RE: Spotted: Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
Discussion
Roop said:
Like any rare and collectible car, it's worth what someone will pay for it on any given day. This particular example is in lovely, original condition with low mileage and also has the kudos of being in the rarest colour and being number 499. 65k dreamland...? I don't think so. It's solid money, but someone will buy it at this price.
As for comparisons with other cars, this is futile in the majority of cases, save for perhaps equiavlent metal.
How much do you have to pay for a 23'000 mile, mint and original E30 M3 Sport Evo (of which there were 600 made)...?
How much do you have to pay for a 23'000 mile, mint and original 190E EvoII (of which there were 502 made)...?
The Sierra RS Cosworth was possibly the definitive working man's performance car of the 1980s, the RS500 was the ultimate version of this car, as such there's great love for a "Blue Oval" that would keep many Ferraris honest to 150mph. Tinker with an RS500 and there's enormous power and equally enormous torque available in a car that weighs 1200kg. There's something incredibly satisfying about annihilating modern "quick" cars in a 25 year old jelly mould, but that's hardly a like-with-like comparison...
The RS500 was not built because Ford wanted to build them. I'm sure they would have rather not had to bother - half the reason they farmed out thebutchery conversion to Aston Martin Tickford. The fact that the touring car regulations insisted on them selling 500 road going examples means that they are a very special car - One that was not built to sell in volume, not built as a halo model (arguably that was the RS Cosworth, but even that was a homologation special in it's own right). Equally, the RS500 was not built to counter a rival's product or fill a market niche. The RS500 was built for absolutely no other reason than to allow Ford to wipe the floor with the competition in Gp.A, which they did quite convincingly.
100% motorsport based pedigree. Incredible success on circuits all over the World. Rare. It might have been a homologation special Porsche or Ferrari, but sadly it's got the wrong badge and looks like a Sierra. That's why we are here discussing why it's 65k worth and not why it's only 65k worth...
Yep, and nobody has paid it, so clearly it's not worth it. As for comparisons with other cars, this is futile in the majority of cases, save for perhaps equiavlent metal.
How much do you have to pay for a 23'000 mile, mint and original E30 M3 Sport Evo (of which there were 600 made)...?
How much do you have to pay for a 23'000 mile, mint and original 190E EvoII (of which there were 502 made)...?
The Sierra RS Cosworth was possibly the definitive working man's performance car of the 1980s, the RS500 was the ultimate version of this car, as such there's great love for a "Blue Oval" that would keep many Ferraris honest to 150mph. Tinker with an RS500 and there's enormous power and equally enormous torque available in a car that weighs 1200kg. There's something incredibly satisfying about annihilating modern "quick" cars in a 25 year old jelly mould, but that's hardly a like-with-like comparison...
The RS500 was not built because Ford wanted to build them. I'm sure they would have rather not had to bother - half the reason they farmed out the
100% motorsport based pedigree. Incredible success on circuits all over the World. Rare. It might have been a homologation special Porsche or Ferrari, but sadly it's got the wrong badge and looks like a Sierra. That's why we are here discussing why it's 65k worth and not why it's only 65k worth...
Tickford Tat, it's just an old Sierra, there really isn't that much special about them. Its not 100% motorsport based is it, it's 90% family saloon with about 10% motosport add-ons, they didn't change that much about it, or it would never have passed the regs.
And the reason it looks like an old Sierra is because it is....an old Ford Sierra and so it has the right badge and the boot is full of dilusion.
I don't believe the story of being offered 62K for it but turning it down. Imo it seems a case of pricing high to get publicity - just like the 1 Million pound number plate the other week.
bencollins said:
ford buffs look away now
http://www.zatzy.com/media/361139-cosworth-graveya...
What a complete waste!! There's an Escort Cossie Monte Carlo there too http://www.zatzy.com/media/361139-cosworth-graveya...
Beanoir said:
Yep, and nobody has paid it, so clearly it's not worth it.
But they will... Cars no where near as good as this have changed hands at £50k Personally, no interest in it at even £15k.
I sold my 3dr Cosworth for £25k.... after sinking well over £50k into it! I wouldn't ever want another!
Beanoir said:
Yep, and nobody has paid it, so clearly it's not worth it.
Tickford Tat, it's just an old Sierra, there really isn't that much special about them. Its not 100% motorsport based is it, it's 90% family saloon with about 10% motosport add-ons, they didn't change that much about it, or it would never have passed the regs.
And the reason it looks like an old Sierra is because it is....an old Ford Sierra and so it has the right badge and the boot is full of dilusion.
It won rather a lot for an "old Sierra" with "not that much special about it" though, didn't it, especially as a fire breathing 550 bhp British Touring Car. It also beat the mighty V8s at Bathurst.Tickford Tat, it's just an old Sierra, there really isn't that much special about them. Its not 100% motorsport based is it, it's 90% family saloon with about 10% motosport add-ons, they didn't change that much about it, or it would never have passed the regs.
And the reason it looks like an old Sierra is because it is....an old Ford Sierra and so it has the right badge and the boot is full of dilusion.
There really aren't many delusional piles of tat with a competition history like this.
