RE: DVLA in 'cutting red tape' shocker
Discussion
98elise said:
This has caused me a real problem: I bought a car mid month which needed tax. new tax runs from the beginning of the month, but my insurance ran from the day of purchase, puting them about a week apart. When I went to renew the tax the following year, they wouldn't let me tax it because "I didn't have enough insurance left" (ie about a week from renewal)!!
I had to wait until I had my new policy in place, before I could tax the car, even though the car had perfectly valid insurance
They should let you tax the car even if you only have 1 hour of insurance left.I had to wait until I had my new policy in place, before I could tax the car, even though the car had perfectly valid insurance
Sexual Chocolate said:
2nd Weekend. MOT didn't have enough time left on it. Apparently it needs 5+ days.
First I've heard of it.I've come to the conclusion that the armoured glass between you and the clerks in Post Offices is nothing to do with robbers, it's to protect the clerks from enraged motorists when the clerks have just refused to allow them to pay taxes to the Government for stupid, pointless, pedantic and likely wrong reasons.
KMB said:
Glad someone can count, using the original message it would have been 22p extra/L!
In this case I would be out of pocket:I get 18MPG from the weekender and do about 5k miles a year. if fuel was to be 1.64 then I would pay 275 for road tax. I actually pay £205 (I think). I know this is low but it was how the cars were registered so we get away with lower Tax.
The commute car does 48MPG and its looking like I'll be doing 22k miles a year so based on diesel at 1.64 (as its similar to Vpower in cost) then I would pay £453. I currently pay I think about £120. Even if my milage dropped to average of 12K I would still pay more.
Think I'll keep road tax if thats the case.
Bondy
MoT Certificate and an Insurance Policy must be valid on the day the new 'Tax Disc' starts; comments like "it's not got long-enough left to run" - assuming the MoT etc are valid on the day the 'Tax Disc' commences - sound like something from Terry Gilliam's Brazil
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Of course, this may well not work when taxing a car one has just purchased (Insurance Policy starting after the first of the month, as an example), but the PO seem happy enough to issue a 'Tax Disc' in that case
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.Of course, this may well not work when taxing a car one has just purchased (Insurance Policy starting after the first of the month, as an example), but the PO seem happy enough to issue a 'Tax Disc' in that case
.Remarkably sensible decision, I remember taking a black and white print out of my insurance (done in a hurry) a few years ago, which they refused because it 'wasn't an original'.
Aware of this strange rule, I printed it in colour on nicer paper, went back 30 minutes later, lied when they asked if it was an original, and got my tax. Such a bonkers rule which made no sense whatsoever in this day and age.
Ever since then I've made sure I've done it online the moment it drops through the letterbox, in fact I don't think I've even printed an insurance certificate off for several years now.
Surely this is a step towards scrapping tax discs alltogether, as they will now mean even less than they already do.
Aware of this strange rule, I printed it in colour on nicer paper, went back 30 minutes later, lied when they asked if it was an original, and got my tax. Such a bonkers rule which made no sense whatsoever in this day and age.
Ever since then I've made sure I've done it online the moment it drops through the letterbox, in fact I don't think I've even printed an insurance certificate off for several years now.
Surely this is a step towards scrapping tax discs alltogether, as they will now mean even less than they already do.
Alex said:
Even better: scrap the licence altogether and replace with a small levy on fuel.
I'm all for this. Why should I, or anyone else, pay as much to drive my 12k a year as someone who does 100k a year up and down the motorway?Does anyone know how much fuel would have to rise to raise an amount eqivalent to what VED raises?
Alex said:
But that's the point. Why should someone pay £400/year for a weekend car that they rarely drive compared to a small diesel owner who does 40k miles a year?
A tax on fuel is directly proportional to emissions and usage. A tax on ownership is an authoritarian measure motivated by envy.
Add a plus one to this man's tally.A tax on fuel is directly proportional to emissions and usage. A tax on ownership is an authoritarian measure motivated by envy.
I can't imagine a Bugatti Veyron in the UK being used as a daily driver so it's contributions to overall green house gases in the dozen times a year at most it's used is negligable in comparison to the 2 litre Audi A4 diesel used for over 100k miles in 5/8 years.
But then if we were to take that holistic approach to taxing cars on their overall contribution to pollution the Nissan Leaf would be taxed to high buggery due to the manufacturing processes and the carbon produced - against Aston Martin's factory pumping out 5000 cars a year that will accumulate less miles in their life than a Range Rover.
