RE: PH buying guide: Mitsubishi Evo VI
Discussion
Krikkit said:
Just the info I was after, thanks! That makes them much more manageable, I thought they might be scooby-grade where 30mpg is a dream! Definitely on my list of cars to own, a grey one.
My WRX wagon used to average 27 mpg including a mix of driving. My missus once used it for a long journey and got 33 mpg.Granted it only had 220 bhp or so...
loudlashadjuster said:
My username betrays a familiarity with these things, of varying vintages. Amazing cars.
The lash adjusters aren't actually an issue in that they'll not cause any damage, other than to your pride as you start it up and it ticks away like something James Bond would try to defuse. Standard parts could suffer the same problem in as few as a few thousand miles following replacement, but aftermarket adjusters with a wider oil path should cure this once and for all. My experience may be getting a bit out of date now though as I recall some talk a few years ago that the standard Mitsubishi parts had been redesigned to prevent occurrence? Best to check on the MLR.
There are various theories behind the 'warped' discs, my own opinon is that it is instigated by a build up of pad material on the disc due to lack of 'proper' use (some MLR members spent a lot of time and money confirming this!). More agressive pads can prevent, but not cure, this. Stay away from crap like EBC [colour] Stuff though; Carbotechs did the business for me.
30MPG is an absolute 'stay off the boost' max, 22-25MPG realistic if you're not hooning it about and you'll easily see low teens if you're in a hurry. A remap will liberate more power, eliminate flat spots and provide a useful 3-6MPG improvement so this can pay for itself very quickly.
If older Evos are any guide then rust will be about your biggest issue with a VI. There can be amazing differences bewteen two ostensibly similar cars due to their provenance and usage so the advice about checking for hidden rot should not be ignored.
Best thing about a VI (or any Evo, really) - Accessible performance, all day, every day.
Worst thing about a VI (or any Evo, really) - Folk will assume you're a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing dangerous dog owner.
Note that the last point only applied after about 2007 as the motorsport/engineering enthusiasts became outnumbered by the UFC/tattoo enthusiasts. Shame, as this rather took the shine off what used to be a true motorsport icon.
Well said !The lash adjusters aren't actually an issue in that they'll not cause any damage, other than to your pride as you start it up and it ticks away like something James Bond would try to defuse. Standard parts could suffer the same problem in as few as a few thousand miles following replacement, but aftermarket adjusters with a wider oil path should cure this once and for all. My experience may be getting a bit out of date now though as I recall some talk a few years ago that the standard Mitsubishi parts had been redesigned to prevent occurrence? Best to check on the MLR.
There are various theories behind the 'warped' discs, my own opinon is that it is instigated by a build up of pad material on the disc due to lack of 'proper' use (some MLR members spent a lot of time and money confirming this!). More agressive pads can prevent, but not cure, this. Stay away from crap like EBC [colour] Stuff though; Carbotechs did the business for me.
30MPG is an absolute 'stay off the boost' max, 22-25MPG realistic if you're not hooning it about and you'll easily see low teens if you're in a hurry. A remap will liberate more power, eliminate flat spots and provide a useful 3-6MPG improvement so this can pay for itself very quickly.
If older Evos are any guide then rust will be about your biggest issue with a VI. There can be amazing differences bewteen two ostensibly similar cars due to their provenance and usage so the advice about checking for hidden rot should not be ignored.
Best thing about a VI (or any Evo, really) - Accessible performance, all day, every day.
Worst thing about a VI (or any Evo, really) - Folk will assume you're a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing dangerous dog owner.
Note that the last point only applied after about 2007 as the motorsport/engineering enthusiasts became outnumbered by the UFC/tattoo enthusiasts. Shame, as this rather took the shine off what used to be a true motorsport icon.
Edited by loudlashadjuster on Wednesday 3rd October 13:16
I had one of these from ralli art, are they still going? I'll resist a major name and shame but I'll just say the underseal they applied must have been done on a Friday afternoon, when they'd run out of underseal etc.
I had a proper love affair with this car including a messy divorce. I wanted a cheaper import but tested a ralli art one for comparison and fell in love. Literally faster in the wet than anything I'd previously owned in the dry, very capable and made a very average driver, godlike. 25k miles, 2 cluthes, 4 sets of tyres, frequent services, I never once left ralli art without spending a grand on something or other. She broke my heart when she had to go but great memories.
