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forzaminardi
867 posts
56 months
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b  hstewie said: I can see both sides tbh. On the one hand people are right that it's a British thing to use one lane and queue. On the other, those who scream down and "merge" in at the last possible moment are almost certainly not doing it because they've studied the highway code, it's simple to get to the front of the queue quicker. I doesn't really matter why they're doing it, though, does it - because they're using the road as it is supposed to be used. Yes, it's probably not very polite of safe to blast past stationary traffic at full speed and then cut in at the last possible moment, but driving sensibly in the lane and merging with due care and attention is fine.
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cwis
414 posts
48 months
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Symbolica said: I don't know why they make one lane merge into another, why not make them both merge into the centre? That way it's clear that neither lane has priority when you get to the merge point. The new minister of transport, in an ideal world, speaks sense above.
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mr_fibuli
609 posts
64 months
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I don't have a problem with this at all. Thanks to all the sheep in lane one, you are given the option of driving directly to the front of the queue in lane two.
If everyone was educated to use both lanes properly, then which ever lane you choose, you are effectively joining the back of the queue.
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aj520d
49 posts
9 months
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mr_fibuli said: I don't have a problem with this at all. Thanks to all the sheep in lane one, you are given the option of driving directly to the front of the queue in lane two.
If everyone was educated to use both lanes properly, then which ever lane you choose, you are effectively joining the back of the queue. If its a 2 lane road the right had lane is for over taking not for queuing? People automatically stick to the left lane.
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SMGB
774 posts
8 months
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Pooky67 said: We have a stretch of road near here like this. To make matters worse the merge portion is over a set of traffic light controlled crossroads, two lanes one side merge into one the other side. It's always chaos, and I'm sure it would work better if the merge was forced before the lights. aplogies if some one has said this. There is a certain flow that can be attained across the lights, 2 lanes being better than one. If we all grew up and merged in turn we could all go on our way in the minumum time. I agree that merge in turn should be made compulsory. I have to say that if you try to filter in reasonably in good time without hurtling into someones safety gap across the hatchings then 9 out of 10 drivers are OK. If its the 10th I just close the throttle and drop one place back.
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DonkeyApple
12,019 posts
38 months
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john2443 said: I do think that road / road works designers could help this - the most common arrangement is that the outside lane disappears and the inside remains, so the outside lane have to get into the inside.
If they designed it so that both lanes go and a new one appears half way between the others - like a Y instead of an h (need to imagine one of those upside down!) then it's clear that both lanes are giving way rather than only 1. Jesus!!!!! That would be carnage.  Every five seconds two cara would be banging doors. Simpler to just write 'MERGE POINT' at the end of the outer lane where the arrows are.
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Zoobeef
1,310 posts
27 months
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Why do some think that cars that use lane 2 'scream up and force their way in'?
I rarely see anyone doing that, they DRIVE up to the frontish and put the indicator on and get let in. No violent swerving or dead children at all!
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Dunclane
993 posts
38 months
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I couldn't believe my eyes yesterday when at the point of merging at roadworks in Oldbury a Leon and a lorry came to within an inch of each other and the lorry drove into his door mirror pushing it back on itself!! The lorry driver was a f king idiot to be honest.
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lyonspride
702 posts
24 months
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Zoobeef said: Why do some think that cars that use lane 2 'scream up and force their way in'?
I rarely see anyone doing that, they DRIVE up to the frontish and put the indicator on and get let in. No violent swerving or dead children at all! Because any/all overtaking is now seen as aggressive/impatient/illegal.
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carreauchompeur
10,609 posts
73 months
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I can't see why you don't just queue.
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Disastrous
3,590 posts
86 months
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carreauchompeur said: I can't see why you don't just queue. You're not meant to.
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carreauchompeur
10,609 posts
73 months
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Disastrous said: carreauchompeur said: I can't see why you don't just queue. You're not meant to. Sorry, that needed a  I always use the available space and in a w ker-spec M3 it does tend to annoy people a little 
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HTP99
1,544 posts
9 months
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A3 southbound Burpham junction is 2 lanes onto a roundabout with arrows in the road clearly indicating both lanes are a straight ahead.
On busy days people can be queueing in the left lane actually onto the A3 carriageway with the right lane completely empty, why?
I hit the right lane and end up having to jocky for position at the roundabout with many people trying to block me, giving me full beams or the old universal 5 knuckle shuffle wave of the hand.
I really don't understand why people can't see that you are to use both lanes, it'll make everyones like far easier and make your journey quicker.
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TITWONK
354 posts
36 months
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Van drivers seam to block the road around here! I don't always merge, I like to laugh at all the blocking and road rage going on!
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4key
3,928 posts
17 months
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The problem (other than the morons on the road) Is that the signs always indicate one lane merging into another rather than 2 lanes merging together, this gives the ones blocking the mentality that they have right of way. Normally it will be that the left hand lane is continuous and the right hand lane will have arrows telling you to get into the left lane, if both lanes had arrows it would remove the thought of priority over the other lane and stop all of this b ks. That however is too simple.
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cymtriks
4,014 posts
114 months
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OP,
The last thing you want is for anybody to get lane zipping.
If that huge que splits into two you will no longer be able to romp to the front. Each of the two ques will go at the same speed as the current big que as the single lane they feed into will still have the same capacity to move cars on. You will then have no option but to join a slow que. So you will be stuffed.
Be glad that they don't get it.
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Palms
95 posts
20 months
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YorkshirePudding said: This is the exact same place i always think about when people mention merge in turns, and yes they still que like retards and even see lorries taking up half of each lane to stop people using the lane correctly w kers
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DonkeyApple
12,019 posts
38 months
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cymtriks said: OP,
The last thing you want is for anybody to get lane zipping.
If that huge que splits into two you will no longer be able to romp to the front. Each of the two ques will go at the same speed as the current big que as the single lane they feed into will still have the same capacity to move cars on. You will then have no option but to join a slow que. So you will be stuffed.
Be glad that they don't get it. It's the same with my private roads in London. They are all marked in red Tarmac and get me past all the queues. If people started reading the clear as day blue signs it would be ruination.
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vrsmxtb
1,207 posts
25 months
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[quote=StoatInACoat
This method of "driving" spills out into towns and rural roads where the same people doggedly queue instead of risking being blocked or forced wide by some giant bellend. No risk of confrontation, no having to think.
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This, for sure.
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Expatloon
61 posts
26 months
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There is no getting away from the fact that the frogs are appalling drivers but stupidity rules rather than aggression and zip merging and letting people out is the norm.
In some ways I would like this subject to that of undertaking, yes yes we all know that it's illegal but if you can undertake someone safely and within the speed limit then it's the cretin you undertook who was really at fault for being where he/she was.
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