RE: PH buying guide: Mitsubishi Evo VI
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The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
rhinochopig said:
The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
If memory serves, didn't the RS also do away with the AYC altogether therefore getting rid of the AYC pump problem altogether? It was also lighter so probably the better buy if you after the full on Evo experience without some of hassle.The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
rhinochopig said:
The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
The AYC pump is (relatively) cheap to get sorted out these days. There are a few companies out there who can rebuild them for a fraction of the £2500 or so Mitsubishi want for a new one.The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
rhinochopig said:
The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
Its really not a big issue any more. As already said there are plenty of company's reconditioning ATC pumps for £250 and £150 extra if you need a new solenoid. You can even get kits to return it your self now.*Kosta* said:
The AYC pump is (relatively) cheap to get sorted out these days. There are a few companies out there who can rebuild them for a fraction of the £2500 or so Mitsubishi want for a new one.
I had mine rebuilt for about £250.Mine is my daily - 93,000 miles on it now - and I get about 24/5 mpg on my commute.
Tyres last pretty well, wearing uniformly - 15-18,000 miles - and are a "relatively" cheap size. Four A1 Asymetrics on last week for £500.
Guvernator said:
rhinochopig said:
The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
If memory serves, didn't the RS also do away with the AYC altogether therefore getting rid of the AYC pump problem altogether? It was also lighter so probably the better buy if you after the full on Evo experience without some of hassle.The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
As for the comments re the rebuild. The starting price is 250 if you're lucky; I wasn't. Then factor in the labour to remove and fit, plus the oil, and the system should be bled using the correct tool or it can cause problems so it's not really a diy job.
There are lots of mlr stories of big bills. Mine included as some of those offering rebuilds can't test all the components.
rhinochopig said:
Guvernator said:
rhinochopig said:
The glaring omission in the article is the ticking bomb AYC pump. It will fail and it can be expensive to fix.
The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
If memory serves, didn't the RS also do away with the AYC altogether therefore getting rid of the AYC pump problem altogether? It was also lighter so probably the better buy if you after the full on Evo experience without some of hassle.The other is knocking suspension at the front which is often the top mounts.
Also worth noting that the RS was the Grp N car so came in various guises from all mech diffs through to active rear (and centres on the 7 and above). Features like abs, recaros, ac, etc. all had to be spec,d as options.
The RS models also came as standard with weedy gravel brakes. The Brembos were an option.
As for the comments re the rebuild. The starting price is 250 if you're lucky; I wasn't. Then factor in the labour to remove and fit, plus the oil, and the system should be bled using the correct tool or it can cause problems so it's not really a diy job.
There are lots of mlr stories of big bills. Mine included as some of those offering rebuilds can't test all the components.
Dave Hedgehog said:
love the 6, my mate had an evo VI extreme with an RS450 conversion, fastest bloody thing i have ever driven
adore them
Who was that? My brother has a genuine Extreme RS450 and by all accounts is one of only 2 left in the world?adore them
Pushing 485bhp and near the supposed '450' torques!
Shame the fuel tank is so small but it is savage. Can't match my two seater British sports car on track though.....
Love my Evo8MR - best perf handling car ive had.
I do get frustrated by the chav comments - I get a bit of grief over it, yet I am still unable to find any justification. I go to alot of MLR meets and they are all owned by 30+ year old enthusiasts who know alot about engineering and the vehicles history.
I cannot find a chav driver amongst them.
Scoobies, well thats another matter.
I think maybe its jealousy most of the time
I do get frustrated by the chav comments - I get a bit of grief over it, yet I am still unable to find any justification. I go to alot of MLR meets and they are all owned by 30+ year old enthusiasts who know alot about engineering and the vehicles history.
I cannot find a chav driver amongst them.
Scoobies, well thats another matter.
I think maybe its jealousy most of the time
Guvernator said:
Awesome cars along with the equivalent Subaru's of the day, supercar humbling performance, practicalities of a big boot\4 doors and the supple suspension which was perfectly suited to our crap roads rather than all the hard riding "sports cars" which seem to abound these days. Best of all nothing could touch them in the bang for buck stakes.
very well said.. I have a E9, running about 380/380, and on a normal road, it is just stupid, if a little over the top, fast. However, one of the major plus points is that handling, as it can basically cater to almost any taste (unless you like not to have to thing about driving and just cover ground fast, in which case you need an audi).. Minimal understeer, oversteer on demand... sublime steering, light but with wonderful feedback, which you can not have in a modern car.. Best of all, single setup (I have optional bilstein suspension that came on some models) works on bumpy B roads, for everyday driving, driving fast, and is great in the snow.. Quite a bit too soft for the track, but fast nevertheless..
