Still a £$&£$ on the log book
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D4MJT said:
I could be missing something, but what is the problem exactly with getting the 206 road legal?
If it's currently MOT'd and taxed, albeit obviously it's since been converted, to my understanding it's a case of taking it to a garage, getting a report from them to confirm the new engine number and existing chassis number of the car on a letterhead, and then sending the logbook off to the DVLA with updated engine details?
Granted it was damaged and VIC'd in 2008, but that's long gone and it's clearly been on the road since then?
I could be missing something staringly obvious, I just don't follow currently why people are saying it couldn't be registered for road use and this SVA/IVA talk? From what I can see it's basically an engine swap with PAS added and some suspension mods, it's not really a cut and shut is it?
This is what I was wondering also. I really can't see why it'd be too much of an issue, it doesn't look like a shoddy deathtrap and as long as the car isn't a ringer and the engine isn't held in with duck tape then surely it is just a formality? If it's currently MOT'd and taxed, albeit obviously it's since been converted, to my understanding it's a case of taking it to a garage, getting a report from them to confirm the new engine number and existing chassis number of the car on a letterhead, and then sending the logbook off to the DVLA with updated engine details?
Granted it was damaged and VIC'd in 2008, but that's long gone and it's clearly been on the road since then?
I could be missing something staringly obvious, I just don't follow currently why people are saying it couldn't be registered for road use and this SVA/IVA talk? From what I can see it's basically an engine swap with PAS added and some suspension mods, it's not really a cut and shut is it?
It looks like it could be hilariously good fun, and that's coming from someone who hates 206s rather vehemently.
Steffan said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. From my experience personally of trying to register heavily modifies cars and unregistered kit cars requiring registration with questionable parts fitted from unidentified cars without provenance following the changes in the DVLA requirements post IVA this is now virtually impossible.
There has been a fundamental shift in the requirements of the DVLA on such cars. Which explains the plethora of unfinished heavily modified car and kit cars being advertised as "Easily registerable, Just a formality, A box ticking exercise, Nothing to worry about," etc and so on, on the web car selling sites which are appearing daily. In my opinion this is deliberate misrepresentation and the buyers need to understand that this is just pure blarney and simply untrue.
If you have personal experience of this process and have found a simple way through this process then it would be very helpful if we could all hear how this can be done. In my experience from the registrations that I have attempted (I register about 5 cars a year) it no longer can and the game has changed.
I'm actually going through the process myself currently. I've supplied the engine number etc of my new engine, and the DVLA have written back to me asking for a confirmation of the engine number and chassis number from an indecent 3rd party, whether it be a dealer, an independent garage etc. it's not completed yet so I'll let you know how I get on, but it seems ok thus far.There has been a fundamental shift in the requirements of the DVLA on such cars. Which explains the plethora of unfinished heavily modified car and kit cars being advertised as "Easily registerable, Just a formality, A box ticking exercise, Nothing to worry about," etc and so on, on the web car selling sites which are appearing daily. In my opinion this is deliberate misrepresentation and the buyers need to understand that this is just pure blarney and simply untrue.
If you have personal experience of this process and have found a simple way through this process then it would be very helpful if we could all hear how this can be done. In my experience from the registrations that I have attempted (I register about 5 cars a year) it no longer can and the game has changed.
I agree with extensively modified or previously unregistered kit cars definitely, but that seems a very different kettle of fish to me, this seems like it's just a generic already registered production car that needs it's engine swap declared. Bar some mount tinkerage the v6's literally drop in pretty much. There's no huge shell chopping or subframe grafting. I know what you mean about registering a car, but this doesn't need that, it's already registered and road legal previously, it simply needs it's new engine number and capacity supplied to the DVLA with the correct independent 3rd part verification from what I can see.
Edited by D4MJT on Wednesday 11th June 20:07
D4MJT said:
Steffan said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. From my experience personally of trying to register heavily modifies cars and unregistered kit cars requiring registration with questionable parts fitted from unidentified cars without provenance following the changes in the DVLA requirements post IVA this is now virtually impossible.
