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s m

10,075 posts

86 months

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300bhp/ton said:
s m said:
DrTre said:
Not at the moment, the 8v was around sixteen thousand from memory...but that may be wrong...there's an autocar scan somewhere on the net,.where it's pitched against the testarossa.
It was only a suggestion, but it kinda makes some sense to me, just because although I can see these cars are by objective definition hot hatches, they also aren't, by a more subjective/emotive definition.


The Lancia in that article was £15920, the Testarossa was £89700
Cool.

Wonder how much other Delta models where at the time, a poster earlier claimed the Integrale was 4x the price. So that'd be about £4k then?


Wasn't a Focus RS pushing on £30k recently? So on that basis would £180k buy you a modern Ferrari Testarossa equivalent?
From that same issue, an HF Turbo ie was £9795

deltashad

4,830 posts

80 months

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Integrale should be disqualified as it cost more than most other hot hatches in its day to produce a superior machine.

Jesus, I've heard just about every excuse why it shouldn't be allowed in this poll. It's a case of 'do anything to keep the car out of the poll or my car won't win.'

Get over it, dry your eyes. My car is better than your car.


Jacobyte

3,985 posts

125 months

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Quite right Deltashad. The front cover even calls it the "Hottest Hatch", and that was over 20 years ago.

Whilst the minority may not agree, the majority have had their say and have voted.

DrTre

12,428 posts

115 months

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Dunno if the last two posts were aimed specifically at me, but if they were: do I think it should be classed as a "traditional" hot hatch? Push came to shove, no I don't.
Do I say this because I want "my car to win"? Er..."my car" IS the integrale. I'm just about to another.
In a list of best rally derived cars it'd be at the top for me by leagues, better than the Stratos.
In a list of best cars ever made, it'd only lose to a 288GTO in my opinion.
fk it, in a list of best convertibles ever made, it'd only lose to a DS Decap. (and no, I'm not talking of the Agnelli cars)

Is it a "hot hatch"? No, that does the integrale down, and more importantly, that doesn't let something more deserving of the spirit of the title win it.

ETA

Jacobyte said:
Quite right Deltashad. The front cover even calls it the "Hottest Hatch", and that was over 20 years ago.

Whilst the minority may not agree, the majority have had their say and have voted.
Just to add..technically speaking, the majority might actually say that the integrale isn't a hot hatch (to be fair, they may not)..but that is a different question to the one posed..even then, unless the Lancia polled over half the votes then more people didn't vote for it than did.

Personally, I have no problem with it "winning" 300's poll, it fits the criteria he set and that's cool (tbh, he was going to be damned whatever criteria he came up with). It was an interesting exercise and cheers to him for putting the effort into the online pub discussion it is/was.


Edited by DrTre on Saturday 6th October 01:21

deltashad

4,830 posts

80 months

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That wasn't aimed at you doc. That was a general post at probably 50% of the voters opinion on whether it was or is a hot hatch.

I only ever saw it as a hot hatch. It was originally a small/medium sized hatchback.
It then became the all wheel drive very quick hatchback. Before becoming the integrale. In all honesty I don't think it was over priced until the 16v was launched.
The hf4wd 2.0 litre turbo was around 15k. I think.... then the 8v 16k, but I'm sure the 16v took a hike to 17.5k with the evos suitably increasing.

I was always a Lancia fan, I wanted a delta 1600gt ever since I first saw one in the early 80s. They just got better and sexier as time went on.

When exactly did it stop being a hot hatch?

Golf gti wasn't the first hot hatch. Nor the talbot sunbeam. It was the wonderful r5 gordini.



Edited by deltashad on Saturday 6th October 01:53

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DrTre

12,428 posts

115 months

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No probs.
You've probably hit the nail on the head by asking "when did it stop being a hot hatch?" because for me (and others it seems) it simply never was one. It never was in the same class as the Golf, 205, Corolla etc..the HF Turbo was, the integrale, no. That class is the hot hatch to me.

Aaaanyway, it's all a larf innit?

deltashad

4,830 posts

80 months

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Absolutely.... hehe.....

Nightshift on the rig... time to get a coffee smoke...

Dusty964

6,076 posts

73 months

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Saturday 6th October 2012 quote quote all
Has no-one had the good grace to mention the Chevette HSR yet?


