Why don't people understand filter lanes?
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mattshiz said:
Im not saying that you're driving in an incorrect manner, but in these kind of instances then barging in does make the whole process for everyone behind slower. You have every right to filter properly, but don't say its easing congestion as its not, unless the tail of the queue reaches another junction (I don't know the area you're talking about).
And people should only use one lane on the M25 in case anybody overtakes them. That'll help.
Perhaps the issue is that because most people don't act correctly in this situation, anyone using the second lane actually does add to the delay - albeit through no fault of their own.
If someone in lane one isn't prepared to allow you to merge easily, it will result in one of you having to stop or at least slow more sharply. That does make the queue worse.
It's 'common knowledge' that using the second lane is wrong - & better signposting / education is needed.
If someone in lane one isn't prepared to allow you to merge easily, it will result in one of you having to stop or at least slow more sharply. That does make the queue worse.
It's 'common knowledge' that using the second lane is wrong - & better signposting / education is needed.
I do think that road / road works designers could help this - the most common arrangement is that the outside lane disappears and the inside remains, so the outside lane have to get into the inside.
If they designed it so that both lanes go and a new one appears half way between the others - like a Y instead of an h (need to imagine one of those upside down!) then it's clear that both lanes are giving way rather than only 1.
If they designed it so that both lanes go and a new one appears half way between the others - like a Y instead of an h (need to imagine one of those upside down!) then it's clear that both lanes are giving way rather than only 1.
I can see both sides tbh. On the one hand people are right that it's a British thing to use one lane and queue. On the other, those who scream down and "merge" in at the last possible moment are almost certainly not doing it because they've studied the highway code, it's simple to get to the front of the queue quicker.
ziggy1024 said:
better signposting / education is needed.
Like here, http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=53.692854,-1.850161&a...They still queue like tards though....
This drives me bonkers but I think I know why it happens.
London/city driving makes merging very difficult for the inexperienced or nervous driver. If you watch the way cabs and locals behave the general etiquette is indicator on, turn wheels and stick the nose out as soon as any gap appears. If you sit there with the ticker going you will never be let in and nobody will EVER give way. It can get to the point where you have to pick your timing carefully though - a cab for example will probably concede and let you in eventually as it's his livelihood and he's not going to crash into you. A crappy old Sprinter would rather crush you and your car than let you in. Consequently a lot of drivers would rather queue than have to force their way in further up the road.
This method of "driving" spills out into towns and rural roads where the same people doggedly queue instead of risking being blocked or forced wide by some giant bellend. No risk of confrontation, no having to think.
London/city driving makes merging very difficult for the inexperienced or nervous driver. If you watch the way cabs and locals behave the general etiquette is indicator on, turn wheels and stick the nose out as soon as any gap appears. If you sit there with the ticker going you will never be let in and nobody will EVER give way. It can get to the point where you have to pick your timing carefully though - a cab for example will probably concede and let you in eventually as it's his livelihood and he's not going to crash into you. A crappy old Sprinter would rather crush you and your car than let you in. Consequently a lot of drivers would rather queue than have to force their way in further up the road.
This method of "driving" spills out into towns and rural roads where the same people doggedly queue instead of risking being blocked or forced wide by some giant bellend. No risk of confrontation, no having to think.
As others have mentioned if we all used them properly, then great, no issue. But with the sheeps who queue and then those that use lane two to merge properly we just create a bottle neck.
I was getting frustrated with this on the way home last night and funny enough see a thread on it this morning.
Also need to get this off of my chest: People racing you off the lights on a dual carriageway to stop you merging after the traffic lights to then sit at 40mph in a 50mph. If you're going to go then bloody go!
Then I came across another one. Amusing when the guy kept trying to race me off at the lighst and I let him race off with his girlfriend grinning at me. Then the third set of lights i just turned left slowly.
It didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time. And the third time you looked a plank.
I was getting frustrated with this on the way home last night and funny enough see a thread on it this morning.
Also need to get this off of my chest: People racing you off the lights on a dual carriageway to stop you merging after the traffic lights to then sit at 40mph in a 50mph. If you're going to go then bloody go!
Then I came across another one. Amusing when the guy kept trying to race me off at the lighst and I let him race off with his girlfriend grinning at me. Then the third set of lights i just turned left slowly.
It didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time. And the third time you looked a plank.
Symbolica said:
I don't know why they make one lane merge into another, why not make them both merge into the centre? That way it's clear that neither lane has priority when you get to the merge point.
I've thought the same thing, but all you'll end up with is a line of The only way that could work is for the last 450 yards up to the restriction to be coned into 2 lanes, then essentially forcing a give way at the end as they both funnel into one. That way it stops the idea of "queue jumpers" (well, merely sates the muppets who think that people using lane 2 are jumping the queue anyway).
It would however, add huge amounts of extra work for the highways agency or whoever, increasing cost. The current system works fine, it's just people are so single-minded that they think their own ideas override the highway code, and seemingly are prepared to drive carelessly or dangerously in order to prevent other people 'winning'
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