There has been a fundamental shift in the requirements of the DVLA on such cars. Which explains the plethora of unfinished heavily modified car and kit cars being advertised as "Easily registerable, Just a formality, A box ticking exercise, Nothing to worry about," etc and so on, on the web car selling sites which are appearing daily. In my opinion this is deliberate misrepresentation and the buyers need to understand that this is just pure blarney and simply untrue.
If you have personal experience of this process and have found a simple way through this process then it would be very helpful if we could all hear how this can be done. In my experience from the registrations that I have attempted (I register about 5 cars a year) it no longer can and the game has changed.
I'm actually going through the process myself currently. I've supplied the engine number etc of my new engine, and the DVLA have written back to me asking for a confirmation of the engine number and chassis number from an indecent 3rd party, whether it be a dealer, an independent garage etc. it's not completed yet so I'll let you know how I get on, but it seems ok thus far.There has been a fundamental shift in the requirements of the DVLA on such cars. Which explains the plethora of unfinished heavily modified car and kit cars being advertised as "Easily registerable, Just a formality, A box ticking exercise, Nothing to worry about," etc and so on, on the web car selling sites which are appearing daily. In my opinion this is deliberate misrepresentation and the buyers need to understand that this is just pure blarney and simply untrue.
If you have personal experience of this process and have found a simple way through this process then it would be very helpful if we could all hear how this can be done. In my experience from the registrations that I have attempted (I register about 5 cars a year) it no longer can and the game has changed.
I agree with extensively modified or previously unregistered kit cars definitely, but that seems a very different kettle of fish to me, this seems like it's just a generic already registered production car that needs it's engine swap declared. Bar some mount tinkerage the v6's literally drop in pretty much. There's no huge shell chopping or subframe grafting. I know what you mean about registering a car, but this doesn't need that, it's already registered and road legal previously, it simply needs it's new engine number and capacity supplied to the DVLA with the correct independent 3rd part verification from what I can see.
Edited by D4MJT on We11th June 20:07
Then there is the question of how the work has been done and the adequacy thereof. Visual inspection might assist but what about the weight changes etc all of which require suspension modifications. Then there is the question of whether the brakes have been uprated and the drive shafts and other drive train components uprated accordingly.
I cannot see this as a simple process and I cannot see any decent motor engineer seeing it as a simple process. The proof of the pudding will be whether the car goes back on the road unregistered in its current form. I suspect it will, if in fact, the car gets back on the road at all.
Nothing dodgy about this Sylva but it's been up a couple of times with no interest. The seller states 'COME'S WITH 12 MONTHS MOT, NOT ROAD LEGAL BUT QUICK VISIT TOO DVSA (FORMALLY VOSA) WILL PUT YOU ON THE ROAD AS WAS BUILT TO ROAD SPEC.'
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
rovermorris999 said:
Nothing dodgy about this Sylva but it's been up a couple of times with no interest. The seller states 'COME'S WITH 12 MONTHS MOT, NOT ROAD LEGAL BUT QUICK VISIT TOO DVSA (FORMALLY VOSA) WILL PUT YOU ON THE ROAD AS WAS BUILT TO ROAD SPEC.'
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
Depends on your definition of easy I suppose. At least it's a modern kit so is actually possible to IVA without a complete redesign.If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
D4MJT said:
I agree with extensively modified or previously unregistered kit cars definitely, but that seems a very different kettle of fish to me, this seems like it's just a generic already registered production car that needs it's engine swap declared. Bar some mount tinkerage the v6's literally drop in pretty much. There's no huge shell chopping or subframe grafting. I know what you mean about registering a car, but this doesn't need that, it's already registered and road legal previously, it simply needs it's new engine number and capacity supplied to the DVLA with the correct independent 3rd part verification from what I can see.
From what I've heard the difficulty of registering engine swaps can vary greatly. If the DVLA feel like making your life difficult they want a lot of documentation - probably documentation which simply doesn't exist for this car. Steffan said:
A great deal depends on the provenance of the donor car itself and then the separate question of the provenance of the parts used. Quite how a purchaser could satisfy himself on such questions about such a car I have no idea.
Then there is the question of how the work has been done and the adequacy thereof. Visual inspection might assist but what about the weight changes etc all of which require suspension modifications. Then there is the question of whether the brakes have been uprated and the drive shafts and other drive train components uprated accordingly.
I cannot see this as a simple process and I cannot see any decent motor engineer seeing it as a simple process. The proof of the pudding will be whether the car goes back on the road unregistered in its current form. I suspect it will, if in fact, the car gets back on the road at all.
While I agree with the points you're making Steffan, especially with regards to upgraded brakes / suspension etc if I was going to drive the car myself, the DVLA simply aren't interested. The only details they hold on file for this car will be the chassis VIN number and engine number, as well as fuel type. I've modified many a car myself with different brake upgrades, suspension etc and the DVLA don't require notification. The mods need declaring with your insurance company obviously, but from what I can see the only thing that needs declaring to the DVLA on this car is the engine. Then there is the question of how the work has been done and the adequacy thereof. Visual inspection might assist but what about the weight changes etc all of which require suspension modifications. Then there is the question of whether the brakes have been uprated and the drive shafts and other drive train components uprated accordingly.
I cannot see this as a simple process and I cannot see any decent motor engineer seeing it as a simple process. The proof of the pudding will be whether the car goes back on the road unregistered in its current form. I suspect it will, if in fact, the car gets back on the road at all.
It definitely appears to be a simple process so far to me, the DVLA have sent me a letter asking for proof that the engine I've told them about is fitted to the car I've told them about, and the letter clarifies various ways in which you can fulfill this. The letter also states that if you have already bought a car with a previously undeclared swap, they will accept a letter from the vehicle manufacturer (sourced via a dealer) that confirms the engine number and capacity.
I'll definitely post back with how I get on with the process, but it seems straight forward thus far.
hairykrishna said:
From what I've heard the difficulty of registering engine swaps can vary greatly. If the DVLA feel like making your life difficult they want a lot of documentation - probably documentation which simply doesn't exist for this car.
I've also heard a lot of this from various people before I started work on my conversion, but so far everyone I've spoken with who actually owns a car they've converted, seems to be of the general consensus that it's fairly straightforward.Obviously I'm sure this isn't the case if you've converted your corsa into a twin engined 4wd monster, or decided to make an Astra RWD with a skyline lump, but with the case of a simple engine swap using a manufacturer engine that pretty much bolts in, it seems straightforward.
rovermorris999 said:
Nothing dodgy about this Sylva but it's been up a couple of times with no interest. The seller states 'COME'S WITH 12 MONTHS MOT, NOT ROAD LEGAL BUT QUICK VISIT TOO DVSA (FORMALLY VOSA) WILL PUT YOU ON THE ROAD AS WAS BUILT TO ROAD SPEC.'
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
Common sense in prospective buyers should recognise that if it was that easy the seller would do it immediately. The Sylva is a class kit (was) and Regisration would be possible if there is some provenance for the build thus far,..,...... That is really the critical question and I think that the evapouration of interest in the car following the earlier sales confirms the reality of the provenance being suspect. In which case it may well not be registerable. I regularly see cases of old unregisterd kit cars which the DVLA will not register, certainly not at an economic cost. Up to the prospective buyers but with the new rules I think that the registration process of old outdated unregistered kits is a minefield and definitely best avoided.If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
rovermorris999 said:
Nothing dodgy about this Sylva but it's been up a couple of times with no interest. The seller states 'COME'S WITH 12 MONTHS MOT, NOT ROAD LEGAL BUT QUICK VISIT TOO DVSA (FORMALLY VOSA) WILL PUT YOU ON THE ROAD AS WAS BUILT TO ROAD SPEC.'
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
How can an unregistered car have 12 months MOT?If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
Toaster Pilot said:
rovermorris999 said:
Nothing dodgy about this Sylva but it's been up a couple of times with no interest. The seller states 'COME'S WITH 12 MONTHS MOT, NOT ROAD LEGAL BUT QUICK VISIT TOO DVSA (FORMALLY VOSA) WILL PUT YOU ON THE ROAD AS WAS BUILT TO ROAD SPEC.'