I had a proper love affair with this car including a messy divorce. I wanted a cheaper import but tested a ralli art one for comparison and fell in love. Literally faster in the wet than anything I'd previously owned in the dry, very capable and made a very average driver, godlike. 25k miles, 2 cluthes, 4 sets of tyres, frequent services, I never once left ralli art without spending a grand on something or other. She broke my heart when she had to go but great memories.
Edited by Jaroon on Wednesday 3rd October 13:35
loudlashadjuster said:
Worst thing about a VI (or any Evo, really) - Folk will assume you're a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing dangerous dog owner.
Note that the last point only applied after about 2007 as the motorsport/engineering enthusiasts became outnumbered by the UFC/tattoo enthusiasts. Shame, as this rather took the shine off what used to be a true motorsport icon.
Sadly this is the inevitable fate for any performance car especially ones like the Evo, STi , M3. The trick is to buy one, keep it in hiding until said dog owners have moved onto something else. I almost bought a VII when they first came to the UK but went for a P1 instead. I'd love one now either a Mak or a mint RS but I cant afford to keep it in hiding for a few years.Note that the last point only applied after about 2007 as the motorsport/engineering enthusiasts became outnumbered by the UFC/tattoo enthusiasts. Shame, as this rather took the shine off what used to be a true motorsport icon.
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I gave up on being subtle with mine and went for the full rally replica look.
18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
Awesome cars along with the equivalent Subaru's of the day, supercar humbling performance, practicalities of a big boot\4 doors and the supple suspension which was perfectly suited to our crap roads rather than all the hard riding "sports cars" which seem to abound these days. Best of all nothing could touch them in the bang for buck stakes.
The only two bad points are the higher running costs compared to other normal cars but it's a price worth paying and as mentioned and the fact that they became popular\synonymous with a certain type of chavvie owner.
Regrettably hardly anyone offers a similar package these days. Subaru and Mitsubishi have all attempted to move "upmarket" which basically means you get a watered down version at a highly inflated price and no one else has stepped in to fill the gap of the cheap, fast practical saloon.
The only two bad points are the higher running costs compared to other normal cars but it's a price worth paying and as mentioned and the fact that they became popular\synonymous with a certain type of chavvie owner.
Regrettably hardly anyone offers a similar package these days. Subaru and Mitsubishi have all attempted to move "upmarket" which basically means you get a watered down version at a highly inflated price and no one else has stepped in to fill the gap of the cheap, fast practical saloon.
cra1gy1989 said:
Dan_1981 said:
My 8 gets 21/22 on short runs in an every day drivign style.
I got 28 the other day on a longer run at a steady 80ish
Must not be trying hard enough! I get 17-19mpg in my 6 380bhp but that's off boost!I got 28 the other day on a longer run at a steady 80ish
300bhp/ton said:
And on superunleaded too I bet. So pence per mile wise is more like 15-17mpg in 95 RON terms. Great cars though.
That does remind me, any prosepctive owner must factor in SUL price/availability when looking at running costs.Being a fairly highly strung engine even in standard form, the ignition will be severely retarded if run on NUL and you only have to listen to an Evo running on poor fuel, or with an inappropriate map, on det cans once before you swear you'll never do it again.
Remember aswell that Japanese imports are designed for running on 100RON, so even our 98RON SUL is a bit low on the octane, with V-Power/Tesco Momentum etc. slightly better off. UK cars *should* be mapped for 98RON, but I remain unconvinced about this in all cases, espcially in the early days of VI imports.
There isn't really any financial benefit to using NUL anyway as the fuel economy is worse due to the retardation, so you actually get better MPG from SUL, offsetting the higher cost. Plus, it is the equivalent of using budget tyres on such a car - completely misses the point.
The most dangerous time is after an 'emergency' fill up of NUL following prolonged SUL use as the ignition map won't have had time to adjust and the engine will pre-det like crazy under load. Although a standard engine in good fettle should be able to cope with this, a tuned example (higher boost) or one with a pre-existing issue (duff injector, high intake temps etc.) may decide to let go at this point.