'Mind you, you'd want to make the (apparently easy) mods to up the power to 400bhp'
Are those the mods that used to equip every other cossie I used to be behind 10 years ago with the 'three shades of sh*t' smoke out of the exhaust? Big puff of blue as he changed down (plenty of warning), vast clouds of grey soot from the overfueling on boost during the overtake and then the final clouds of blue during lift off and braking up behind the next car...
Still would love a moonstone 3 door though...
Ben
Are those the mods that used to equip every other cossie I used to be behind 10 years ago with the 'three shades of sh*t' smoke out of the exhaust? Big puff of blue as he changed down (plenty of warning), vast clouds of grey soot from the overfueling on boost during the overtake and then the final clouds of blue during lift off and braking up behind the next car...
Still would love a moonstone 3 door though...
Ben
People really can't seem to get their heads around this sort of stuff. There will be someone out there who spent his earlier years glued to the telly watching similar cars to the RS500, the 190E EvoII, and the E30 M3 SE battling around European race tracks, and that nostalgia drives the demand
Yes, they could drop down to their local BMW showroom and buy a new M5 for not much more money, but they've probably already got one of those or something very similar. They may also already have an Integrale, and a 993 Turbo, and a Ferrari 360CS, now they want one of these. It may just be an old Sierra, but it's pretty rare and one with history, and to the right person at the right time it probably will be worth that money
And try buying something like a Lancia 037 for anywhere near that sort of price
Yes, they could drop down to their local BMW showroom and buy a new M5 for not much more money, but they've probably already got one of those or something very similar. They may also already have an Integrale, and a 993 Turbo, and a Ferrari 360CS, now they want one of these. It may just be an old Sierra, but it's pretty rare and one with history, and to the right person at the right time it probably will be worth that money
And try buying something like a Lancia 037 for anywhere near that sort of price
Gixer_fan said:
Compared to paying £100,000+ for a bit of perspex with a couple of random figures (re. numberplate item a couple of weeks back), this looks like excellent value.
Mind you, you'd want to make the (apparently easy) mods to up the power to 400bhp.
At least the number plate would get plenty of use and would aslo appreciate in value Mind you, you'd want to make the (apparently easy) mods to up the power to 400bhp.
Dave Hedgehog said:
lovely car but you could probably pick up an ex tourer 500bhp jobbie for 65k
Really? I've not really looked at ex-TC Cosworths, but E30 M3 equivalents from the likes of Dutch Touring Car seem to be well north of £100k from what I've seenEdited by Leins on Tuesday 2nd October 14:24
spiritof'76 said:
4.46 - Built rather well too!! I thought that was going to end in a pile of plastic.ETA: 'NICE ONE MIKE'
Edited by Steamer on Tuesday 2nd October 14:25
Limpet said:
It won rather a lot for an "old Sierra" with "not that much special about it" though, didn't it, especially as a fire breathing 550 bhp British Touring Car. It also beat the mighty V8s at Bathurst.
There really aren't many delusional piles of tat with a competition history like this.
Yes but this isn't that car is it, it's just a pretend version made for the road, you can't compare the two, this is where I think people believe they are buying a rally/touring car legend in cars like this, when you're really not. There really aren't many delusional piles of tat with a competition history like this.
a black RS500 was advertised about 6 months ago by the 2nd owner in the london area,hpi clear he had owned it 22 years, think it done around 63k, sold after a few weeks, i dont see this car worth more than 30k and i am a big fan of them. if i had the money i would be interested,but i have not. i am still looking for a black XR3 or caspian blue XR3I, or Escort RS turbo mk3,the all white version
TheProfessor said:
Isn't there a guy, possibly been mentioned on here before who has a cracking collection of Cosworth's, some with significantly lower mileages than this one??
Or I may have stumbled across an article in one of the Blue Oval specialist magazines within the last couple of years??
This one? http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=52&i=2396...Or I may have stumbled across an article in one of the Blue Oval specialist magazines within the last couple of years??
Roop said:
As for comparisons with other cars, this is futile in the majority of cases, save for perhaps equiavlent metal.
If this was in response to my 944 turbo comment the limited edition 944 turbo S was sold in 1988, whilst there were more than 500 I haven't seen any offered for over £20k. £65k for a road going RS500 only makes sense if money is no object or you have an interest in selling one.Sorry but I'm sure that white is the least surviving colour.
I sold my RS500 to a young guy in Malta which has the highest number of RS500's per unit area (6 iirc) on an island with hardly any fast roads.
Mine had done 20k from new (yes, really) IMHO thus is overpriced.
But all it takes is an Owners Club registrar to say "oh yes, I agree the valuation at £xx,xxx and voilá; everyone thinks their car is worth it.
Not dissimilar to the Great Insurance Swindle (think of a number and double it).
I sold my RS500 to a young guy in Malta which has the highest number of RS500's per unit area (6 iirc) on an island with hardly any fast roads.
Mine had done 20k from new (yes, really) IMHO thus is overpriced.
But all it takes is an Owners Club registrar to say "oh yes, I agree the valuation at £xx,xxx and voilá; everyone thinks their car is worth it.
Not dissimilar to the Great Insurance Swindle (think of a number and double it).
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