Sadly though governments need to be seen to be taxing fairly, and a government - especially a Tory one, would be shredded if it allowed the rich (those with a car costing more than £20k or an individual with more than one car) to pay less.
confused_buyer said:
williredale said:
Exactly this. Mine run out at the same so this year when I went she checked online and couldn't find my insurance details. I had a printed copy which after a bit of scrutinising was allowed.
Does this mean that the post office I went to was trialling this system?
The proposal is to scrap the check, not move from paper to checking the MID.Does this mean that the post office I went to was trialling this system?
Sexual Chocolate said:
<the post office sucks>
One word: USE THE INTERNET. Don't visit the post office. Waste of your time. The cost of VED is one thing, but the inconvenience of having to go to the post office can be fixed already, by not going.http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl... <-- DO IT
I used to tax my car at the post office, and after the third or fourth year of having it take a whole lunchtime - despite the post office being no more than 5 minutes away from my work, and being a fairly large one with something like six counters, though of course only one would ever be staffed - I vowed never to do it again. (I think I went one time and they were even closed, because it was Wednesday afternoon, or whatever.)
It takes about 2 minutes to do it online. If your insurance isn't on the database yet, you can try again the very next day. If you're worried about not getting your tax disc in time, (a) their records are all computerised anyway, and (b) you can print out the receipt and keep it in your car. But since you can do it online any time you like, there's no need for you to cut it fine at all, because all you need is 2 spare minutes one evening.
Gruffy said:
Yes, in that instance you'd be paying 'more than your fair share', but you couldn't object to that while supporting the current system of a 3k mile/yr driver paying the same as a 12k mile/yr driver. No system is going to be perfect, but shifting VED onto fuel is easily the closest we have to a fair solution for generating that revenue:
Taxation proportional to usage
Impossible to evade payment or forget to renew
No need for expensive administration or enforcement
You make some attractive suggestions regarding the fiarness of a levy, but I don't think that's actually something that interests the gummint at all. Taxation proportional to usage
Impossible to evade payment or forget to renew
No need for expensive administration or enforcement
Basically they want your money. As much of it as possible.
The main reason they don't want to switch to a levy on fuel is that they consider the days of the internal combustion engine limited and they are wondering how they can keep harvesting money from motorists when they don't have to fill up at a garage. Keeping VED makes much more sense under these circumstances, as does road pricing, which is precisely why they're so keen on it. They just haven't figured out how to sell it to us and not commit electoral suicide, because above all else, a politician's dearest wish is to keep their grasp on the levers of power.
VeeTEC said:
I'm all for this. Why should I, or anyone else, pay as much to drive my 12k a year as someone who does 100k a year up and down the motorway?
Does anyone know how much fuel would have to rise to raise an amount eqivalent to what VED raises?
I think someone worked out the difference between the VED income and how much petrol is used annually. Does anyone know how much fuel would have to rise to raise an amount eqivalent to what VED raises?
If tax discs are done away with, and fuel duty increased to compensate, surely it won't be as much as people are calculating because the whole DVLA tax division will no longer be needed, and so help reduce our bloated public sector? Or is that just wishful thinking...
Yep, they need to get rid of the pointless disk, all that workload printing and sending disks around, the current system really is a little unfair, someone who spends 30 grand on a new three series pays £30 if it is an eco diesel, then proceeds to do 35k miles in a year, someone with a family bus that does 2k a year can be paying £460 if they bought the wrong version and they dont always have the means to change cars, especially as nobody wants to buy it as it costs £360 to tax !
I dont think the tax disk serves a purpose any more, it used to be for an annual documentation check, now the Registration, Insurance and MOT systems are electronic.
Stick it on fuel, no admin, nobody can avoid it (not without driving off) and the amount you pay is directly down to how you drive, the car you drive and the miles you do, people get to "Pay as you go" and avoid that £200/300 bill you forgot about, if they boxed clever they could get more revenue and stem the tide of lost money as everyone uses the rules to decamp to cars with CO2 outputs contrived to the government tests.
I dont think the tax disk serves a purpose any more, it used to be for an annual documentation check, now the Registration, Insurance and MOT systems are electronic.
Stick it on fuel, no admin, nobody can avoid it (not without driving off) and the amount you pay is directly down to how you drive, the car you drive and the miles you do, people get to "Pay as you go" and avoid that £200/300 bill you forgot about, if they boxed clever they could get more revenue and stem the tide of lost money as everyone uses the rules to decamp to cars with CO2 outputs contrived to the government tests.
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