RE: GT86 'just the start' for Toyota
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This car is a sin, an abomination. Surely this must be on every PH hate list. A true nerd mobile, whoever designed this should have been shot.
sunsurfer said:
Maybe I'm a sad case but I like the old Multipla - it is more distinctive and interesting than other dreary mpv's/people carriers like Ford/VW/SEAT Galaxy/Alhambra and Peugeot 5008.
For years they had the MR2/Celica/Supra line up.
Hopefully now they'll have the XXX/GT86/XXX line up - Where the MR2 'replacement' is a convertible of some type (I would imagine - they don't have one at all now?) and that the Supra 'replacement' is some kind of rival to the GTR, just like in the 90's
Oh - and I typed the above without actually READING the article - so it turns out I basically said what they said
Hopefully now they'll have the XXX/GT86/XXX line up - Where the MR2 'replacement' is a convertible of some type (I would imagine - they don't have one at all now?) and that the Supra 'replacement' is some kind of rival to the GTR, just like in the 90's
Oh - and I typed the above without actually READING the article - so it turns out I basically said what they said
Edited by Riknos on Friday 12th October 10:19
otolith said:
That's an interesting point of view, I've never seen that generation criticised for its driving dynamics, quite the opposite, it was lauded as a return to form.
Do you really mean to say that it was a bit slow?
Perhaps I was being a bit unclear, I meant that more from a marketing perspective, they were sold a a wind in your hair looks type car rather than an out and out driving experience & I think we can all agree the styling followed that suit. The older original MR2s were marketed as being a bit raw and a bit hard edged and that followed through in the styling of the cars. The latter MR2 looked like they'd almost given up with stying & made soemthing that was a step away from a commuter car and was aimed at a much softer (dare I suggest female centric) market. Do you really mean to say that it was a bit slow?
As a drive in direct comparison to the Rev3 I have to say it was good but not AS good as the previous incarnation. You sit higher and the wheelsbase seemed shorter and was somewhow less involving possibly in an attempt to make the target market less likely to get themselves into trouble. It also categorically should have been quicker.
Edited by M@1975 on Friday 12th October 11:22
robmlufc said:
David87 said:
Supra vs GT-R! Fiiiiiight!
The GT-R's an awesome car, but it's still 80 grand territory - I'll never pay that for a car (unless I get lucky on the lottery) and nor, in reality, will most people here (there are exceptions, obviously).
The idea that the GT-R will be an 'affordable' bargain secondhand after a few years is a red-herring. It's as expensive to maintain as the supercars it competes with, so most people won't have the money to run one, the same as most people don't run a secondhand 355, despite most people here claiming it's the best Ferrari ever.
So, the Supra would be better if it was a 40 Grand 335i/S5 fighter with relatively simple mechanics that people can afford to keep running secondhand in years to come.
They can build a Lexus GT-R fighter
M
Would be fantastic to have Toyota back as it was producing interesting and affordable performance and sports cars. I certainly intend to have a good look at the GT-86 once its replacement time.
Hope they keep up the reliability they had as well with the 4A and the 3S engines, bomb proof.
Hope they keep up the reliability they had as well with the 4A and the 3S engines, bomb proof.
marcosgt said:
The idea of a Supra GT-R fighter doesn't excite me.
The GT-R's an awesome car, but it's still 80 grand territory - I'll never pay that for a car (unless I get lucky on the lottery) and nor, in reality, will most people here (there are exceptions, obviously).
The idea that the GT-R will be an 'affordable' bargain secondhand after a few years is a red-herring. It's as expensive to maintain as the supercars it competes with, so most people won't have the money to run one, the same as most people don't run a secondhand 355, despite most people here claiming it's the best Ferrari ever.
So, the Supra would be better if it was a 40 Grand 335i/S5 fighter with relatively simple mechanics that people can afford to keep running secondhand in years to come.
They can build a Lexus GT-R fighter
M
Yep absolutely spot on. While I have mucho respect for the new GT-R and in relative terms\performance on offer, it is cheaper than it's competition, it still isn't a cheap car either to buy or run. The original GT-R and Supra where the people's champions, offering supercar slaying pace for a fraction of the cost and more importantly not costing the earth to run. The GT-R's an awesome car, but it's still 80 grand territory - I'll never pay that for a car (unless I get lucky on the lottery) and nor, in reality, will most people here (there are exceptions, obviously).
The idea that the GT-R will be an 'affordable' bargain secondhand after a few years is a red-herring. It's as expensive to maintain as the supercars it competes with, so most people won't have the money to run one, the same as most people don't run a secondhand 355, despite most people here claiming it's the best Ferrari ever.
So, the Supra would be better if it was a 40 Grand 335i/S5 fighter with relatively simple mechanics that people can afford to keep running secondhand in years to come.
They can build a Lexus GT-R fighter
M
The new GT-R is a far cry from that ethos I'm afraid and a Supra which went head-to-head with it while being a decent car wouldn't interest me personally. Make it a bit cheaper and more importantly keep it simpler so that it's running costs make it accessible to a much wider audience. Unfortunately I believe that the chances of this happening are probably zero. They will want to try to outdo Nissan and it'll end up costing close to 6 figures with the equivalent running costs to match.
Edited by Guvernator on Friday 12th October 14:33
marcosgt said:
The idea of a Supra GT-R fighter doesn't excite me.
The GT-R's an awesome car, but it's still 80 grand territory - I'll never pay that for a car (unless I get lucky on the lottery) and nor, in reality, will most people here (there are exceptions, obviously).
The idea that the GT-R will be an 'affordable' bargain secondhand after a few years is a red-herring. It's as expensive to maintain as the supercars it competes with, so most people won't have the money to run one, the same as most people don't run a secondhand 355, despite most people here claiming it's the best Ferrari ever.
M
A second hand GTR is about 40k - affordable for a large number of people.The GT-R's an awesome car, but it's still 80 grand territory - I'll never pay that for a car (unless I get lucky on the lottery) and nor, in reality, will most people here (there are exceptions, obviously).
The idea that the GT-R will be an 'affordable' bargain secondhand after a few years is a red-herring. It's as expensive to maintain as the supercars it competes with, so most people won't have the money to run one, the same as most people don't run a secondhand 355, despite most people here claiming it's the best Ferrari ever.
M
It isn't expensive to maintain either - tyres might be but apart from than nothing goes wrong.
And not sure what you mean by "most people don't run a secondhand 355" - do you think there is a graveyard for them or something?
raptor600 said:
A second hand GTR is about 40k - affordable for a large number of people.
It isn't expensive to maintain either - tyres might be but apart from than nothing goes wrong.
Utter crap, it is incredibly expensive to maintain the gtr. I bought one new and it really adds up.It isn't expensive to maintain either - tyres might be but apart from than nothing goes wrong.
Services are every 6k/6months on the pre my11 cars. Labour is at £120+vat, the cheapest service I've ever had is £300 the most around £1200. Then you add tyres and brakes every 15000 miles at about £5k the car becomes very expensive to maintain.
The bell housing used to rattle themselves to bits but aside from that you are right in saying they don't go wrong (touch wood!)
Back on topic--
Please bring out a new Supra ! IL6 TT gogogogogo !
R I C H said:
I took a test drive for a couple of hours this week in a GT86 (Scion FR-S in Canada) and it left me a little non-plussed. The handling can get entertaining, but the ride quality on our not so smooth roads here was very poor. Interior trim quality is particularly disappointing and I found the seats tight on space and comfort. Anyone 6ft plus is going to find it a squeeze. It costs $29,500+ taxes, which is what I purchased my mk6 Golf GTI for 18 months ago - at that price it just doesn't stack up. Wanted to like it, but the execution doesn't match the sticker price.
I'm 6’ 8” and its the only sports car I fit in! raptor600 said:
A second hand GTR is about 40k - affordable for a large number of people.
It isn't expensive to maintain either - tyres might be but apart from than nothing goes wrong.
And not sure what you mean by "most people don't run a secondhand 355" - do you think there is a graveyard for them or something?
A friend with a GTR took it out on track and he said it ended up costing £2.5k for the day in 'consumables', he has since bought a bike engined kit car to use on track as he figured it cheaper to buy another car than run the GTR. Pottering about town I'm sure they are not horribly expensive but when pushed they are.It isn't expensive to maintain either - tyres might be but apart from than nothing goes wrong.
And not sure what you mean by "most people don't run a secondhand 355" - do you think there is a graveyard for them or something?
Escort Si-130 said:
The Arna only looked bad because they brought the hatch/rear panel break point too far below the DLO/beltline, so it looked like a piece of cheese from the rear. The rest looked OK.The disappointment really was that it combined the reliability of the Sud with the driving dynamics of the Cherry in a classic own goal sort of way.
I suppose there was always a remote possibility that Toyobaru would likewise snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but they didn't; despite my suspicion of the hack-Kool-Aid-hype, the car is a cracker and great fun to drive/own. And I'd completely given up on lousily-designed, unreliable modern rubbish until then...
Since Honda is determined to me-too Toyota into beige mediocrity, I also look forward to Tada-san's next two projects.
LordGrover said:
pjac67 said:
Come on LG where are you?
Keep up at the back....
Keep up at the back....
I can't be arsed to 'defend' the 86 anymore.
I'm happy with it out of the box. For what I want right now it's pretty much perfect.
Can't say the same of the Toyota dealerships though. On my third now.
PS. Here's mine on one of my running-in runs.
I thought I recognised the car when I saw it this morning 
, then I saw the PH logo on the back and I knew it was yours. Cheers, Dave Twincam16 said:
MycroftWard said:
StottyZr said:
An Elise competator would be nice. Sub 1000kg, 140-250hp variants and ~22-30k price tag with 5years warranty 
That would be great for sure, it would put Lotus out of business though wouldn't it?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff