RE: Ian Callum talks F-Type coupe

RE: Ian Callum talks F-Type coupe

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gf15

980 posts

265 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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A new BMW 650 weighs 1850 Kgs and has plastic (sorry, composite) wings and boot and is made of aluminium. Therefore, anything that weighs less, looks as good as the F type and has north of 400 bhp has got to be good news. The new 650 costs £72k in basic sport form.
Now the dodgy bit;
Can I have an auto version?
I hope it depreciates like the 650!
In 2016, Would anybody be interested in a 2005 BM 650 in blue (auto) with 160k+ miles?




scratchchin

TheDoggingFather

17,089 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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May I just say, fap.



Fap.





Fap fap.






Fap fap fap fap fap fap fap...

I like.

shoestring7

6,138 posts

245 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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MrTappets said:
Anyone who thinks that 80k is too much because a 320bhp Porsche launched in 2005 is 20k less is missing the point. The Jag is stunning, new and over 50% more powerful! And as for that Coupe... wow, that's all.
Excellent point.

But how about the all-new-for-2012 Porsche 315bhp Boxster that weighs 1425kgs and costs £35k less?

SS7

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

281 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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YES please, with the side opening rear hatch...

rockymount

145 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd October 2012
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shouldbenicholas said:
It looks awesome, of course. But I struggle to see any Jaguar in it!

I know we're all bored of other manufacturers making styling updates so lame we can't tell one model from another, but at least Porsche, Aston, Mercedes etc LOOK like the brand they are... At least there's a signature there, or a nod to a begotten hero.

Maybe I don't know Jag enough, can anyone find a pic of something that hints at this from the Jag archives?
Ian Callum's Advanced Lightweight Coupe Show Car of 2005 (the Pale Blue Car) was perhaps the first physical expression of the direction next generation Jaguar cars were taking (complete with lightweight aluminium body), and then there's a couple of styling cues for the F-Type showing up on the 2008 XK60, 2010 XKR-75 and 2011 XKR-S. Although admittedly they've done a complete makeover job on the rear end light cluster etc. - but that isn't a bad thing wink


THERE SORTED NOW wink

Edited by rockymount on Wednesday 3rd October 00:27

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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rockymount said:
I'm not trying to be a nob, but the XKR-S in that picture is a 12MY car, not a 2010 car.

rockymount

145 posts

162 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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MSTRBKR said:
rockymount said:
I'm not trying to be a nob, but the XKR-S in that picture is a 12MY car, not a 2010 car.
Opp's you're quite right MSTRBKR, I'm the nob banghead !!! the Black Jag with the White Stripe is the 2010 XKR 75 and the Royal Blue Jag is a 2011 XKR-S. That'll teach me to try photoshopping four different pics together around midnight getmecoat
I'll make sure I sort it rolleyes

Edited by rockymount on Wednesday 3rd October 00:37

Oz83

683 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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rockymount said:
shouldbenicholas said:
It looks awesome, of course. But I struggle to see any Jaguar in it!

I know we're all bored of other manufacturers making styling updates so lame we can't tell one model from another, but at least Porsche, Aston, Mercedes etc LOOK like the brand they are... At least there's a signature there, or a nod to a begotten hero.

Maybe I don't know Jag enough, can anyone find a pic of something that hints at this from the Jag archives?
Ian Callum's Advanced Lightweight Coupe Show Car of 2005 (the Pale Blue Car) was perhaps the first physical expression of the direction next generation Jaguar cars were taking (complete with lightweight aluminium body), and then there's a couple of styling cues for the F-Type showing up on the 2008 XK60, 2010 XKR-75 and 2011 XKR-S. Although admittedly they've done a complete makeover job on the rear end light cluster etc. - but that isn't a bad thing wink


THERE SORTED NOW wink

Edited by rockymount on Wednesday 3rd October 00:27
I totally agree, I just can't see enough Jag styling in this car, and the images posted confirm this for me. The headlights have gone a bit generic, the front bumper has two too many vents and gone is the trademark oval grille, featured on all the fantastic looking cars shown above, and many more before those (e-type included). Sure, the proportions are there, but IMO they have lost the elegance in this design. Who knows, maybe future Jags will be styled like this one, so we don't have to look at the badge to identify the marque.

I do think it's a good looking car, purposeful and aggressive, but I don't think the Jag branding has been carried through into this design very effectively.



morgrp

4,128 posts

197 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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As beautiful as this is - and it's IS very beautiful - I can't really see how it differs from the xk - it's one of the reasons I went of Aston Martin - all their cars look and perform essentially the same but with variable prices - surely you just compete with yourself? Would this not just kill off the xk like the db9 did to the vanquish?

DonkeyApple

54,781 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Oz83 said:
I totally agree, I just can't see enough Jag styling in this car, and the images posted confirm this for me. The headlights have gone a bit generic, the front bumper has two too many vents and gone is the trademark oval grille, featured on all the fantastic looking cars shown above, and many more before those (e-type included). Sure, the proportions are there, but IMO they have lost the elegance in this design. Who knows, maybe future Jags will be styled like this one, so we don't have to look at the badge to identify the marque.

I do think it's a good looking car, purposeful and aggressive, but I don't think the Jag branding has been carried through into this design very effectively.
I think if you were shown the car put of the blue there would be little clear indication as to who made it.

I wonder if this 'smaller' brand that the article alludes to is partly the reason? Build a 3/4 car lineup which has its own visual DNA deliberately to break away from the current?

Jag want a proper slice of the 'younger' buying market so maybe this total visual break from the big cars that have historically been associated with older people has been planned?

DonkeyApple

54,781 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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morgrp said:
As beautiful as this is - and it's IS very beautiful - I can't really see how it differs from the xk - it's one of the reasons I went of Aston Martin - all their cars look and perform essentially the same but with variable prices - surely you just compete with yourself? Would this not just kill off the xk like the db9 did to the vanquish?
I've assumed that this will allow the XK to go up the price ladder, firming margins etc?

Oz83

683 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
I think if you were shown the car put of the blue there would be little clear indication as to who made it.

I wonder if this 'smaller' brand that the article alludes to is partly the reason? Build a 3/4 car lineup which has its own visual DNA deliberately to break away from the current?

Jag want a proper slice of the 'younger' buying market so maybe this total visual break from the big cars that have historically been associated with older people has been planned?
I think you could be onto something there. Perhaps developing a psuedo-brand is one of the ways that Tata/Jaguar Landrover can attract a younger market, without looking to acquire another manufacturer. Maybe the fact that the F-type is is visually different will appeal to new, younger customers who don't currently identify with the traditional Jag brand image and values.

I think where Jaguar struggle is that they offer such a wide range of vehicles, from Saloons to high performance coupes, whereas their direct competitors for the F-Type only offer high performance sports cars. I think the current range is fantastic but reputation wise, I think the Jaguar brand is still recovering from the damage that Ford did back in the early 00's.

pagani1

683 posts

201 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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This Coupe is destined to be a huge success, and when the R version comes along we will all be panting. For now can we all appreciate that the first two models will be comfortable mass market cars to outsell Z4 Boxster SLK
and then they can gently introduce R and RS versions for us here at PistonHeads. This is a proven recipe, ask Ferrari and Audi (R8)and Lamborghini (Gallardo). Build the brand then expand the range...simples.
Thank whoever that it's made in England, will earn a fortune in export markets like the USA, then we can have a lightweight MiniMe as they push the F type upmarket and slot in the smaller lighter car, they could of course buy Lotus and do the job PDQ as I have told them but they're waiting for the bottom price on Lotus and that might take a year to finally reach. Meanwhile have a nice day. I am over the moon that we have a new small Jag Sports Car to stimulate the forum-who would have thought that 5 years ago???
Well Done Jaguar! Now put some in the Movies and light the blue touch paper, donate one to Jay Leno maybe?

Hellbound

2,500 posts

175 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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gf15 said:
A new BMW 650 weighs 1850 Kgs and has plastic (sorry, composite) wings and boot and is made of aluminium. Therefore, anything that weighs less, looks as good as the F type and has north of 400 bhp has got to be good news. The new 650 costs £72k in basic sport form.
Now the dodgy bit;
Can I have an auto version?
I hope it depreciates like the 650!
In 2016, Would anybody be interested in a 2005 BM 650 in blue (auto) with 160k+ miles?
scratchchin
Yes, but your BMW is a GT car. We're being told this is supposed to be a nimble sports car.

mph

2,316 posts

281 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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Oz83 said:
I think where Jaguar struggle is that they offer such a wide range of vehicles, from Saloons to high performance coupes, whereas their direct competitors for the F-Type only offer high performance sports cars. I think the current range is fantastic but reputation wise, I think the Jaguar brand is still recovering from the damage that Ford did back in the early 00's.
I didn't realise that Jaguar were struggling.

Which of their competitors exactly do you mean ? Is it BMW,Audi,Mercedes or Porsche ? They all offer saloons,coupes and 4x4's so it can't be.

Oz83

683 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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mph said:
I didn't realise that Jaguar were struggling.

Which of their competitors exactly do you mean ? Is it BMW,Audi,Mercedes or Porsche ? They all offer saloons,coupes and 4x4's so it can't be.
I didn't say Jaguar are struggling, I meant that Jaguar don't appeal to younger buyers, and need to, which is why they have styled the F-Type the way they have.

I'm unsure as to which BMW, Mercedes and Audi is a direct competitor to this?

The Z4 - not in the same price bracket.
SLK - erm? The SLK55 would be a formidable competitor but it's an AMG - now a pseudo-brand that's infinitely cooler than MB.
TT-RS - on paper yes, but really?

By competitors I meant the likes of Porsche and Aston Martin. Whilst Porsche do produce the Cayenne and Panamera (to great success), they are still perceived by and large as a sportscar manufacturer. At the moment both of these brands are seen as 'cooler' than Jaguar to young people, myself included (I'm 29).

kambites

67,442 posts

220 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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From what I've read about the stats, I'd say this competes more with the SL than the SLK.

whoami

13,151 posts

239 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
morgrp said:
As beautiful as this is - and it's IS very beautiful - I can't really see how it differs from the xk - it's one of the reasons I went of Aston Martin - all their cars look and perform essentially the same but with variable prices - surely you just compete with yourself? Would this not just kill off the xk like the db9 did to the vanquish?
I've assumed that this will allow the XK to go up the price ladder, firming margins etc?
They can't sell it without massive discounts at the current price though.

Oz83

683 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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kambites said:
From what I've read about the stats, I'd say this competes more with the SL than the SLK.
Maybe, but even the SL63 is 250kg heavier than the F-Type roadster. The the SL65 is 350kg heavier. I'm not sure on actual dimensions but they appear to be a whole lot bigger too.

DonkeyApple

54,781 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd October 2012
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whoami said:
DonkeyApple said:
morgrp said:
As beautiful as this is - and it's IS very beautiful - I can't really see how it differs from the xk - it's one of the reasons I went of Aston Martin - all their cars look and perform essentially the same but with variable prices - surely you just compete with yourself? Would this not just kill off the xk like the db9 did to the vanquish?
I've assumed that this will allow the XK to go up the price ladder, firming margins etc?
They can't sell it without massive discounts at the current price though.
In all markets?