Gas-guzzling sportscars to receive purchase tax up to £23K
Discussion
RX7 said:
Scrap the whole ved nonsense anyway, its an outdated system that is easily flouted. Put the extra duty onto fuel, those who use more, pay more, simples. No need to display a silly disc, employ 10's of thousands of people to send out millions of bits of paper, no need to police it, if your on the road driving youve paid, the cost savings would be astronomical! I wonder what it costs to run compared to revenue gained from ved?
CORRECT! I have been saying this for years. Why do the government listen to hair brained schemes when the truth (read - common sense) is staring them in the face.radio man said:
, oh no they can't do that they promissed.
Here is something convenient for you to write those politician's promises on:
The long term carbon dioxide reduction targets are so tight that they will always be able to justify crucifying the thirstiest 10%, you'll just get your wallet bummed for having a Twizy instead of a Sinclair C5.
What a mess the government have made of all this - power for the course! Did the half wits not realise all their low excise duties (road fund tax for the uninitiated!) for "eco friendly cars" would leave their coffers short? Wait for the revised duties on these: after they have told the EU to f..k off and stop trying to run us: no chance. We have all the bad EU rules, few of the good ones. We all know what government promises are like: remember the Tory promise, if elected, to reinstate a rolling date for old vehicles with a lower (maybe not nil) annual duty. The enthusiast has no representation - the cosy FBHVC seem to have done nothing to get their members to sign the recent online petition on this, but over 20,000 did so. Government excuse: cannot afford it......need money for overseas aid to keep corrupt governments in the style to which they have become accustomed and fight other peoples' wars. We also have to keep the lazy layabouts happy, as unless you have a really good job better to study the benefits you can claim - latest is get your house insulated free AND GET £200 CASH! Sickening. WE CANNOT AFFORD THESE GIFTS.
(If you wish to compare our treatment of licence costs for old vehicles with that of other countries, send an e-mail to FIVA in Belgium requesting a schedule: don't ask FBHVC for it...!)
(If you wish to compare our treatment of licence costs for old vehicles with that of other countries, send an e-mail to FIVA in Belgium requesting a schedule: don't ask FBHVC for it...!)
The problem being is that they run the risk of being a victim of their own success, again. The changes to VED were successful and now they are suffering a fall in revenue, the price of petrol has now lead to a drop in sales for the first time and so less revenue.
If this 'works' and we all buy ONLY eco vehicles for 20k and not something more emotive, fun and expensive - what's that going to do to tax revenue?
I'm a bit a of a hippy at heart and take issue with view that there is no link between climate change and CO2 emissions; however how taxing some one 27k for a weekend toy they do a couple of thousand miles a year in to subsidise some t
t who covers 20k a year in their prius is beyond me.
It would be a blunt, ineffective instrument and would hit the enthusiast motorist hardest. The the guy who works hared, saves hard so he can have a blast around on the odd weekend in his toy.
Raising fuel duty and abolishing car tax as stated by so many others on this thread would be the local way forward. Pay for your CO2 not your passion!
Found this petition with only 2 signatures, is there another one? Read there were two on this thread. This one is written ENTIRELY IN CAPITALS, so I suggest we find a more eloquently written one or start our own PH one.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39322
If this 'works' and we all buy ONLY eco vehicles for 20k and not something more emotive, fun and expensive - what's that going to do to tax revenue?
I'm a bit a of a hippy at heart and take issue with view that there is no link between climate change and CO2 emissions; however how taxing some one 27k for a weekend toy they do a couple of thousand miles a year in to subsidise some t
t who covers 20k a year in their prius is beyond me. It would be a blunt, ineffective instrument and would hit the enthusiast motorist hardest. The the guy who works hared, saves hard so he can have a blast around on the odd weekend in his toy.
Raising fuel duty and abolishing car tax as stated by so many others on this thread would be the local way forward. Pay for your CO2 not your passion!
Found this petition with only 2 signatures, is there another one? Read there were two on this thread. This one is written ENTIRELY IN CAPITALS, so I suggest we find a more eloquently written one or start our own PH one.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39322
OK, I can see where they are coming from, however I feel that there are two ends of this spectrum which should be considered. I think they should give the purchaser £50 for ever gram they are under the benchmark. Certainly would encourage more people to go out and buy a euro box that does more than 30MPG.
Thats my Two Pence, thanks for reading.
Mike
Thats my Two Pence, thanks for reading.
Mike
Paying tax on a car in advance is a flawed concept, meaning the first owner gets hit hard, and will hope to recoup something from the next owner.
But on the plus side, no more tax discs. Which might lead to an admission by the DfT that the antiquated concept of tax discs are only really used by traffic wardens nowadays, as an ANPR camera instantly tells coppers all they need to know.
The UK registration system is massively flawed / outdated anyhow in my opinion - I'm more of a fan of the German system - if you have plates for a car, it's registered, taxed & insured. No plates, it isn't.