Agent Orange

1,700 posts

129 months

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Dusty964 said:
Has no-one had the good grace to mention the Chevette HSR yet?
Yep I did yesterday but fully expect 300bhp/ton to dismiss it as not meeting his criteria for a hatchback winktongue outbiggrin

The Obeast

94 posts

27 months

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Why are some people attacking 300bhp/ton? He set up the poll, he didnt cast all the votes. I dontbknow the guy personally, but he's taking flak about what is or isnt a hot hatch. Judging by the broad spectrum (by hot hatch standards) hes done a good job to not dismiss certain vehicles. As far as i can see the list has 50 cars on it all hatchbacks that are performance versions of normal cars. Yes some more extreme than others but still relevant.

Dave Hedgehog

7,011 posts

87 months

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The Obeast said:
Why are some people attacking 300bhp/ton? He set up the poll, he didnt cast all the votes. I dontbknow the guy personally, but he's taking flak about what is or isnt a hot hatch. Judging by the broad spectrum (by hot hatch standards) hes done a good job to not dismiss certain vehicles. As far as i can see the list has 50 cars on it all hatchbacks that are performance versions of normal cars. Yes some more extreme than others but still relevant.
was it a poll, i though it was random scribblings of what people half thought hence the nonsense result

The Obeast

94 posts

27 months

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Did you vote? If this poll is so bad have you made your own to 'recitify' how wrong it is? Or you just had beef with 300 in the past and are now just being an ass?

JonRB

42,403 posts

155 months

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The Obeast said:
Did you vote? If this poll is so bad have you made your own to 'recitify' how wrong it is? Or you just had beef with 300 in the past and are now just being an ass?
In case you weren't aware, *this* thread is in response to a PistonHeads news article reporting on the results of the poll. Many people, myself included, didn't see the original poll. We saw the news article and are commenting on it.

As for the rest of your post, I think 300 can defend himself and doesn't need some gushing sycophant to do it for him.

The Obeast

94 posts

27 months

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The irony being im a gushing sycophant whilst you are doing the same for mr Hedgehog. I dont care if i didnt see the original poll, the amount of folk getting at someone for a poll they started not cast all the votes in is sad. People may or may not be in agreement with the results, but its not 300s fault people voted the way they did. How dare i think rationally.

Dusty964

6,076 posts

73 months

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The Obeast said:
The irony being im a gushing sycophant whilst you are doing the same for mr Hedgehog. I dont care if i didnt see the original poll, the amount of folk getting at someone for a poll they started not cast all the votes in is sad. People may or may not be in agreement with the results, but its not 300s fault people voted the way they did. How dare i think rationally.
300bhp/ton said:
Thanks mum

Dave Hedgehog

7,011 posts

87 months

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The Obeast said:
The irony being im a gushing sycophant whilst you are doing the same for mr Hedgehog. I dont care if i didnt see the original poll, the amount of folk getting at someone for a poll they started not cast all the votes in is sad. People may or may not be in agreement with the results, but its not 300s fault people voted the way they did. How dare i think rationally.
the point was it wasnt a poll it was random scribblings (which i did contribute too)

i have no beef with 300, personally i would have taken all the suggestions in the random scribble thread and produced a proper poll with one vote per person, might have got something meaningful from it then

Ferg

15,242 posts

140 months

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It was a PH poll. Doesn't mean much, not scientific, bit of fun. I'm enjoying watching the indignation, though. smile

The Obeast

94 posts

27 months

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Fair enough mr Hedgehog, i apologise for questioning if you were being an ass. perhaps i should use more smilies fir my intentions . As for others mockng me for saying I didnt think 300 had done a bad job, i would rather give credit where i think its due, rather than crying because its not how I would have conducted it. Have a pleasant evening chaps im off to get drunk.

levinski2228

3 posts

21 months

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I'm sure the 'Hot Hatch' category was about 'affordable' performance. Standard cars that had been 'breathed on' bringing something a tiny bit more special than normal to the masses. I completely disagree with so many on this list, what on earth were you thinking Dan.furious

levinski2228

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I retract blaming it on Dan, but that is it. If I had seen the original thread I would have posted similar there. Some great cars in this poll, but they are NOT hot hatches. The Integrale, along with the Cosworths, GTIR's etc etc are in a completely. different. category.
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