RE: DVLA in 'cutting red tape' shocker
Discussion
Use only fuel duty for cars and motorcycles.
Continue to impose extra fees for trucks and buses (because of the greater physical damage to the road surface that heavier vehicles cause, rather than the amount of fuel they use)
That could lower the hypothetical amount they would need to add to the fuel price.
As would stopping printing and mailing discs, repealing the legislation that surrounds them (e.g. SORN), and making all the jobs of the people who administer and enforce this system redundant.
Continue to impose extra fees for trucks and buses (because of the greater physical damage to the road surface that heavier vehicles cause, rather than the amount of fuel they use)
That could lower the hypothetical amount they would need to add to the fuel price.
As would stopping printing and mailing discs, repealing the legislation that surrounds them (e.g. SORN), and making all the jobs of the people who administer and enforce this system redundant.
onyx39 said:
Alex said:
IanJ9375 said:
Why not go the whole hog and remove the need to display a disc at all?
Even less red tape and just have a db such as the askmid site to confirm a licence is in place?
Even better: scrap the licence altogether and replace with a small levy on fuel.Even less red tape and just have a db such as the askmid site to confirm a licence is in place?
been saying this for years!
Of course, it's also a tax that hits the poorest hardest (every litre costs more to cover the RFL lost, but the rich with 20 cars in their garage pay nothing when not driving them), so I can understand why it's popular here...
Dave Hedgehog said:
people too daft not to spend 5 mins doing it online deserve to queue for an hour 
I was going to say not everyone has a PC, but as you can wander into your local library and use a PC for nothing, I think I'd agree... I can't recall the last time any of our cars were taxed at a PO.M.
This will be a blessing to me, last year when I dutyfuly attended my local post office to tax my wifes car the snotty, arrogant and very wrong old c~w behind the counter told me i couldn't tax the car because I was not the reg keeper, when i explained (politely) that she was mistaken and the govt didn't care who taxed the car so long as it was taxed she ordered me to leave the premisses. I went to the next town and insured the car at their Post office without any problems whatsoever.
So I hope this will be the end of Jobsworths like her.
So I hope this will be the end of Jobsworths like her.
Alex said:
98elise said:
This has caused me a real problem: I bought a car mid month which needed tax. new tax runs from the beginning of the month, but my insurance ran from the day of purchase, puting them about a week apart. When I went to renew the tax the following year, they wouldn't let me tax it because "I didn't have enough insurance left" (ie about a week from renewal)!!
I had to wait until I had my new policy in place, before I could tax the car, even though the car had perfectly valid insurance
They should let you tax the car even if you only have 1 hour of insurance left.I had to wait until I had my new policy in place, before I could tax the car, even though the car had perfectly valid insurance
Alex said:
IanJ9375 said:
Why not go the whole hog and remove the need to display a disc at all?
Even less red tape and just have a db such as the askmid site to confirm a licence is in place?
Even better: scrap the licence altogether and replace with a small levy on fuel.Even less red tape and just have a db such as the askmid site to confirm a licence is in place?
Zumbruk said:
Not "in some cases"; in all cases. The VAT on petrol is levied on taxes already paid.
Besides, AFAIK, the Irish already tried this, then decided they wanted an annual check on paperwork, imposed a fee to pay for it, so they ended up with a levy on fuel and an annual fee. Which then went up regularly until it was the same as the previous tax disk.
According to the famous LJK Setright, fuel tax was first dreamed up by a frenchman as a fairer alternative to road tax in that the more thst you used the roads, the faster you drove or the bigger the car the more fuel you used and hence the more tax you paid. Setright's comment was something like, 'Well you can always depend on a government to steal with the right hand whilst thieving with the left hand, so we have both'Besides, AFAIK, the Irish already tried this, then decided they wanted an annual check on paperwork, imposed a fee to pay for it, so they ended up with a levy on fuel and an annual fee. Which then went up regularly until it was the same as the previous tax disk.
Edited by Zumbruk on Monday 15th October 12:12
The reason the government don't implement a system of extra fuel taxation is not one of falling revenue (everyone would seems happy to pay an amount in line with their historic tax receipts) but more about the fact that large swathes of the DVLA drones would need to be laid off.
There's no way that they could decimate a workforce that large in such a deprived part of the UK, it would be the poll tax riots/miners strike all over again
There's no way that they could decimate a workforce that large in such a deprived part of the UK, it would be the poll tax riots/miners strike all over again
Greg_D said:
The reason the government don't implement a system of extra fuel taxation is not one of falling revenue (everyone would seems happy to pay an amount in line with their historic tax receipts) but more about the fact that large swathes of the DVLA drones would need to be laid off.
There's no way that they could decimate a workforce that large in such a deprived part of the UK, it would be the poll tax riots/miners strike all over again
Although probably true, that's a ridiculous argument when you think about it. The Government might as well pay gangs of young people to smash windows.There's no way that they could decimate a workforce that large in such a deprived part of the UK, it would be the poll tax riots/miners strike all over again
Alex said:
Even better: scrap the licence altogether and replace with a small levy on fuel.
NO NO NO!!!!No more on fuel!
My car is 4 grams over the limit into Band L £460, ONLY "4 grams" less and it would have been £190.
It's s
t like this that needs to stop....Putting it on the fuel is no help!TW>>>
timewatch said:
Alex said:
Even better: scrap the licence altogether and replace with a small levy on fuel.
NO NO NO!!!!No more on fuel!
My car is 4 grams over the limit into Band L £460, ONLY "4 grams" less and it would have been £190.
It's s
t like this that needs to stop....Putting it on the fuel is no help!TW>>>
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