But on the plus side, no more tax discs. Which might lead to an admission by the DfT that the antiquated concept of tax discs are only really used by traffic wardens nowadays, as an ANPR camera instantly tells coppers all they need to know.
The UK registration system is massively flawed / outdated anyhow in my opinion - I'm more of a fan of the German system - if you have plates for a car, it's registered, taxed & insured. No plates, it isn't.
P2BS said:
Paying tax on a car in advance is a flawed concept, meaning the first owner gets hit hard, and will hope to recoup something from the next owner.
But on the plus side, no more tax discs. Which might lead to an admission by the DfT that the antiquated concept of tax discs are only really used by traffic wardens nowadays, as an ANPR camera instantly tells coppers all they need to know.
The UK registration system is massively flawed / outdated anyhow in my opinion - I'm more of a fan of the German system - if you have plates for a car, it's registered, taxed & insured. No plates, it isn't.
What happens when any of those lapses, do the plates self destruct?But on the plus side, no more tax discs. Which might lead to an admission by the DfT that the antiquated concept of tax discs are only really used by traffic wardens nowadays, as an ANPR camera instantly tells coppers all they need to know.
The UK registration system is massively flawed / outdated anyhow in my opinion - I'm more of a fan of the German system - if you have plates for a car, it's registered, taxed & insured. No plates, it isn't.
Why do we stand for the massive level of taxation on the motorist?
Those of us that live outside a town have no choice as a means of getting about.
I never buy new cars (usually about 6 to 12 months old) and I can only think this will reduce the number of new cars purchased.
I like the idea of a vast reduction in the number of civil servants employed by the DVLA but if we must be taxed then put it on the fuel or leave it as it is.
Those of us that live outside a town have no choice as a means of getting about.
I never buy new cars (usually about 6 to 12 months old) and I can only think this will reduce the number of new cars purchased.
I like the idea of a vast reduction in the number of civil servants employed by the DVLA but if we must be taxed then put it on the fuel or leave it as it is.
y2blade said:
GavinPearson said:
This has made me livid......
Telegraph link
Why does the UK Government feel the need to tax people even more? The road fund license is already skewed to penalise 'thirsty' cars, which are already penalised because the bulk of fuel cost is tax, and the more fuel you buy the more you pay in tax. The only result is going to be Britain's luxury car industry losing sales - in turn making them volume uncompetitive and therefore shedding jobs.
Why has it made you livid? Telegraph link
Why does the UK Government feel the need to tax people even more? The road fund license is already skewed to penalise 'thirsty' cars, which are already penalised because the bulk of fuel cost is tax, and the more fuel you buy the more you pay in tax. The only result is going to be Britain's luxury car industry losing sales - in turn making them volume uncompetitive and therefore shedding jobs.
But different levels of VED based on a fuel consumption rating system heavily penalises people who like to own a nice car but choose to use it sparingly.
That's simply not fair.
Shifting all taxes onto fuel would result in a true pay as you use system that is already administered.
The more you use, the more you will pay.
This new system will heavily impact the sales of Jaguar & Land Rover - hardly good for British business I think.
The government needs to focus on cutting spending and creatng jobs, not raising revenue and stifling industry.
If we're talking fairness, I'd like to see all energy use taxed at the same rate per kg of CO2 (since that's what they claim it's all about). That's domestic power, industrial power and power for public transport. If buses and trains are so much more carbon efficient, transparent carbon pricing won't hurt them and they don't need or deserve a fuel duty rebate. Likewise, I don't see that electricity to power a tv is less of a luxury than petrol to drive to work, so why is one massively taxed per kg of CO2 and the other barely at all?
Is that the flapping of porcine wings I hear?
Is that the flapping of porcine wings I hear?
otolith said:
If we're talking fairness, I'd like to see all energy use taxed at the same rate per kg of CO2 (since that's what they claim it's all about). That's domestic power, industrial power and power for public transport. If buses and trains are so much more carbon efficient, transparent carbon pricing won't hurt them and they don't need or deserve a fuel duty rebate. Likewise, I don't see that electricity to power a tv is less of a luxury than petrol to drive to work, so why is one massively taxed per kg of CO2 and the other barely at all?
Is that the flapping of porcine wings I hear?
This. If it's about saving finite resources instead of trying to regulate everything to the -nth degree Eastern-bloc style, this is the only way to go, and always has been. I have nothing against taxing/subsidising based on an 'external effects' argument, but politicians tend to think that's too much effort, preferring to say they know what's good for us, instead.Is that the flapping of porcine wings I hear?
I can't believe we are paying these idiots to come up with this none sense.
The only sector I know of that is really pulling the country out of recession is the high-end Premium Automotive Manufacturing such as Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley (Aston seem to have lost their way over recent years).
The knock on effect of their success is huge and certainly the midlands engineering & manufacturing sector is booking .....
So why on earth do we disrupt it????
Things keep going this way, I can see half of us selling up and going, some of the radical ones amongst us selling up and buying horse drawn carts and travelling as gypsy's (and yes I know it's Traveller because another idiot somewhere decided we can't offend the bl*ody gypo's despite them stopping wherever they like, making a mess and contributing sweet FA to the country).
The remaining hard core will buck against this dictatorship and eventually will cause civil war!!!
Clegg - you sold your soul to the devil and have turned into a parrot
Miliband - snooty schooled smooth talker, but a proper toss*r really
Cameron - seems genuine but has a lot of idiots around him
The whole politics thing needs a right shake up, these fat cats are wall riding around in the back of brand new jags and range rovers, paid for by us with a chauffeur to boot.
Needs a straight talking, hard hitting animal to really get this lot sorted for the honest man.
I propose Ali G
Would do a better job that these jokers
The only sector I know of that is really pulling the country out of recession is the high-end Premium Automotive Manufacturing such as Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley (Aston seem to have lost their way over recent years).
The knock on effect of their success is huge and certainly the midlands engineering & manufacturing sector is booking .....
So why on earth do we disrupt it????
Things keep going this way, I can see half of us selling up and going, some of the radical ones amongst us selling up and buying horse drawn carts and travelling as gypsy's (and yes I know it's Traveller because another idiot somewhere decided we can't offend the bl*ody gypo's despite them stopping wherever they like, making a mess and contributing sweet FA to the country).
The remaining hard core will buck against this dictatorship and eventually will cause civil war!!!
Clegg - you sold your soul to the devil and have turned into a parrot
Miliband - snooty schooled smooth talker, but a proper toss*r really
Cameron - seems genuine but has a lot of idiots around him
The whole politics thing needs a right shake up, these fat cats are wall riding around in the back of brand new jags and range rovers, paid for by us with a chauffeur to boot.
Needs a straight talking, hard hitting animal to really get this lot sorted for the honest man.
I propose Ali G
Would do a better job that these jokers
If they actually ring-fenced the money for road improvements and subsidising public transport I think people generally would be far more acceptable of any changes/increases. Are there any stats on all money raised through road related taxes vs what they actually put back in?
They seem to have given up on public transport entirely and made the push for super-low emission cars. I would love to get public transport to work in the week and then just own a fun weekend car.
They seem to have given up on public transport entirely and made the push for super-low emission cars. I would love to get public transport to work in the week and then just own a fun weekend car.
This is a tax on consumption.
Adding £23k to an item that is already incurs VAT (a consumption tax) and is the pinnacle of consumerism (is for me anyway) appears to be a marvellous attempt to disprove the Laffer curve.
Pinnacle and curve together have a specific inference.
It would certainly be a historical example for pundits to eulogise.
Adding £23k to an item that is already incurs VAT (a consumption tax) and is the pinnacle of consumerism (is for me anyway) appears to be a marvellous attempt to disprove the Laffer curve.
Pinnacle and curve together have a specific inference.
It would certainly be a historical example for pundits to eulogise.
Edited by 1point7bar on Friday 5th October 08:15
Leins said:
That's what is happening anyway, but the message doesn't get through. They just keep bleeding those who they think can pay. I've written letters to the relevant ministers here, but get the overwhelming feeling from their replies that they just don't care, because they aren't feeling the pain themselves. Latest scheme they've dreamt up is a SORN-system, but where you have to pay €25 each time to declare your car off the road. Almost like you're taxed on your car whether you want to tax and use it or not!
Anyway, going off-topic here slightly, but hopefully for you guys the UK government will view what's happening here and realise that taxing the ste out of the motorist doesn't always mean an increase in tax-take
What is to stop you from buying a UK registered car, getting the boat back home and running it on UK plates? Surely the boat trip to the UK and back for its yearly MoT (assuming over 3 yrs old) would still work out far cheaper than buying one over there and taxing it there?Anyway, going off-topic here slightly, but hopefully for you guys the UK government will view what's happening here and realise that taxing the s
te out of the motorist doesn't always mean an increase in tax-takeEdited by Leins on Wednesday 3rd October 16:47
All based on the theory of how harmful Co2 is to the environment, lets face it can anyone relly prove it is or isnt? its merely the current popular theory, which has been seized by government as a great excuse to screw us all the more!
While we tinker with Co2 levels in Europe what's happening in China the biggest motoring comunity in the world and growing at an alarming rate, have the Chinese rulers shown any concerns? I bet not.
While we tinker with Co2 levels in Europe what's happening in China the biggest motoring comunity in the world and growing at an alarming rate, have the Chinese rulers shown any concerns? I bet not.
All that jazz said:
What is to stop you from buying a UK registered car, getting the boat back home and running it on UK plates? Surely the boat trip to the UK and back for its yearly MoT (assuming over 3 yrs old) would still work out far cheaper than buying one over there and taxing it there?
Because the rules say that if you're an Irish resident and import a car you have 3 days to declare it and pay the import duty, or else your car will be impounded once a policeman stops you and asks for the details and you may have to go to court to get it back. Happened to my brother when he neglected to announce his British regged Audi for a few months.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff