Dash Cameras

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James B

1,300 posts

243 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Mr Trophy said:
James B

I mean this in the best way possible - fantastic!

I am in no means an expert but this surely has to go in favour of your wife? Please do keep us updated. Did your wife example the "gentlemans" face when she said the whole thing was caught on camera?
Well she was actually very upset by the whole thing as, and I hadn't wanted to mention it too early to avoid tainting peoples opinions, the reason she called the Police was that the guy was a complete arse and began shouting and bawling at her and acting rather agressively towards her. She called me so I reminded her about the camera and suggested she stands in full view of it should he do something daft as she was already outside the car and he was blocking her route back to the door. My office is only at the Harbour so I was on scene in minutes and the Police were just arriving as I did so sadly I never got the opportunity to personally 'thank' the gentleman for testing the structural rigidity of my wife's car. He did look like he wanted to run away however when he spotted the big lump that I am barrelling down the pavement on foot and the police coming from the opposite direction!

James B

1,300 posts

243 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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askew said:
Mr Trophy said:
James B

I mean this in the best way possible - fantastic!

I am in no means an expert but this surely has to go in favour of your wife? Please do keep us updated. Did your wife example the "gentlemans" face when she said the whole thing was caught on camera?
I would hope that it wasn't mentioned: the perfect way for the other driver to incriminate himself (herself?) was to bullst.
This is the most surprising bit of it. She told him there was camera in the car but he can't have believed her as he then proceeded to lie to the Police; 'tapped brakes on entry to corner' and 'never came to a halt'.

tenpenceshort

32,880 posts

216 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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James B said:
tenpenceshort said:
Looks six of one, half a dozen the other to me. Fiat shouldn't be brake testing, following car shouldn't be so close that she couldn't avoid it. After all, that could have been a genuine emergency brake and she would still have collided with it.
The point she made was that any child/cat/dog etc appearing from the side of the road would have had her reacting too. The fact she had the vantage point to see the road ahead meant that she was as surprised as anyone when he elected to stand on the brakes for absolutely no reason. He has also lied to the Police about this as he claims it was 'maybe a tap of the brakes to slow for the corner'. He wanted to draw her in and cause an accident.
I very much doubt the other driver wanted an accident. I suspect they may have felt threatened by being tailgated by a large vehicle and were getting no joy from driving slowly with the brake lights earlier in the video and were trying to shock your OH into leaving a gap.

Unfortunately, his driving was well below what should be expected and I would hope he is prosecuted. The risk of this, is that your OH may also face the same sanction, as she was also driving carelessly.

I don't know precisely what view the insurers will take, however I very much doubt they will ignore the second driver's negligence in following too closely and being unable to avoid the collision. Cars needing to stop suddenly is a reasonably foreseeable event on the road (their motivation for doing so may vary), and as such at all times you should maintain a gap that will accommodate that.

About 14 years ago I learned the hard way, when a chump did exactly the same to me as to your OH. In retrospect the collision was all my own fault as I chose to follow the car in front so closely that when he brake tested me, I crashed into the back of him.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

202 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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James B said:
Well she was actually very upset by the whole thing as, and I hadn't wanted to mention it too early to avoid tainting peoples opinions, the reason she called the Police was that the guy was a complete arse and began shouting and bawling at her and acting rather agressively towards her. She called me so I reminded her about the camera and suggested she stands in full view of it should he do something daft as she was already outside the car and he was blocking her route back to the door. My office is only at the Harbour so I was on scene in minutes and the Police were just arriving as I did so sadly I never got the opportunity to personally 'thank' the gentleman for testing the structural rigidity of my wife's car. He did look like he wanted to run away however when he spotted the big lump that I am barrelling down the pavement on foot and the police coming from the opposite direction!
Your wife is safe and at the end of the day that's what is most important. However, a guy shouting and swearing at a lone female, shows his true colours.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