The only problems is that I can not find a car to replace it with...
I have got a 6 RS and have had 3 Evos before it. In my opinion, the RS is the one to go for if you intend on using it for track days, the GSR if you want it as a daily driver. GSR is a more comfortable place to be with more sound deadening, thicker shell and glass and air con (although there are a few RS's about with air con as an extra). You will also get the nice Recaros as opposed to the poverty spec seats you get as standard in the RS but most have different seats put in once imported. The RS is considered by many as a better base car for tuning as it is lighter and has a mechanical diff instead of AYC which some say gives a bit more feel and adjustability than the AYC.
If you are considering buying an Evo 6, the most important thing to check is for rust. A lot of cars have spent a considerable amount of time on salted roads with shoddy underseal applied causing terminal rust that will cost a fair few quid to put right. A safer bet would be to opt for a more recently imported car but still thoroughly inspect the car, on a ramp if possible. Don't let this put you off as there are a lot of well looked after cars out there that are very well priced considering the performance they offer. Mechanically, they are reliable, none of mine have broken down on me in 5 years but this is provided they have been looked after well.
Running costs are decent when you compare it to the amount of speed they carry. As already mentioned, if you can do basic servicing yourself and change the oil and filter every 4.5k or 6 months it will keep costs down. I am not trying to say that they are cheap cars to run and its easy to spend a fortune on fuel just driving for the fun of it but the amount of ground you can cover in one of these is crazy. Be prepared to be clinging to your license within months!
Another thing you will quickly lose is your bank balance once you start tuning them. If you spend a couple of grand on stage 1 mods (exhaust, filter, decat, remap), you will probably be knocking on for 360-380bhp on an Evo 6. This will give you a car that is pretty bloody quick but then you want more. It is very easy to spend A LOT of money on tuning Evos, with forged engines (£10k-£15k if done right), big turbo kits (£4k), gearboxes (£10k), shell prep (£15k), subframes (£5k), ECUs (£4k), suspension (£3k), brakes (£3k), wheels (£3k) and all of the other smaller bits which soon add up. Granted, once you had spent all of this, you would have a Time Attack spec car but its an example of how far you can go and probably further still.
Finally, the MLR is a fantastic resource for anyone wanting more info on anything Evo and there are some very helpful, knowledgeable people on there should you have any questions.
Hope this helps someone
If you are considering buying an Evo 6, the most important thing to check is for rust. A lot of cars have spent a considerable amount of time on salted roads with shoddy underseal applied causing terminal rust that will cost a fair few quid to put right. A safer bet would be to opt for a more recently imported car but still thoroughly inspect the car, on a ramp if possible. Don't let this put you off as there are a lot of well looked after cars out there that are very well priced considering the performance they offer. Mechanically, they are reliable, none of mine have broken down on me in 5 years but this is provided they have been looked after well.
Running costs are decent when you compare it to the amount of speed they carry. As already mentioned, if you can do basic servicing yourself and change the oil and filter every 4.5k or 6 months it will keep costs down. I am not trying to say that they are cheap cars to run and its easy to spend a fortune on fuel just driving for the fun of it but the amount of ground you can cover in one of these is crazy. Be prepared to be clinging to your license within months!
Another thing you will quickly lose is your bank balance once you start tuning them. If you spend a couple of grand on stage 1 mods (exhaust, filter, decat, remap), you will probably be knocking on for 360-380bhp on an Evo 6. This will give you a car that is pretty bloody quick but then you want more. It is very easy to spend A LOT of money on tuning Evos, with forged engines (£10k-£15k if done right), big turbo kits (£4k), gearboxes (£10k), shell prep (£15k), subframes (£5k), ECUs (£4k), suspension (£3k), brakes (£3k), wheels (£3k) and all of the other smaller bits which soon add up. Granted, once you had spent all of this, you would have a Time Attack spec car but its an example of how far you can go and probably further still.
Finally, the MLR is a fantastic resource for anyone wanting more info on anything Evo and there are some very helpful, knowledgeable people on there should you have any questions.
