Still a £$&£$ on the log book
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Mr2Mike said:
That's not actually true. Insurance companies, by law, still retain liability for third party claims in this kind of situation.
yes the insurer would pay out and then (try) and recover the costs from the driver/insured (I know a young driver who will most likely never own his own house due to this!)Liquid Knight said:
Still a 1.4 GTa on the look book...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-ROVER-METRO-114-GTA...
...but now fitted with a 1.8 K series.
Really want one of these!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1996-ROVER-METRO-114-GTA...
...but now fitted with a 1.8 K series.
I had this problem with a Ginetta kit car. Sold to me as a 1.6 Pinto. Had a 5 speed Type Nine and felt "sprightly". Hmmm, thought I as the tacho bounced in the red and blue smoke tainted the air behind. This is a two litre.
Underneath and a glance at the side of the block revealed a '2.0' stamp. I took it to my local, friendly independent and asked "Is this a two-litre?". "Yes mate" replied the man with many years in the trade.
I informed my insurance company. The girl said thanks, changed the details and did nothing to the premium. They didn't seem to care.
I tried to inform the DVLA but the process would have cost quite a bit of money and time. I had no details of the conversion, donor car or anything really so would have had to obtain an engineer's report.
It wasn't worth the hassle so I carried on driving it; at least my insurance was valid. Car ended up being exported.
Underneath and a glance at the side of the block revealed a '2.0' stamp. I took it to my local, friendly independent and asked "Is this a two-litre?". "Yes mate" replied the man with many years in the trade.
I informed my insurance company. The girl said thanks, changed the details and did nothing to the premium. They didn't seem to care.
I tried to inform the DVLA but the process would have cost quite a bit of money and time. I had no details of the conversion, donor car or anything really so would have had to obtain an engineer's report.
It wasn't worth the hassle so I carried on driving it; at least my insurance was valid. Car ended up being exported.
I drive a Corsa and thus through various forums come into contact with multitudes of people who do this. It's hard to avoid in those circles. Nowadays I just leave it. Apart from the fact that arguing with someone who cannot even understand the point you're trying to make is futile, they'll come to understand quickly enough when something goes wrong.
Most of them even can't comprehend why mine has the original 1.2..... partly because I have little desire to make a car I bought for practicality and saving money less reliable and more expensive to run, and partly because the last time I committed fraud was claiming I was 18 in pubs when I was underage.
Most of them even can't comprehend why mine has the original 1.2..... partly because I have little desire to make a car I bought for practicality and saving money less reliable and more expensive to run, and partly because the last time I committed fraud was claiming I was 18 in pubs when I was underage.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vw-golf-mk4-1-4-logbook-...
1.4 Golf - Fully comprehensive with £200 excess... £612
1.8 20V Turbo Golf - Fully comprehensive with £200 excess... £1,340
I can't think why these are never declared.
1.4 Golf - Fully comprehensive with £200 excess... £612
1.8 20V Turbo Golf - Fully comprehensive with £200 excess... £1,340
I can't think why these are never declared.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Astra-2-0-saab-turbo-con...
1.6 Astra almost being powered by a SAAB turbo.
1.6 Astra almost being powered by a SAAB turbo.
The "200" bhp Clio 1.2 Extreme 3 16v, currently fitted with either a 1.8 or 2.0 angine (but the owner doesn't know which 
)
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/mot...
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Dave_ said:
Tin hat on but is it really crime of the century?
As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Exactly, I dont understand either. As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Of all the things going on in this country to get your knickers in a twist over undeclared engine swaps seems a tad pathetic.
I hope you all drive according to the letter of the law and dont watch music videos on Youtube via any other medium besides VEVO, that would be copyright infringement you know.
Edited by KM666 on Friday 18th January 23:47
KM666 said:
Dave_ said:
Tin hat on but is it really crime of the century?
As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Exactly, I dont understand either. As long as they have some form of insurance it makes no difference to anybody else and if i could get away with paying less road tax i would, its a rip off.
Of all the things going on in this country to get your knickers in a twist over undeclared engine swaps seems a tad pathetic.
I hope you all drive according to the letter of the law and dont watch music videos on YouTube via any other medium besides VEVO, that would be copyright infringement you know.
