RE: SOTW: Range Rover LSE

RE: SOTW: Range Rover LSE

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rejn

1,991 posts

221 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Just to interrupt the handling debate, I'd like to commiserate myself on my pathetic attempts to buy a car on Ebay. I had it until 6 seconds to go, then was out-manoeuvred by some professional buyers. Ended up losing the car by £40 (it went for £1,396 in the end).

Lesson learnt. Always put in your top bid on ebay, even when it looks like you've got it won...

No Range Rover for me just yet frown

rejn said:
I quite fancy this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251154912789?ssPageName=...

Am I mad? Currently highest bid of £1060 - auction finishes later today...

_Batty_

12,268 posts

249 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Surely they won't let it go for that?!?

ITech

111 posts

153 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Someone got a genuine bargain there by the sound of it. I've seen much worse, with double the mileage and 10 owners sell for over £3k.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
Personally don't really see the appeal of the Tdi lump in these. Don't get me wrong I like Tdi's (on my 3rd currently...) but the reality is, they are crude, noisy and not very powerful. And despite all that they aren't even great on fuel. 24-28mpg and a lot less if you really drive them or mod them (my Disco did 19-22mpg).

And having had (well parents did, but I drove it a lot) a 2.5VM Turbo RR, the Tdi is massively out gunned and seriously lacks performance. Air Con also truly kills a Tdi, they just don't have the balls to handle the additional loss.


That said, if you really want a Tdi RR, just buy any tidy V8 one and convert it to a Tdi. It's a pretty easy job. Even if you paid someone else to do it you should be looking at something like £800-1000 for the conversion plus money back when you sell the RV8.
The 200 and 300 Tdis in the Soft Dashs can be tuned to make them a bit more acceptable( more a fast walking pace instead of crawling). I really do love the RRC I've had 2 myself but just found the V8s very thirsty and not really much faster than the Tdi, that said they wern't mint ones by any means and there had more than likely been a bit of neglect from previous owners.

One thing that I didn't like about the V8s was how much they hated water when off roading, I found out about waterproofing the Dizzy on my first trip green laning!!.

I've driven but not owned a 300 Tdi and managed to get about 30 MPG out of it, although it was a manual, understand what you mean about them not being great engines either, just for me I prefer them to the V8.

I wonder if an RRC TDV8 conversion would be possible? biggrin.

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Walter Sobchak said:
I wonder if an RRC TDV8 conversion would be possible? biggrin.
Management system issues are a big hurdle. And then the issue of running via a dumb 4 or 5 speed box. But a PHer has been looking seriously at this.

However, the reality is that other manufacturer's units are easier to fit and run.

Wolands Advocate

2,493 posts

215 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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At the other end of the LSE spectrum, I happened across this:

http://graemehunt.com/motorcar/105/1992-range-rove...

Ok, it's an Overfinch, but the price is, for want of a better word, jaw-dropping...

Trommel

18,988 posts

258 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Wolands Advocate said:
the price is, for want of a better word, jaw-dropping...
Vendor has form.

CDP

7,454 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Trommel said:
Vendor has form.
After this the bits of lower jaw bone will have to be picked up from the floor:

http://graemehunt.com/motorcar/134/1970-land-rover...

I like it but not at that kind of money. I think it's been on sale for a while too.

DonkeyApple

54,923 posts

168 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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Trommel said:
Vendor has form.
Luckily wink

K50 DEL

9,227 posts

227 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Wolands Advocate said:
At the other end of the LSE spectrum, I happened across this:

http://graemehunt.com/motorcar/105/1992-range-rove...

Ok, it's an Overfinch, but the price is, for want of a better word, jaw-dropping...
Is it wrong that the first thing I noticed is that it has 3 extra switches on the dash compared to my 1992!

Jaw-dropping isn't the word on the price, you'd have to be utterly looney tunes to pay 45 large for a classic, no matter how nice it is (and I will agree it is lovely)

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Walter Sobchak said:
I wonder if an RRC TDV8 conversion would be possible? biggrin.
Management system issues are a big hurdle. And then the issue of running via a dumb 4 or 5 speed box. But a PHer has been looking seriously at this.

However, the reality is that other manufacturer's units are easier to fit and run.
Had it not been done? I'm sure someone has put a TDV8 into a 110 already, it'd be no different in principle for an RRC.

But I agree, it'd be a lot of expense for little real world gain.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Walter Sobchak said:
The 200 and 300 Tdis in the Soft Dashs can be tuned to make them a bit more acceptable( more a fast walking pace instead of crawling).
They certainly can yes yes

All of my Tdi's have been tweaked and it makes a massive improvement to performance, but it does affect mpg if you use the performance and runs higher EGT's.

Walter Sobchak said:
I really do love the RRC I've had 2 myself but just found the V8s very thirsty and not really much faster than the Tdi, that said they wern't mint ones by any means and there had more than likely been a bit of neglect from previous owners.
It's the auto box that blunts the performance more than anything, that and the stock feel of an RV8. A manual fuel injected 3.9 is really quite lively, the auto less so. But to compare you need to drive an stock auto Tdi RR, they are truly slow. But the stock RV8 is a bit wheezy really and doesn't rev well, a few mods and it transforms how they feel.

Walter Sobchak said:
One thing that I didn't like about the V8s was how much they hated water when off roading, I found out about waterproofing the Dizzy on my first trip green laning!!.
It is an issue, but a solvable one.

Walter Sobchak said:
I've driven but not owned a 300 Tdi and managed to get about 30 MPG out of it, although it was a manual, understand what you mean about them not being great engines either, just for me I prefer them to the V8.
30mpg is possible, but only for longer journeys and if you drive sensible. In fact you might if you are really good see highs of 32-33mpg, but that's only attainable under very specific conditions. For most people most of the time mid to high 20's is far more likely.

As I say I'm not a Tdi hater, quite the opposite. smile

Hellbound

2,500 posts

175 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Walter Sobchak said:
I WANT another RRC, would I buy this one?, no, as much as I love the old V8 rumble their just simply too thirsty and not greatly reliable.

A nice factory 300 Tdi preferably rust free and with leather+A/C would be what I would spend my money on, sadly they very rarely come up, there is one on Autotrader but there's no way he's going to sell it at £8k, £5k though and I would seriously consider it.
Here you go Walter, go grab yourself a bargain and fit the leather etc yourself. You could probably get this for under £2.5k.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C335638

Merry Christmas.

CDP

7,454 posts

253 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Hellbound said:
Here you go Walter, go grab yourself a bargain and fit the leather etc yourself. You could probably get this for under £2.5k.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C335638

Merry Christmas.
Personally I wouldn't bother with the leather as the cloth looks so good but it's a lot easier to swap seats than an engine.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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CDP said:
Personally I wouldn't bother with the leather as the cloth looks so good but it's a lot easier to swap seats than an engine.
Engine is pretty easy too.

GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Here's the BEST reason ever not to be seen in an old RR ....

http://uk.autoblog.com/2012/01/16/jimmy-savilles-r...



It's the Kiddy-Fiddler's vehicle of choice ...



Edited by GranCab on Wednesday 3rd October 14:19

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Hellbound said:
Here you go Walter, go grab yourself a bargain and fit the leather etc yourself. You could probably get this for under £2.5k.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C335638

Merry Christmas.
Thanks!!, think I might have just found my new daily driver!!, only problem is getting up to look at it, Leather would be nice but I would be more than happy with the interior it has already.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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300bhp/ton said:
30mpg is possible, but only for longer journeys and if you drive sensible. In fact you might if you are really good see highs of 32-33mpg, but that's only attainable under very specific conditions. For most people most of the time mid to high 20's is far more likely.

As I say I'm not a Tdi hater, quite the opposite. smile
I wouldn't mind trying a manual 3.9, both mine were Autos and one was north of 200k on the clock and a bit knackered, that late 300Tdi in car and classic is looking very tempting though.

Wolands Advocate

2,493 posts

215 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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My father got a manual 3.9 Vogue SE in circa 1991/2 as a company car. I was too young to drive it at the time, but I do remember him opining that the gearchange was agricultural and made the whole experience rather too much like driving a truck. He chopped it in for an automatic LSE as soon as he could.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Wolands Advocate said:
My father got a manual 3.9 Vogue SE in circa 1991/2 as a company car. I was too young to drive it at the time, but I do remember him opining that the gearchange was agricultural and made the whole experience rather too much like driving a truck. He chopped it in for an automatic LSE as soon as he could.
But it is a truck?? confused

The LT-77 has been used in many cars including TVR's and MG's.