RE: PH blog: a sniff of Bloodhound

RE: PH blog: a sniff of Bloodhound

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wiggy001

6,545 posts

271 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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One of the most amazing things about this project is surely the tiny budget they are working to. That seems to be too small by a factor of 10 to a layman like me!

Think about the budgets F1 teams have. And these guys are using an F1 engine as a fuel pump. The cheap bit!

Was a pleasure to see some of this up close as Goodwood this year and last.

Absolutely incredible.

wedgeinald

1,309 posts

190 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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The thing that puts the scale of this into perspective for me is the fuel pump.....

Which has a Cosworth Formula 1 engine JUST to pump the fuel.....

A brilliant project well worth supporting.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Here's a question. How do they simulate 1000mph to the body of the vehicle to ensure that it will be stable and stay on the ground at that sort of speed? Presumably there is no wind tunnel anywhere on the planet that can push that sort of air through for such testing? Or are they having to do limited testing in wind tunnels, and using that information work the rest of it all out on computers?

R500POP

8,777 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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We use CFD, basically a virtual wind tunnel.

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Ah smile Thanks!

nismo48

3,688 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Excellent stuff..!! smokin
405dogvan said:
Let's not get this wrong here - Richard Noble and Andy Green would be our Gene Kranz and Neil Armstrong had we 'done' Apollo - but in a British and not an American way - with a budget slashed accordingly...

It's been said the engineers who made Apollo shudder when told of Concorde - because making a passenger jet fly faster than the speed of sound is a technical nightmare beyond sending people into space - and making a car, travelling on wheels, surpass 1000mph - is harder still...

The British way has always been to put it together in a shed and stand around looking vaguely uncomfortable as your creation does the impossible tho - it's great to see it continues.

Moreover, it's great to see the way they're using this to inspire a generation of engineers - that, alone, is worth the cost.

gl20

1,123 posts

149 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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What I find impressive (bordering on scary) about this is the targetted margin of improvement ie not talking a few mph/% improvement over the last record but around 30% if memory serves me correctly.

And an F1 engine for a fuel pump is one of my favorite trivia car facts ever..

Zad

12,698 posts

236 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Two plucky Brits. No money. No resources. Result: An amazing and inspiring product that beats the world.

We have a bit of a record of doing this, because I'm talking about the ARM processor. 90% of mobile phones have them and they have quietly driven innovation for two decades (and made a huge amount of money). Not least in products like the Raspberry Pi, which was intended to sell a total of 10,000 but they are now struggling to fulfil demand of 100,000 a month. Good engineering does that.

We have seen how the Olympics has inspired people to take up sport, and has given the whole country a boost at a difficult time. Bloodhound can do the same for science and engineering. It needs industry to play it's part too though, and not leave all the training and experience for someone else to do.

cossey

148 posts

189 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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gl20 said:
What I find impressive (bordering on scary) about this is the targetted margin of improvement ie not talking a few mph/% improvement over the last record but around 30% if memory serves me correctly.

And an F1 engine for a fuel pump is one of my favorite trivia car facts ever..
31% to be precise

nismo48

3,688 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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biggrin
cossey said:
31% to be precise

R500POP

8,777 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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nismo48 said:
biggrin
cossey said:
31% to be precise
Largest increase in land speed record history iirc.

woody68

139 posts

197 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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I was there yesterday and all i can say is Chris you have summed up exactly the days events

If anybody would like to get involved here's the link you need

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/donate-join

Me and my son have been part of the 1K Club since the project launch back in 2008 and all he wants to be now is an engineer when he leaves school ...

XTR2Turbo

1,533 posts

231 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Chicane-UK said:
Here's a question. How do they simulate 1000mph to the body of the vehicle to ensure that it will be stable and stay on the ground at that sort of speed? Presumably there is no wind tunnel anywhere on the planet that can push that sort of air through for such testing? Or are they having to do limited testing in wind tunnels, and using that information work the rest of it all out on computers?
I seem to recall that for SSc a scale model was fired down a rail at Penine Sands. I guess computers are cheap and powerful enough now to model.

R500POP

8,777 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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XTR2Turbo said:
Chicane-UK said:
Here's a question. How do they simulate 1000mph to the body of the vehicle to ensure that it will be stable and stay on the ground at that sort of speed? Presumably there is no wind tunnel anywhere on the planet that can push that sort of air through for such testing? Or are they having to do limited testing in wind tunnels, and using that information work the rest of it all out on computers?
I seem to recall that for SSc a scale model was fired down a rail at Penine Sands. I guess computers are cheap and powerful enough now to model.
From memory tge Thrust SSC CFD model was 1 million cells, the one we are using on Bloodhound is 70 million.

timbo48

688 posts

182 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Thanks for a great write up Chris. Wish I'd been there.

Mrs Timbo is involved with the education side through her university (Southampton) and is really proud of this, it's a brilliant idea to involve so many school kids.

fatboy18

18,947 posts

211 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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When I first saw that top pic of the engine in the Bunker, I thought CY88 had re opened his tunnel biggrin

Mezzanine

9,212 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Surely such a fantastic, British, engineering project deserves a few PH smiley faces and a few sponsorship pounds in their pockets?

Get those idle hands down the back of the office sofa Garlick wink


M3John

5,974 posts

219 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Great write up Chris.

Any thought of putting a PH sticker on the nose guys? wink

R500POP

8,777 posts

210 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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M3John said:
Great write up Chris.

Any thought of putting a PH sticker on the nose guys? wink
Got a few grand spare?

Alias218

1,495 posts

162 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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I am kind of hoping that the big metal pipe leaving what is presumably the F1 'fuel pump' is to extract exhaust emissions while at the noisy end that hybrid rocket is spewing black smoke! That would be very indicative of EU regs.

'Ve must schtop CO und NOx from destroying our vorld!'

Excuse my poor German.