Still a £$&£$ on the log book

[Liquid Knight]

Kitchski said:

Liquid Knight said:

aka_kerrly said:

The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.

It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.

Q-plate perhaps but I don't think it would pass the SVA.

Especially as the SVA test was ditched years ago

IVA now. Same principle, but different in operation.

Slip of the keyboard there.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Kitchski said:

Liquid Knight said:

aka_kerrly said:

The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.

It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.

Q-plate perhaps but I don't think it would pass the SVA.

Especially as the SVA test was ditched years ago

IVA now. Same principle, but different in operation.

Slip of the keyboard there.

You are not alone in that, I still refer to SVA by mistake on occasion. If this car could be got through IVA I agree a Q plate would almost certainly be mandatory. Which would not improve the value. Personally I doubt if much provenience exists for the many parts used, nor do I anticipate receipts thereto and I doubt it will ever be legally on the road. Someone may run it as a escort but if ever the car is stopped it will be VOR and scrap time. Pity because I recognise how much effort has gone into that car. I doubt it will actually sell.

[Liquid Knight]

This one...



...was at a car show my Panda and attended last year. It was built around a modified Escort floorpan. Not much more work involved than the usual rally conversion.



The car kept its original identity because it retained 90% of the original shell. All properly certified and legitimate.

https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/

[Liquid Knight]

Me said:

Why hasn't the log book been changed?
Do you have a receipt or documentary proof the engine conversion was carried out professionally and the donor was legitimate?

All the best

Fiesta Seller said:

Hi I have never got round to changing on the log book and it was changed by me and my dad who have done about 5 of the conversions in the past thanks

Says it all really.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Me said:

Why hasn't the log book been changed?
Do you have a receipt or documentary proof the engine conversion was carried out professionally and the donor was legitimate?

All the best

Fiesta Seller said:

Hi I have never got round to changing on the log book and it was changed by me and my dad who have done about 5 of the conversions in the past thanks

Says it all really.

Indeed it does. Complete bks.

[B'stard Child]

Kitchski said:

Liquid Knight said:

aka_kerrly said:

The WRX/Escort is an interesting one since the car is pre 73 there is no VED to pay but nothing changes it from being essentially two cars blended into one and I very much doubt there is much if any evidence of the donor car identity.

It would be great to have that as a off road rally/trck weapon.

Q-plate perhaps but I don't think it would pass the SVA.

Especially as the SVA test was ditched years ago

IVA now. Same principle, but different in operation.

What I'm not aware has been answered is what happens if the conversion pre-dates SVA IVA etc etc

[aka_kerrly]

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

Me said:

Why hasn't the log book been changed?
Do you have a receipt or documentary proof the engine conversion was carried out professionally and the donor was legitimate?

All the best

Fiesta Seller said:

Hi I have never got round to changing on the log book and it was changed by me and my dad who have done about 5 of the conversions in the past thanks

Says it all really.

Indeed it does. Complete bks.

Worth noting that whilst I disagree with the tax dodging I would stress that just because a conversion was done by home mechanics doesn't mean it's badly installed/dangerous and the owner is a ****.

[Steffan]

aka_kerrly said:

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

Me said:

Why hasn't the log book been changed?
Do you have a receipt or documentary proof the engine conversion was carried out professionally and the donor was legitimate?

All the best

Fiesta Seller said:

Hi I have never got round to changing on the log book and it was changed by me and my dad who have done about 5 of the conversions in the past thanks

Says it all really.

Indeed it does. Complete bks.

Worth noting that whilst I disagree with the tax dodging I would stress that just because a conversion was done by home mechanics doesn't mean it's badly installed/dangerous and the owner is a ****.

indeed it des not. However deliberately misleading Buyers with meaningless platitudes enticing foolish buyers confirming how easy the registration will be does call into question the integrity of the owner. In this case it will be well nigh impossible. Equally suggesting using an unregistered modified car OTR whilst being fully aware that this is illegal, dangerous and viods the insurance is equally foolish. That is why these adverts are very bad news for all real enthusiasts who want road legal drive able cars. There is no way such a vehicle can be easily registered if in fact it could be registered at all. The seller is misrepresenting the sale. Not good at all.

[Revol]

thegreenhell said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261499239214?

"The car was/is (currently still a 1.6 on the logbook) a 2000 Peugeot 206 XS in metallic silver, and in 2010 it had a professionally done engine conversion to the all-alloy PSA ES series 3ltr 24 valve V6 engine, as found in the mid-engine Clio V6, the Venturi Atlantique 300 supercar, and the 650bhp Pescarolo C60 LeMans racers.

"Despite the beastly performance, it is 100% road legal..."