Hope this helps someone
Edited by TomCI on Thursday 4th October 00:17
renmure said:
I gave up on being subtle with mine and went for the full rally replica look.
18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
Normally this sorta thing would be unbelievably sad but I have such love for Evo's that this is damn cool.18 months of very happy motoring but the servicing schedules became a bit of a bind and nothing was ever particularly cheap either. Another frustration was that the fuel tank isn't the biggest so you were always aware that it was expensive to run. Probably one of the few cars I have had which I would buy again.
Here's your chance to buy another like that, only a TME.
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
I ran a Evo 9 fq 320 in black totally standard (if you can call it that) for a 6 months back in 08. I was at a family wedding once, and the groom asked me to give his best friend a lift back to his house to pick the grooms car up. I obliged. The best friend was German and working here for a couple of years, your typical I.T nerd mid 40's drove a mk3 Golf 'driver' on German plates that was pristine. He sat in the car and said to me "Is theeese a racing car?" I answered not really its more of a rally car made for the road. We went down a pebble dash drive and I pulled onto a lovely B road. He asked me what sort of power etc I told him and he said "thats as much as a Porche 911!" He had no clue as to what he was in. Then the inevitable happened and I had to give him a 5 mile demo as to sow what the car was all about, by the end of it he pale was shaking, begging me to slow down, his final words were, "its a beast"!
RX7 said:
If the price comes down any more, they are in the danger of falling into the realms of the cheap scoobie and falling into the hands of the barrow bow and chav brigade (reputation then severely tarnished), so sincerely hope they hold up in price 
Unfortunately, I'd suggest it is the image and stigma attached to any Evo that already keeps many away. I remember looking at Imprezas at Bell & Colvill on a Saturday morning when a group of Imprezas came fart, banging and popping past the dealership. All gave it the beans and all peeped their horns as they passed. The salesman just looked at me and said, "they think they are doing us a favour by promoting the car" with a roll of his eyes.
No matter how good, both the Evo and the Impreza already have a very suspect image and to drive one, you really need to set that to one side or wear a bag over your head
I've had 7 of these cars in 10yrs, currently on my 2nd red TME and still love it. It was my daily driver for almost 3yrs, its now got almost 116000 miles on the clock and after careful maintenance still looks and drives like a new car. If you have an itch to buy one, do it. You won't regret it.
PS. You will NOT need tires every 4,000miles unless the geometry is all over the place.
Porkie said:
Owner's view:
"The downside of the performance is that it is tiring to drive when not in the mood. I'll get out of it after a two-hour drive from my folks utterly knackered."
Gary Collier
WTF?!?!?!?!?
Its a modern 4 door, 4wd jap Saloon... not exactly a Morgan 3 wheeler or Atom is it?
I`ve done several 12-14hr journeys in mine, THAT is quite knackering because 1. mine has fixed Recaros and 2. it actually takes concentration on a long motorway journey because you have to choose exactly which bit of the lane you want to be on, there is no "slack"."The downside of the performance is that it is tiring to drive when not in the mood. I'll get out of it after a two-hour drive from my folks utterly knackered."
Gary Collier
WTF?!?!?!?!?
Its a modern 4 door, 4wd jap Saloon... not exactly a Morgan 3 wheeler or Atom is it?
But 2hrs????
Porkie said:
Owner's view:
"The downside of the performance is that it is tiring to drive when not in the mood. I'll get out of it after a two-hour drive from my folks utterly knackered."
Gary Collier
WTF?!?!?!?!?
Its a modern 4 door, 4wd jap Saloon... not exactly a Morgan 3 wheeler or Atom is it?
Not exactly a car designed with NVH-minimisation in mind though is it? My Type R is tiring in a similar fashion. Short gears, high revs, loud drone at part load etc, wears you down mentally compared to something designed to do miles in comfort."The downside of the performance is that it is tiring to drive when not in the mood. I'll get out of it after a two-hour drive from my folks utterly knackered."
Gary Collier
WTF?!?!?!?!?
Its a modern 4 door, 4wd jap Saloon... not exactly a Morgan 3 wheeler or Atom is it?
Always adored the TME. Though I like my sports/supercars and the like, my favourite roads are tight, leaf-strewn and invariably covered with water which is what they were made for. A very British car in many ways, weirdly. Golden age of rallying just seals the deal. One day, one day...
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