All this applies to any performance turbo Jap import really.
Guvernator said:
Awesome cars along with the equivalent Subaru's of the day, supercar humbling performance, practicalities of a big boot\4 doors and the supple suspension which was perfectly suited to our crap roads rather than all the hard riding "sports cars" which seem to abound these days.
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Soooo true, the suspension wasnt crashy or harsh like other hot hatches and performance cars ive driven, it was actually almost a perfect balance between ride comfort and handling !.
t out of the salesman 
ge0rge said:
Guvernator said:
Awesome cars along with the equivalent Subaru's of the day, supercar humbling performance, practicalities of a big boot\4 doors and the supple suspension which was perfectly suited to our crap roads rather than all the hard riding "sports cars" which seem to abound these days.
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Soooo true, the suspension wasnt crashy or harsh like other hot hatches and performance cars ive driven, it was actually almost a perfect balance between ride comfort and handling !.
Moving from my WRX STI to an Evo 8 FQ it took me about a month and I had to do a track day to fall in love with car.
First couple of weeks it didn't seem to do anything better (or worse) than the Subaru, then I did a track day....
Finding the limit and just how far it it is on the track made complete sense (only once I'd done it mind), you do need to change your driving style slightly and experience how the car feels as the AYC does it's job. But christ, after that I realised I was only begining to touch it's capabilities before.
Not the cheapest to run, 4.5k services are really not that expensive going through your local indy/tuner, tyres, depends what you put on and how hard you drive. I'm sure some of the Focus RS/ST owners go through tyres just as quick/slow.
Are they chavvy? I think they are still to rare a sight to be associated like the classic WRX's. At the end of the day a burberry wearing lottery winner can buy a 12 plate AM, does that make it chavvy?
Running 400/400 I don't think I will ever see 30mpg but not far off, but mpg was low on my check list for owning the car.
First couple of weeks it didn't seem to do anything better (or worse) than the Subaru, then I did a track day....
Finding the limit and just how far it it is on the track made complete sense (only once I'd done it mind), you do need to change your driving style slightly and experience how the car feels as the AYC does it's job. But christ, after that I realised I was only begining to touch it's capabilities before.
Not the cheapest to run, 4.5k services are really not that expensive going through your local indy/tuner, tyres, depends what you put on and how hard you drive. I'm sure some of the Focus RS/ST owners go through tyres just as quick/slow.
Are they chavvy? I think they are still to rare a sight to be associated like the classic WRX's. At the end of the day a burberry wearing lottery winner can buy a 12 plate AM, does that make it chavvy?
Running 400/400 I don't think I will ever see 30mpg but not far off, but mpg was low on my check list for owning the car.
renmure said:
I gave up on being subtle with mine and went for the full rally replica look.
18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
Liking that18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
loudlashadjuster said:
300bhp/ton said:
And on superunleaded too I bet. So pence per mile wise is more like 15-17mpg in 95 RON terms. Great cars though.
That does remind me, any prosepctive owner must factor in SUL price/availability when looking at running costs.Being a fairly highly strung engine even in standard form, the ignition will be severely retarded if run on NUL and you only have to listen to an Evo running on poor fuel, or with an inappropriate map, on det cans once before you swear you'll never do it again.
Remember aswell that Japanese imports are designed for running on 100RON, so even our 98RON SUL is a bit low on the octane, with V-Power/Tesco Momentum etc. slightly better off. UK cars *should* be mapped for 98RON, but I remain unconvinced about this in all cases, espcially in the early days of VI imports.
There isn't really any financial benefit to using NUL anyway as the fuel economy is worse due to the retardation, so you actually get better MPG from SUL, offsetting the higher cost. Plus, it is the equivalent of using budget tyres on such a car - completely misses the point.
The most dangerous time is after an 'emergency' fill up of NUL following prolonged SUL use as the ignition map won't have had time to adjust and the engine will pre-det like crazy under load. Although a standard engine in good fettle should be able to cope with this, a tuned example (higher boost) or one with a pre-existing issue (duff injector, high intake temps etc.) may decide to let go at this point.
All this applies to any performance turbo Jap import really.
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