand on the strengths and weaknesses of the top three, please?

rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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GC8 said:
Can you expand on the strengths and weaknesses of the top three, please?
The 0801

Pros:

Cheap
Excellent quality video in normal conditions
Sharp recording of number-plates of oncoming traffic at average speeds
Compact design
Small LCD so easy to initially set-up and position

Cons:

Early models were somewhat unreliable though newer models seem to be better
Lots of fake ones on the market so buy from a reputable seller
Windscreen mount tends to get rather loose after a while
Poor video quality in low-light and at night
Limited to max 32GB micro SD card due to hardware/software
Can't be used for long outside of the car due to limited battery life

The 0806

Pros:

Compact design
Extremely good quality video in the daytime
Widescreen capabilities
Good quality video in low light and night time
LCD screen making initial configuration and positioning easy
Virtually unlimited micro SD card recording capabilities - 64GB and 128GB aren't uncommon
Excellent cooling design so less overheating issues in hotter climates

Cons:

Early models do tend to be somewhat problematic, though quality is improving on 3rd generation batches. Make sure you buy from a reputable seller
Number-plates of approaching vehicles tend to be blurred when driving at speed
Windscreen mount is initially very stiff, then after a few removals becomes rather slack probably due to the off-centre weighted design of the camera
Many advertised features don't currently work, such as parking mode and writing to 2nd SD card when 1st card is full which it doesn't!
GPS facility seems hit and miss
Quite expensive considering that the 0805 offers nearly everything the 0806 provides and has proven itself to be more reliable
Can't be used for long outside of the car due to limited battery life

Mobius Action Camera

Pros:

Price is very keen
Proven reliability
Superb parts availability
Easy to disassemble
Extremely compact design
Excellent quality video in the daytime
Records sharp number-plates of oncoming vehicles even at speed in decent weather
Huge choice of fixed and removable mounts for car, helmet, bike, etc.
Widescreen capabilities depending upon choice of lens
Virtually unlimited micro SD card recording capabilities not limited to 32GB - 64GB and 128GB aren't uncommon
Battery can record for over two hours
Can be used in and out of the car
Excellent PC and Mac third-party software for changing settings if you don't want to edit using basic txt editor

Cons:

No LCD screen so initial positioning to see where it is pointing is best guess
Software needs to be downloaded to change default settings
A few owners are complaining of focusing issues in hot temperatures
Poor video quality in low-light and at night-time
No glossy brochures or instruction manuals - is this an issue when you can download the manual?

Bottom line:

The 0801 and Mobius are similar in price but they are like chalk and cheese, the Mobius is more basic and far less flashy in its design with no LCD screen, but the choice of components and software has been carefully chosen rather than rushed through. The ease of disassembly and purchase of replacement parts of the Mobius is quite astonishing, it's like the manufacturer actually wants you to keep this camera running year after year. It's not as pretty as the 0801 in its design but it is very compact and the windscreen mount is better designed and far more substantial.

The Mobius might be slightly harder to setup than the 0801 and 0806 due to its lack of LCD screen, but the software to change preferences is simple enough to use, and once set you can fit the camera and forget about it. Aside from a blinking red LED on the back of the body there is little else to remind you that it is recording.

The 0806 is an altogether better designed and manufactured camera than the 0801, but earlier 0806 models have suffered from unreliability. When operating correctly the 0806 offers better video quality in the daytime and substantially better quality video in lowlight and at night, but unfortunately it blurs number-plates of oncoming vehicles which is very unsatisfactory. Priced at around £100 it's nearly double that of the 0801 and Mobius so I would expect it to be substantially better, and with many of the advertised features not currently working is very poor indeed. It would seem that the manufacturers of the 0806 are now concentrating their efforts on the latest 0807 model instead of making good their promises for the 0806 and this attitude doesn't bode well for the future.

TankRizzo

7,261 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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Has anyone got a buzzing from the Mobius when accelerating? Only at certain rpm, seems like a vibration. I'm using the suction mount but everything seems nice and tight. Possibly the power cable rubbing on the mirror?

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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rich888 said:
GC8 said:
Can you expand on the strengths and weaknesses of the top three, please?
The 0801

Pros:

Cheap
Excellent quality video in normal conditions
Sharp recording of number-plates of oncoming traffic at average speeds
Compact design
Small LCD so easy to initially set-up and position

Cons:

Early models were somewhat unreliable though newer models seem to be better
Lots of fake ones on the market so buy from a reputable seller
Windscreen mount tends to get rather loose after a while
Poor video quality in low-light and at night
Limited to max 32GB micro SD card due to hardware/software
Can't be used for long outside of the car due to limited battery life

The 0806

Pros:

Compact design
Extremely good quality video in the daytime
Widescreen capabilities
Good quality video in low light and night time
LCD screen making initial configuration and positioning easy
Virtually unlimited micro SD card recording capabilities - 64GB and 128GB aren't uncommon
Excellent cooling design so less overheating issues in hotter climates

Cons:

Early models do tend to be somewhat problematic, though quality is improving on 3rd generation batches. Make sure you buy from a reputable seller
Number-plates of approaching vehicles tend to be blurred when driving at speed
Windscreen mount is initially very stiff, then after a few removals becomes rather slack probably due to the off-centre weighted design of the camera
Many advertised features don't currently work, such as parking mode and writing to 2nd SD card when 1st card is full which it doesn't!
GPS facility seems hit and miss
Quite expensive considering that the 0805 offers nearly everything the 0806 provides and has proven itself to be more reliable
Can't be used for long outside of the car due to limited battery life

Mobius Action Camera

Pros:

Price is very keen
Proven reliability
Superb parts availability
Easy to disassemble
Extremely compact design
Excellent quality video in the daytime
Records sharp number-plates of oncoming vehicles even at speed in decent weather
Huge choice of fixed and removable mounts for car, helmet, bike, etc.
Widescreen capabilities depending upon choice of lens
Virtually unlimited micro SD card recording capabilities not limited to 32GB - 64GB and 128GB aren't uncommon
Battery can record for over two hours
Can be used in and out of the car
Excellent PC and Mac third-party software for changing settings if you don't want to edit using basic txt editor

Cons:

No LCD screen so initial positioning to see where it is pointing is best guess
Software needs to be downloaded to change default settings
A few owners are complaining of focusing issues in hot temperatures
Poor video quality in low-light and at night-time
No glossy brochures or instruction manuals - is this an issue when you can download the manual?

Bottom line:

The 0801 and Mobius are similar in price but they are like chalk and cheese, the Mobius is more basic and far less flashy in its design with no LCD screen, but the choice of components and software has been carefully chosen rather than rushed through. The ease of disassembly and purchase of replacement parts of the Mobius is quite astonishing, it's like the manufacturer actually wants you to keep this camera running year after year. It's not as pretty as the 0801 in its design but it is very compact and the windscreen mount is better designed and far more substantial.

The Mobius might be slightly harder to setup than the 0801 and 0806 due to its lack of LCD screen, but the software to change preferences is simple enough to use, and once set you can fit the camera and forget about it. Aside from a blinking red LED on the back of the body there is little else to remind you that it is recording.

The 0806 is an altogether better designed and manufactured camera than the 0801, but earlier 0806 models have suffered from unreliability. When operating correctly the 0806 offers better video quality in the daytime and substantially better quality video in lowlight and at night, but unfortunately it blurs number-plates of oncoming vehicles which is very unsatisfactory. Priced at around £100 it's nearly double that of the 0801 and Mobius so I would expect it to be substantially better, and with many of the advertised features not currently working is very poor indeed. It would seem that the manufacturers of the 0806 are now concentrating their efforts on the latest 0807 model instead of making good their promises for the 0806 and this attitude doesn't bode well for the future.
Appreciated, thank you.

rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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GC8, have just remembered that it is possible to view what the Mobius camera is seeing for set-up purposes but you will need the data cable and a laptop to connect to whilst sitting in your car, you can then view in real-time what the camera is seeing. Having said that, I tend to best guess positioning nowadays just so long as it's pointing forwards and slightly down so that you record some of the dash and the bonnet rather than bonnet and sky.

The instruction manual for the Mobius is downloadable so it might be an idea to download it and have a quick read through to see how to do this, and don't waste hours by accidentally connecting the USB power-lead instead of the data-cable lead to the laptop, then wondering why the camera won't switch over to video mode (I say this from experience!).

TankRizzo

7,261 posts

193 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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The sodding buzzing from the Mobius is driving me mad, I can't fix it. May have to return it frown I've changed the card and flashed the firmware to the newest, it's not contacting anything and the mount is solid and doesn't move.

Maybe something loose inside the case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsgnTNAchs&fe...


rich888

2,610 posts

199 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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TankRizzo said:
The sodding buzzing from the Mobius is driving me mad, I can't fix it. May have to return it frown I've changed the card and flashed the firmware to the newest, it's not contacting anything and the mount is solid and doesn't move.

Maybe something loose inside the case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAsgnTNAchs&fe...
Am sure I read another user complaining of the same problem, apparently he found that the noise only occurred when the unit was upside down when stuck to the windscreen and the buttons were pointing downwards and he noticed that the buttons were wobbling, solution was a bit of sticky foam tape to stop them from moving.

It's easy enough to split the casing and take a look. When I stripped down my Mobius for interest I discovered that the battery had come unstuck, so stuck it down again with another piece of double sided foam tape that I had purchased from Amazon.

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd June 2015
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rich888 said:
GC8, have just remembered that it is possible to view what the Mobius camera is seeing for set-up purposes but you will need the data cable and a laptop to connect to whilst sitting in your car, you can then view in real-time what the camera is seeing. Having said that, I tend to best guess positioning nowadays just so long as it's pointing forwards and slightly down so that you record some of the dash and the bonnet rather than bonnet and sky.

The instruction manual for the Mobius is downloadable so it might be an idea to download it and have a quick read through to see how to do this, and don't waste hours by accidentally connecting the USB power-lead instead of the data-cable lead to the laptop, then wondering why the camera won't switch over to video mode (I say this from experience!).
Thanks Rich. I fancy the Mobius, but it is always interesting to hear from someone with actual experience of them all.

I have what I believed to be an 801 based camera integrated into a mirror, but I now suspect that the hardware differs, even if the firmware appears similar. frown