Still a £$&£$ on the log book

[BHC]

Someone has bid over two grand for that!?
What kind of idiot would try it? And even worse, what kind of idiot would buy it when the project fails?

[AlexRS2782]

Japanese import Impreza WRX STI, but whoever imported it registered it as a Non Turbo GL on the V5, which the current owner has been making use of

"Registered as a GL so cheap insurance "

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Impreza-Wrx-Sti-5...

Advertised as a Toyota Starlet Glanza Turbo but again registered as a GL model with an engine conversion.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-TOYOTA-STARLET-GLAN...

[Cliftonite]

Steffan said:

Good post that unregistered car is never road legal. Then there is the insurance question. Not worth a candle it's not registered because the seller knows how difficult that will be. One to avoid.

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Would this car not have a possible future as a track or show car, though?
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[Cliftonite]

Steffan said:

Good post that unregistered car is never road legal. Then there is the insurance question. Not worth a candle it's not registered because the seller knows how difficult that will be. One to avoid.

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Would this car not have a possible future as a track or show car, though?
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[Liquid Knight]

Cliftonite said:

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Would this car not have a possible future as a track or show car, though?
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On track with that much engine it'll handle like Bambi on ice and too plain for the show crowd. Maybe a run what yer brung day as I'd imagine it would be good for low twelves.

[hairykrishna]

It's got a future of being run illegally on the road.

[Liquid Knight]

hairykrishna said:

It's got a future of being run illegally on the road.

Without the original engineers report for the DVLA?

The car will need an SVA instead and would fail on things that have been updated since the 206 was first built.

[BHC]

Liquid Knight said:

Without the original engineers report for the DVLA?

The car will need an SVA instead and would fail on things that have been updated since the 206 was first built.

He said 'illegally'.

[Liquid Knight]

BHC said:

Liquid Knight said:

Without the original engineers report for the DVLA?

The car will need an SVA instead and would fail on things that have been updated since the 206 was first built.

He said 'illegally'.

Sorry just glanced at it.

I'm finding more and more with these builds the potential going to waste is quite annoying. Primarily as this car will more than likely be sold to some pillock who will use it, insure and tax it as a 1.6 then become another CD10+IN10 statistic instead of going to an enthusiast who would get the most out of it.

[hairykrishna]

I wonder if it'd be worth more or less if it had the actual engine declared when it was built?

[Steffan]

hairykrishna said:

I wonder if it'd be worth more or less if it had the actual engine declared when it was built?

Properly registered with the correct paperwork such a car would sell well. Very well probably. Q cars with this much power to weight ratio would find buyers and the car would have a value in consequence. As the car is not capable of registration, or passing IVA as others have suggested it really has no value. Accident looking for somewhere to happen.

Sadly some over confidant inexperienced novice may oblige which is a pity for the driver, the consequences and the waste of what could have been a real Q car if properly executed. The days of these sorts of wrecked cars as a viable project are long gone there is no way to use this legally OTR. Without full provenance on all the parts and build diaries and an engineers inspection this car cannot be registered.

Many interested enthusiasts are beginning to appreciate this but the flog it on the web it's rubbish lot of modifiers still think the way is paved with gold. Not any more post IVA in the UK. There really are no easy routes to achieving registration of heavily modified cars except in accordance with DVLA requirements for such changes.

Edited by Steffan on Tuesday 10th June 19:39

[gowmonster]

so who in their right mind gets a professionally done conversion and either doesn't get the paperwork to back it up so future buyers can declare it to the DVLA, or declare it themselves.

if they cut corners on registering for tax/insurance purposes, what else have they not done properly?

scary biscuits.

[Liquid Knight]

gowmonster said:

so who in their right mind gets a professionally done conversion and either doesn't get the paperwork to back it up so future buyers can declare it to the DVLA, or declare it themselves.

if they cut corners on registering for tax/insurance purposes, what else have they not done properly?

scary biscuits.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

gowmonster said:

so who in their right mind gets a professionally done conversion and either doesn't get the paperwork to back it up so future buyers can declare it to the DVLA, or declare it themselves.

if they cut corners on registering for tax/insurance purposes, what else have they not done properly?

scary biscuits.

Quite. I just hope a few of the enthusiasts realise the impracticality of registering such cars. As you and many of the contributors on here already know this is no longer a simple process and virtually impossible on the unrecorded heavily modified cars highlighted on here. IMO 90% of the "Barn finds" advertised on the web are in fact tryons with no real hope of registration. Just chasing a quick and less than honest buck.

[hairykrishna]

Steffan said:

hairykrishna said:

I wonder if it'd be worth more or less if it had the actual engine declared when it was built?

Properly registered with the correct paperwork such a car would sell well. Very well probably. Q cars with this much power to weight ratio would find buyers and the car would have a value in consequence. As the car is not capable of registration, or passing IVA as others have suggested it really has no value. Accident looking for somewhere to happen.