If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
How can an unregistered car have 12 months MOT?If it's so easy why not do it? It'd sell so much easier.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203772375?ssPageName=...
For bloody Hell's sake!!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mk1-escort-WRXICO-4x4-tu...
Brilliant car, great idea; superbly executed.
Good luck getting that SVA'd.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mk1-escort-WRXICO-4x4-tu...
Brilliant car, great idea; superbly executed.
DVLA said:
Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registration 07 December 1972
Year of manufacture 1972
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1600cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour WHITE
Vehicle type approval Not available
Escort body modified to take a WRX floor, WRX suspension, WRX engine, WRX gearbox, etc; etc. Date of first registration 07 December 1972
Year of manufacture 1972
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1600cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour WHITE
Vehicle type approval Not available
Good luck getting that SVA'd.
Liquid Knight said:
For bloody Hell's sake!!!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mk1-escort-WRXICO-4x4-tu...
Brilliant car, great idea; superbly executed.
Good luck getting that SVA'd.
Indeed: certainly no easy task and probably impossible. It would be interesting to try providing you have both the money and time. Huge amount of effort in this conversion what a pity the builder did not address the issue of getting the conversion road legal. I doubt it will sell which is a pity but I doubt if the car could be got through IVA. I would expect reappearance from time to time.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mk1-escort-WRXICO-4x4-tu...
Brilliant car, great idea; superbly executed.
DVLA said:
Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registration 07 December 1972
Year of manufacture 1972
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1600cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour WHITE
Vehicle type approval Not available
Escort body modified to take a WRX floor, WRX suspension, WRX engine, WRX gearbox, etc; etc. Date of first registration 07 December 1972
Year of manufacture 1972
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1600cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour WHITE
Vehicle type approval Not available
Good luck getting that SVA'd.
gowmonster said:
see all the cars that were in chop shop with berni and lipu, did they all have to get iva/svas? can you legitimatley change as much as what that escort has had and still be an escort?
None of the Chop Shop cars ever went through an SVA. The Surfmobile VW Polo thing sits in a warehouse outside Milton Keynes, the Volvo off roader was used on a private estate until it snapped. The eco-car was scrapped as was the SAAB gangster car and the Capri Hotrod has not been taxed since the show was aired. They are described as Show Prop vehicles and had special permission to be filmed on the road. Now they can't be.
The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.
It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
gowmonster said:
see all the cars that were in chop shop with berni and lipu, did they all have to get iva/svas? can you legitimatley change as much as what that escort has had and still be an escort?
I only saw the Jools Holland Rover. For cars with a separate chassis such as the that Rover P4, the rules are strict for chassis mods, but as I understand it, pretty much anything can be done to the body. Apparently, the Saab they did for Martin Kemp was destroyed by a monster truck (on purpose) presumably because it had no actual use/value. I don't know about any of the others.aka_kerrly said:
The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.
It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
Q-plate perhaps but I don't think it would pass the SVA. It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
Liquid Knight said:
aka_kerrly said:
The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.
It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
Q-plate perhaps but I don't think it would pass the SVA. It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.
IVA now. Same principle, but different in operation.
This has potential to be fun...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-fiesta-puma-engined...
...still a 1.25 on the log book.
This could be an absolute riot to drive.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Multispace-full-...
I've sent messages to both asking why the modifications have not been declared and if they proof the conversions have been done professionally and evidence of the donor vehicles legitimacy.
I have also suggested they reply on this thread if they are members of the forum and replies sent via eBay will be posted here.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-fiesta-puma-engined...
...still a 1.25 on the log book.
This could be an absolute riot to drive.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Multispace-full-...
DVLA said:
Vehicle make CITROEN
Date of first registration 28 September 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1360cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Taxed and due
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
Grrrrrr! Date of first registration 28 September 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1360cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Taxed and due
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
I've sent messages to both asking why the modifications have not been declared and if they proof the conversions have been done professionally and evidence of the donor vehicles legitimacy.
I have also suggested they reply on this thread if they are members of the forum and replies sent via eBay will be posted here.
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