Thought I'd ask about this beauty:

Dodgy eBay seller said:

Engine CC on the logbook has nothing to do with legality, but if you want to change the V5 to 3ltr you just do it when you sign your name as the new owner, free and takes seconds, same as on any car.

Insurance totally depends on the person. You could, in theory at least, insure it as a 1.6. Or like anyone else with an engine conversion, you declare all mods when you insure the car.

So it's all ok then and nothing to worry about.......

[Steffan]

Revol said:

thegreenhell said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261499239214?

"The car was/is (currently still a 1.6 on the logbook) a 2000 Peugeot 206 XS in metallic silver, and in 2010 it had a professionally done engine conversion to the all-alloy PSA ES series 3ltr 24 valve V6 engine, as found in the mid-engine Clio V6, the Venturi Atlantique 300 supercar, and the 650bhp Pescarolo C60 LeMans racers.

"Despite the beastly performance, it is 100% road legal..."

Thought I'd ask about this beauty:

Dodgy eBay seller said:

Engine CC on the logbook has nothing to do with legality, but if you want to change the V5 to 3ltr you just do it when you sign your name as the new owner, free and takes seconds, same as on any car.

Insurance totally depends on the person. You could, in theory at least, insure it as a 1.6. Or like anyone else with an engine conversion, you declare all mods when you insure the car.

So it's all ok then and nothing to worry about.......

Quite. I cannot see any explanation for such disgraceful misrepresentation Except for unbridled greed. Such cars are not road worthy require registration which will be well nigh impossible and are money pits for the unwary. Best avoided.

[thegreenhell]

Steffan said:

Quite. I cannot see any explanation for such disgraceful misrepresentation Except for unbridled greed.

Don't discount the theorem of Hanlon's Razor.

[Steffan]

thegreenhell said:

Steffan said:

Quite. I cannot see any explanation for such disgraceful misrepresentation Except for unbridled greed.

Don't discount the theorem of Hanlon's Razor.

We live and learn. Well I do more than most because my brain is somewhat dimmed. Indeed it could be stupidity but focused stupidity representing by some accident the best method of gain personally seems to me to be best explained by the essential motivation being selfish greed itself. I think this is both calculated and deliberate.

[Northernchimp]

Check out this ...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Steffan]

Northernchimp said:

Check out this ...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Difficult because it has been removed.

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-CITROEN-C4-VTR-TRAC...

Nice 1.6 V6 here.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-CITROEN-C4-VTR-TRAC...

Nice 1.6 V6 here.

Quite. The absolute lack of concern by the seller that the car cannot be legally used OTR without major requirements of the DVLA being met and engineers report and being roadworthy which is a real challenge and having provenance on all the parts used and original donor vehicles there is nothing to worry about. But the seller manages to point out it is MOT'd. Another one to avoid.

[1878]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-145-/27153318...

"The car is originally a 1.8, and is still stated so on the log book. However, it's been converted to the 2.0 twin spark engine.(Up to the buyer to change the look book)"

[Liquid Knight]

1878 said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-145-/27153318...

"The car is originally a 1.8, and is still stated so on the log book. However, it's been converted to the 2.0 twin spark engine.(Up to the buyer to change the look book)"

That's been relisted every couple of weeks for the last six months. I can't think why it hasn't sold.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

1878 said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-145-/27153318...

"The car is originally a 1.8, and is still stated so on the log book. However, it's been converted to the 2.0 twin spark engine.(Up to the buyer to change the look book)"

That's been relisted every couple of weeks for the last six months. I can't think why it hasn't sold.

I did enjoy the dry humour. .

Doubtless the lack of provenance on the engine fitted is the downside or/and the actual standard of work. Then again Alfa Romeo's are a very unusual choice most of the time.

[Liquid Knight]

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

1878 said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-145-/27153318...

"The car is originally a 1.8, and is still stated so on the log book. However, it's been converted to the 2.0 twin spark engine.(Up to the buyer to change the look book)"

That's been relisted every couple of weeks for the last six months. I can't think why it hasn't sold.

I did enjoy the dry humour. .

Doubtless the lack of provenance on the engine fitted is the downside or/and the actual standard of work. Then again Alfa Romeo's are a very unusual choice most of the time.

I love them and the 145 Cloverleaf is one of the most under rated hot hatches of all time. But why swap a 1.8 for 2.0? 130bhp for 155bhp. I would have stuck a V6 in there.

The 1.8 is basically the same as a Cloverleaf only the suspension is 30mm higher and less stiff, the brakes are the same as the Fiat Coupe so Brembo upgrades are a parts bin find. If the 1.8 blew it would be due to neglect or poor driving so that sets the bench mark for the conversion. The fact the log book wasn't updated punctuates the possibility. Shame as it's a nice car in a great colour and loads of potential. Again one I would consider buying if it wasn't forsaken by the price of a stamp.