Like my "Ringing Kits on eBay" thread this is supposed to be helpful. Unless you like the Renault Clio with the mystery engine, pay £1,800 for it, register the engine with the DVLA when you send the log book off and lose everything because the engine turns out to be from a stolen car. Oh and there's a 50/50 you could end up with a criminal record for receiving stolen goods as we all know "Ignorance is no defense".
Liquid Knight said:
The reason for this thread isn't to be the fun Police. I have done several engine swaps in my time and have no issue with them whatsoever but, I have also seen people lose their cars and money because the undeclared engine turned out to be from a stolen vehicle. I only post links on this thread after asking the vendor if they have supporting documents for the donor vehicle and the answer is either no or something less polite.
Like my "Ringing Kits on eBay" thread this is supposed to be helpful. Unless you like the Renault Clio with the mystery engine, pay £1,800 for it, register the engine with the DVLA when you send the log book off and lose everything because the engine turns out to be from a stolen car. Oh and there's a 50/50 you could end up with a criminal record for receiving stolen goods as we all know "Ignorance is no defense".
I'd never considered that the doner engine might be stolen. A worrying thought. I wonder how legit used car parts ordered online are in that case. Like my "Ringing Kits on eBay" thread this is supposed to be helpful. Unless you like the Renault Clio with the mystery engine, pay £1,800 for it, register the engine with the DVLA when you send the log book off and lose everything because the engine turns out to be from a stolen car. Oh and there's a 50/50 you could end up with a criminal record for receiving stolen goods as we all know "Ignorance is no defense".
Never buy a car that's had an engine swap without documentary proof that then engine is legitimate, either a receipt for the donor engine or vehicle and never buy a vehicle if the numbers and capacities don't match on the log book. At least that way your bases are covered.
As for buying parts. I always either take the part from the car myself at my local scrap yard or use well established breakers if I have to order via the internet. Unless it's a very rare car I never have used part imported. During this economic depression people can't afford to buy new parts so the market is becoming hectic with second hand values going up all the time, especially with classic cars and parts due to new ones being unavailable. This is golden opportunity for thieves as due to budget cuts there are hardly any Police to deal with them and not everyone is as careful buying parts as most.
As for buying parts. I always either take the part from the car myself at my local scrap yard or use well established breakers if I have to order via the internet. Unless it's a very rare car I never have used part imported. During this economic depression people can't afford to buy new parts so the market is becoming hectic with second hand values going up all the time, especially with classic cars and parts due to new ones being unavailable. This is golden opportunity for thieves as due to budget cuts there are hardly any Police to deal with them and not everyone is as careful buying parts as most.
Ringing kits are bad of course but come on ffs fitting a redtop into your mums old 1.2 nova is practically a rite of passage for a petrol head.
Sometimes I wonder if I've stumbled onto mumsnet with some of the stuff people get wound up about on here! Big deal if the dvla don't know it at least makes having some insurance more possible for young drivers rather than risking none at all. Good luck to anyone that does it. If its gets discovered by an inspector then good luck to the insurance company but highly unlikely.
Peoples energy would be better invested in finding people with untaxed or uninsured cars.
Sometimes I wonder if I've stumbled onto mumsnet with some of the stuff people get wound up about on here! Big deal if the dvla don't know it at least makes having some insurance more possible for young drivers rather than risking none at all. Good luck to anyone that does it. If its gets discovered by an inspector then good luck to the insurance company but highly unlikely.
Peoples energy would be better invested in finding people with untaxed or uninsured cars.
Liquid Knight said:
So the DVLA now want an engineers report if you swap engines. Could this be the excuse for insurance fraud these pillocks have been waiting for?
This is nothing new. In 1989 my 10year old Mk2 Granada 2.3 lunched its timing gear and killed the engine. I swapped it out for a 2.8 motor from a similar car. I had to notify DVLA and submit an engineers report to my insurers. skene said:
Am I the only one who thinks that the OP comes across really badly in this thread?
Nope. 
I don't take any offense by it. Different people having different opinions is what an open forum is about. If one person see this thread and walks away from buying a car because the engine swap isn't recorded properly then it's a job well done.
The chap I mentioned earlier lost £5,000 and his car because he didn't.
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