173 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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James B said:
AyBee said:
James B said:
I have the Blackvue 400HD fitted to a few of our cars. And as of last night I am very glad indeed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrJq46G35I
I hope the camera footage hopes with the claim, but does your wife always drive that close to the car in front?
I would say that is relatively typical of her driving but she did get too close on the early part of the corner for my liking but only, she feels, because he slowed slightly as he went uphill. The cynic in me tells me that he was reeling her in with the full intention of performing an emergency stop. The footage certainly raised the Officers eyebrows!
The driver of the Fiat is clearly a total C**t. However from what I can see your wife is following too closely the whole time, right from the moment he cut her up at the traffic lights, which is what might have aggravated him into do this 'brake test'.


Edited by VolvoT5 on Wednesday 13th August 15:59

PaulD86

1,651 posts

125 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Fiat driver is a total idiot for doing the brake test. Clever of him to lie to the police when it was on film too! I know the GPS speed doesn't seem to be accurate here, but would your wife being an indicated 8mph over the 30mph limit immediately before the accident not also be of interest to the police? All in all a rather unfortunate situation I'd say. Hope the outcome is pain free.

triple5

751 posts

144 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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James, having been in exactly the same position as your wife I can only sympathise. I now have cameras fitted in all our cars. As a result I now drive more defensively and a lot more aware of potential incidents.

In my case I lost my no claims, my pride, and found the whole incident very upsetting, your wife is Ok which is the main thing.

It will be interesting to see how you get on with the camera evidence. It’s very good advice to try and keep within the view of the camera after the incident, not forgetting to leave your engine running, otherwise the camera will switch off.

James B

1,300 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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PaulD86 said:
Fiat driver is a total idiot for doing the brake test. Clever of him to lie to the police when it was on film too! I know the GPS speed doesn't seem to be accurate here, but would your wife being an indicated 8mph over the 30mph limit immediately before the accident not also be of interest to the police? All in all a rather unfortunate situation I'd say. Hope the outcome is pain free.
Paul,

Yes, I think the general consensus is that the Fiat driver was a complete A-hole. The Police didn't seem overly concerned about the speed as it's a non-calibrated device and is clearly inaccurate/suffering lag.

We hope to hear today on the insurance outcome.

James B

1,300 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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triple5 said:
James, having been in exactly the same position as your wife I can only sympathise. I now have cameras fitted in all our cars. As a result I now drive more defensively and a lot more aware of potential incidents.

In my case I lost my no claims, my pride, and found the whole incident very upsetting, your wife is Ok which is the main thing.

It will be interesting to see how you get on with the camera evidence. It’s very good advice to try and keep within the view of the camera after the incident, not forgetting to leave your engine running, otherwise the camera will switch off.
Yes, it's a shocker. Since posting this video I must have been contacted by 15 people who range from friends to colleagues to complete randoms all asking where I got the camera and who can fit one locally in Aberdeen so clearly there is a fear of this type of situation ocurring.

Actually, the Blackvue doesn't stop recording like that. On sensing an incident mine is set to continue for 3 mins even if the inginition is switched off. One of the Blackvue's features is that it's on a permanent live so if the car is hit while parked, the camera remembers the last 30 secs and then records for a further 3 mins.

James B

1,300 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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triple5 said:
James, having been in exactly the same position as your wife I can only sympathise. I now have cameras fitted in all our cars. As a result I now drive more defensively and a lot more aware of potential incidents.

In my case I lost my no claims, my pride, and found the whole incident very upsetting, your wife is Ok which is the main thing.

It will be interesting to see how you get on with the camera evidence. It’s very good advice to try and keep within the view of the camera after the incident, not forgetting to leave your engine running, otherwise the camera will switch off.
Nice Aston btw. My father has a V12V in the same colour! He has the wifi version of Blackvue in his car as he's just completed a 4k mile Euro trip along a number of the famous passes and wanted footage of the lot!

PaulD86

1,651 posts

125 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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James B said:
Paul,

Yes, I think the general consensus is that the Fiat driver was a complete A-hole. The Police didn't seem overly concerned about the speed as it's a non-calibrated device and is clearly inaccurate/suffering lag.

We hope to hear today on the insurance outcome.
Ok, I just asked as I had always wondered what their reaction would be to evidence that sort of self incriminates - as you say, not calibrated but still the suggestion of speeding is there and we know how excited the police get about that. Hope all goes well with insurance outcome. smile

nickofh

603 posts

117 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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triple5 said:
James, having been in exactly the same position as your wife I can only sympathise. I now have cameras fitted in all our cars. As a result I now drive more defensively and a lot more aware of potential incidents.

In my case I lost my no claims, my pride, and found the whole incident very upsetting, your wife is Ok which is the main thing.

It will be interesting to see how you get on with the camera evidence. It’s very good advice to try and keep within the view of the camera after the incident, not forgetting to leave your engine running, otherwise the camera will switch off.
I too hope it gets sorted quickly and IMO clearly the fiat driver stopping for no reason. The sooner people like this cant profit from this behaviour the better!

Just a thought though , I would worry a little bit about leaving the engine running if you get out of the car though , you could find that it was done do get their hands on your car and keys. On my cheapo dash cam you can change the settings for it to run off battery power for a while which might help.

Good Luck !

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I have learned that it is just best to try and avoid these people altogether.

Once you realise that some people's morals, way of thinking etc. is so out of kilter with the way you view the world and people, it really isn't worth getting upset and/or playing their game - just give them a wide berth and avoid if possible.

LP670

819 posts

125 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Im looking at going for a mobius, can anyone recommend which lens to go with (standard or wide angle)?

DrDoofenshmirtz

15,186 posts

199 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Mr Trophy said:
askew said:
I would hope that it wasn't mentioned: the perfect way for the other driver to incriminate himself (herself?) was to bullst.
I have one in my car, maybe it's just me, but I would be going fking bananas and breaking it to the driver that the whole thing was caught on camera and await for the Police to arrive.
Well, that wouldn't be very cleaver when you think about it.
You wait for them to make a statement and give their side of the story before dropping the dash cam bomb, assuming they fked up of course. Hopefully they will lie which could help you out a lot.

crolandc

290 posts

195 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Good luck James, he should get done for dangerous driving in my opinion.

My Evil Twin

457 posts

132 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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LP670 said:
Im looking at going for a mobius, can anyone recommend which lens to go with (standard or wide angle)?
just ordered a Mobius from JooVuu last night with a wide angle lens and 8" lens extension cable to replace my old n bulky one...
Wider lens the better IMHO for a dash cam.. see's more of what happening around you.

Shnozz

27,422 posts

270 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Well my 0803 or 0801 or whatever it is has been used for about 6 hours in total and the menu button using the "up" switch no longer works to access the menu. It switches the microphone on and off so functions, but wont let me access the menu to set functions or the date/time.

Unimpressed. Shame as it records clearly.

Aprisa

1,798 posts

257 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I have 5 0803's and am getting increasingly fed up with errors.
Can anyone tell me why they start to emit sounds like you get with an incorrect key stroke in windows every couple of minutes?
Also I have had three occasions when three different cameras have started to click incessantly and the keys all go dead, all it says in the manual is a long press on the power switch! this does not work and you have to leave the battery to go flat and re-start?
Anyone any ideas?
Nick

Gareth79

7,628 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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markmullen said:
It'll depend on the sampling rate for the GPS chip, IIRC satnavs work at about 1Hz, that is they record the location every second, then compare that record with the last recorded position and from there work out your speed. Racelogic boxes work on 10Hz, that is the location compared 10 times a second, so are a lot more accurate. At 1Hz you will have a lag as the GPS is unable to calculate your speed as fast as it changes.
AFAIK all modern GPS systems (under 10 years old) calculate speed using doppler shift of carrier frequency (which I believe already has to be calculated), so it is very accurate. The 1/10 Hz might be referring to just the smoothing applied, and probably the frequency of the data output from the device.