Sadly some over confidant inexperienced novice may oblige which is a pity for the driver, the consequences and the waste of what could have been a real Q car if properly executed. The days of these sorts of wrecked cars as a viable project are long gone there is no way to use this legally OTR. Without full provenance on all the parts and build diaries and an engineers inspection this car cannot be registered.

I'm fully aware that it's basically impossible to make it legal and to me or you that renders it practically valueless. However, being on the wrong engine makes the (invalid) insurance for avoiding ANPR much cheaper to obtain than a factory hot hatch or a legal modified car. I was musing that in this market segment that may actually raise the selling price.

[Steffan]

hairykrishna said:

Steffan said:

hairykrishna said:

I wonder if it'd be worth more or less if it had the actual engine declared when it was built?

Properly registered with the correct paperwork such a car would sell well. Very well probably. Q cars with this much power to weight ratio would find buyers and the car would have a value in consequence. As the car is not capable of registration, or passing IVA as others have suggested it really has no value. Accident looking for somewhere to happen.

Sadly some over confidant inexperienced novice may oblige which is a pity for the driver, the consequences and the waste of what could have been a real Q car if properly executed. The days of these sorts of wrecked cars as a viable project are long gone there is no way to use this legally OTR. Without full provenance on all the parts and build diaries and an engineers inspection this car cannot be registered.

I'm fully aware that it's basically impossible to make it legal and to me or you that renders it practically valueless. However, being on the wrong engine makes the (invalid) insurance for avoiding ANPR much cheaper to obtain than a factory hot hatch or a legal modified car. I was musing that in this market segment that may actually raise the selling price.

You may well be right and I appreciate the musing. Such non mainstream markets have discrete pricing and are very unpredictable. To the average buyer looking for a road legal car definitely not suitable. To thrill seekers who know no better, are not concerned with consequences and find the unlawful low insurance attractive there may indeed be advantages. Pity.

[Liquid Knight]

This is another technicality. Some insurers will cover the car provided all the modifications are declared to them. Whether or not the are declared to the DVLA. So long as they get their twenty pieces of silver they are under no obligation to forward any declaration on to the authorities.

For example the number of 1380cc Mini engines built over the years for road cars compared to the number registered on the road is laughable.

[D4MJT]

I could be missing something, but what is the problem exactly with getting the 206 road legal?

If it's currently MOT'd and taxed, albeit obviously it's since been converted, to my understanding it's a case of taking it to a garage, getting a report from them to confirm the new engine number and existing chassis number of the car on a letterhead, and then sending the logbook off to the DVLA with updated engine details?

Granted it was damaged and VIC'd in 2008, but that's long gone and it's clearly been on the road since then?

I could be missing something staringly obvious, I just don't follow currently why people are saying it couldn't be registered for road use and this SVA/IVA talk? From what I can see it's basically an engine swap with PAS added and some suspension mods, it's not really a cut and shut is it?

[dtmpower]

AlexRS2782 said:

Japanese import Impreza WRX STI, but whoever imported it registered it as a Non Turbo GL on the V5, which the current owner has been making use of

"Registered as a GL so cheap insurance "

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Impreza-Wrx-Sti-5...

Advertised as a Toyota Starlet Glanza Turbo but again registered as a GL model with an engine conversion.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-TOYOTA-STARLET-GLAN...

From memory there were some early turbo cars imported by Subaru UK and they were registered as GL officially, but knowing the DVLA they probably then didn't make a model distinction and if the model code wasn't found when a private import was presented they just guessed at it - and hence more GL being registered.

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-general-1/78140...

[Steffan]

D4MJT said:

I could be missing something, but what is the problem exactly with getting the 206 road legal?

If it's currently MOT'd and taxed, albeit obviously it's since been converted, to my understanding it's a case of taking it to a garage, getting a report from them to confirm the new engine number and existing chassis number of the car on a letterhead, and then sending the logbook off to the DVLA with updated engine details?

Granted it was damaged and VIC'd in 2008, but that's long gone and it's clearly been on the road since then?

I could be missing something staringly obvious, I just don't follow currently why people are saying it couldn't be registered for road use and this SVA/IVA talk? From what I can see it's basically an engine swap with PAS added and some suspension mods, it's not really a cut and shut is it?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. From my experience personally of trying to register heavily modifies cars and unregistered kit cars requiring registration with questionable parts fitted from unidentified cars without provenance following the changes in the DVLA requirements post IVA this is now virtually impossible.

There has been a fundamental shift in the requirements of the DVLA on such cars. Which explains the plethora of unfinished heavily modified car and kit cars being advertised as "Easily registerable, Just a formality, A box ticking exercise, Nothing to worry about," etc and so on, on the web car selling sites which are appearing daily. In my opinion this is deliberate misrepresentation and the buyers need to understand that this is just pure blarney and simply untrue.

If you have personal experience of this process and have found a simple way through this process then it would be very helpful if we could all hear how this can be done. In my experience from the registrations that I have attempted (I register about 5 cars a year) it no longer can and the game has changed.