RE: Spotted: Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
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RWD cossie wil said:
I think you have missed the point my old china 
. Nice sleeper though, always wanted a TT converted XR, but I can't concur on it being faster...
Rare car these days. IIRC, the old Cologne really didn't respond well to any form of tuning - forced induction included. With very small turbos and set up with cams to deliver torque at the bottom end, it could have been a nice lazy drive with tons of low-end shove. A great complement to the RS500 which does knack all below four grand... . Nice sleeper though, always wanted a TT converted XR, but I can't concur on it being faster...RWD cossie wil said:
tali1 said:
Here's a Sierra that's faster and more exclusive ( as well as more practical)-okay won't be as "investmenty" as RS500- and without the crazy price
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
I think you have missed the point my old china http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
. Nice sleeper though, always wanted a TT converted XR, but I can't concur on it being faster...It's kind of ironic that the value in an RS500 is in it's originality and low mileage, meaning that if they're used as intended they drop like a stone. Unless you like standing in a field next to it at car shows, I really fail to see the point
Roop said:
Rare car these days. IIRC, the old Cologne really didn't respond well to any form of tuning - forced induction included. With very small turbos and set up with cams to deliver torque at the bottom end, it could have been a nice lazy drive with tons of low-end shove. A great complement to the RS500 which does knack all below four grand...
It's those horrible siamesed exhaust ports that kill any tuning potential.... I believe Mike Costin (one half of the original Cosworth partnership) referred to it as the "boat anchor"...280ish BHP is about what the TT conversions were reported to make, similar to a stage 1 tune for the Cossies.
RWD cossie wil said:
Roop said:
Rare car these days. IIRC, the old Cologne really didn't respond well to any form of tuning - forced induction included. With very small turbos and set up with cams to deliver torque at the bottom end, it could have been a nice lazy drive with tons of low-end shove. A great complement to the RS500 which does knack all below four grand...
It's those horrible siamesed exhaust ports that kill any tuning potential.... I believe Mike Costin (one half of the original Cosworth partnership) referred to it as the "boat anchor"...280ish BHP is about what the TT conversions were reported to make, similar to a stage 1 tune for the Cossies.
The single turbo TT kit for the capri made 230 hp with the 2.8 engine, i'm sure the 2.9 is good for a lot more
OllieC said:
I think it is only the 2.8 that has the stupid siamese ports, the 2.9 doesn't...
The single turbo TT kit for the capri made 230 hp with the 2.8 engine, i'm sure the 2.9 is good for a lot more
The standard single turbo TT kit made 200 bhp, I fitted one to my 2.8 injection Capri and it flew with better torque than a Cosworth, standard boost was around 6lbs but I ran mine nearer to 10 lbs. fitted with Escort GP1 Bilsteins, double width anti dive kit and much stiffer sprung it handled too. A friend of mine that worked for Ford drove an XR4x4 with the twin turbo setup and he said it was a big let down. I remember you could buy a TT converted capri through Ford dealers.The single turbo TT kit for the capri made 230 hp with the 2.8 engine, i'm sure the 2.9 is good for a lot more
OllieC said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Roop said:
Rare car these days. IIRC, the old Cologne really didn't respond well to any form of tuning - forced induction included. With very small turbos and set up with cams to deliver torque at the bottom end, it could have been a nice lazy drive with tons of low-end shove. A great complement to the RS500 which does knack all below four grand...
It's those horrible siamesed exhaust ports that kill any tuning potential.... I believe Mike Costin (one half of the original Cosworth partnership) referred to it as the "boat anchor"...280ish BHP is about what the TT conversions were reported to make, similar to a stage 1 tune for the Cossies.
The single turbo TT kit for the capri made 230 hp with the 2.8 engine, i'm sure the 2.9 is good for a lot more
The TT kits came in a variety of 'tunes' - 200/230 single turbo and 250/280 twin turbo culminating in the 320bhp Minker.
Janspeed also did similar
My dad had a Turbo Tech' XR4x4 2.8 before getting our first Cosworth (3 door) and the xr4x4 always felt a bit quicker due to less lag and the big V6. So yes a TT Xr4x4 felt quicker than a standard Sierra cosworth but as soon as you turned the boost up on the Cosworth it was a different story!
CampDavid said:
RWD cossie wil said:
tali1 said:
Here's a Sierra that's faster and more exclusive ( as well as more practical)-okay won't be as "investmenty" as RS500- and without the crazy price
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
I think you have missed the point my old china http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
. Nice sleeper though, always wanted a TT converted XR, but I can't concur on it being faster...It's kind of ironic that the value in an RS500 is in it's originality and low mileage, meaning that if they're used as intended they drop like a stone. Unless you like standing in a field next to it at car shows, I really fail to see the point
Like any old cars, plenty of owners will keep theirs just for dry use/summer usage
Another interesting Cosworth was up for sale on ebay recently, this time an Escort from the RS Bonkers collection.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-Ford-Escort-RS-Cosw...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-Ford-Escort-RS-Cosw...
RWD cossie wil said:
tali1 said:
Here's a Sierra that's faster and more exclusive ( as well as more practical)-okay won't be as "investmenty" as RS500- and without the crazy price
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
I think you have missed the point my old china http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-FORD-SIERRA-2-9-4X4...
. Nice sleeper though, always wanted a TT converted XR, but I can't concur on it being faster...20 years ago local to me was Janspeed XR4i TT - RAJ989 - haven't seen anything take off that quick in my life -it just glided away in a few seconds.
tali1 said:
0-100 in 14 secs iirc - whereas RS500 was 16 ?
20 years ago local to me was Janspeed XR4i TT - RAJ989 - haven't seen anything take off that quick in my life -it just glided away in a few seconds.
Ah but you are comparing a tuned car to a standard one, Cosworths are born to be modified. A simple stage 3 conversion would see over 350Bhp & similar torque without breaking a sweat!20 years ago local to me was Janspeed XR4i TT - RAJ989 - haven't seen anything take off that quick in my life -it just glided away in a few seconds.
I think 3door sierra cosworths are undervalued compared to the rs500. The rs500 is rarer but not that much different and commands a good premium.
A sierra cosworth will always be around the same value as an e30 m3 or integrale as theyre cars of that generation and sought after amongst people of a certain age.
You cant get a good 3door cosworth under £15k now, youd have got one for £10k 5 years ago so they do seem to be going up in value.
Escort cosworths are also nice but are not rare enough to rise as much as the sierra imho.
A sierra cosworth will always be around the same value as an e30 m3 or integrale as theyre cars of that generation and sought after amongst people of a certain age.
You cant get a good 3door cosworth under £15k now, youd have got one for £10k 5 years ago so they do seem to be going up in value.
Escort cosworths are also nice but are not rare enough to rise as much as the sierra imho.
Not sure I agree on that. Whilst the RS 500 may not be much different from the normal 3 door cosworth, they are now very sought after by enthusiasts and collectors. I see fewer for sale now than at any time in the last few years. Due to their rarity and being the ultimate RS cosworth the price premium for an RS500 above the normal 3 door will continue to grow. Those that can afford it will buy the best RS500 they can and future price rises of these cars will outstrip the standard 3 door. It will still help 3 door prices rise but they won't go up as much.
Whilst the M3 and Integrale are all from the same era, i think you'll find that a good integrale evo 2 or M3 will cost much more than a standard 3 door cosworth.
I totally agree though that as people from that generation grow up and start getting nostalgic and increasingly in a position to buy these cars it will push prices higher, and as has been seen with many other cars, it is the limited editions (RS500 etc) and low mileage, full history cars that will outperform price wise.
Whilst the M3 and Integrale are all from the same era, i think you'll find that a good integrale evo 2 or M3 will cost much more than a standard 3 door cosworth.
I totally agree though that as people from that generation grow up and start getting nostalgic and increasingly in a position to buy these cars it will push prices higher, and as has been seen with many other cars, it is the limited editions (RS500 etc) and low mileage, full history cars that will outperform price wise.
jonah35 said:
I think 3door sierra cosworths are undervalued compared to the rs500. The rs500 is rarer but not that much different and commands a good premium.
A sierra cosworth will always be around the same value as an e30 m3 or integrale as theyre cars of that generation and sought after amongst people of a certain age.
You cant get a good 3door cosworth under £15k now, youd have got one for £10k 5 years ago so they do seem to be going up in value.
Escort cosworths are also nice but are not rare enough to rise as much as the sierra imho.
A sierra cosworth will always be around the same value as an e30 m3 or integrale as theyre cars of that generation and sought after amongst people of a certain age.
You cant get a good 3door cosworth under £15k now, youd have got one for £10k 5 years ago so they do seem to be going up in value.
Escort cosworths are also nice but are not rare enough to rise as much as the sierra imho.
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