Still a £$&£$ on the log book

[AlexRS2782]

Twin engine saxo vts - excellent bit of fun I'm sure but still a 1.6 on the log book.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-saxo-vts-280bhp-...

Built by a "fully qualified performance mechanic" who "builds race cars for a living" but he's conveniently forgotten to declare it so it's still a 1.6 on the logbook. But evidently it has a fresh 12 months mot and is "totally road legal".

Not even sure how you'd go about declaring that tbh, but I'm sure if would be a good laugh on track, 1/4 mile

Oh and evidently it's also ideal for an "infusiast", whatever one of those is

[Steffan]

AlexRS2782 said:

Twin engine saxo vts - excellent bit of fun I'm sure but still a 1.6 on the log book.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-saxo-vts-280bhp-...

Built by a "fully qualified performance mechanic" who "builds race cars for a living" but he's conveniently forgotten to declare it so it's still a 1.6 on the logbook. But evidently it has a fresh 12 months mot and is "totally road legal".

Not even sure how you'd go about declaring that tbh, but I'm sure if would be a good laugh on track, 1/4 mile

Oh and evidently it's also ideal for an "infusiast", whatever one of those is

It should not have an MOT and I would be interested to know how that was achieved. Was the actual car tested? I am very doubtful whether this could ever be registered I can only think the DVLA would have a field day.

One to avoid.

[Liquid Knight]

MGB GT...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MGB-GT-/121374729977?pt=...

...project with rubber bumper (post-74) mounts cut back so you can fit a chrome grille...



...where the rubber bumper MGB badges are supposed to be on the rear pillars there's signs of filler...

eBay listing said:

Tax exempt

Oh it has a log book and chassis plate from a 1970 car.

[Liquid Knight]

Brilliant idea, built to a high standard...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lada-riva-fitted-with-st...

DVLA said:

Vehicle make LADA
Date of first registration 18 December 1989
Year of manufacture 1989
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1198cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No Vehicle status
Tax not due
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Brilliant idea, built to a high standard...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lada-riva-fitted-with-st...

DVLA said:

Vehicle make LADA
Date of first registration 18 December 1989
Year of manufacture 1989
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1198cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No Vehicle status
Tax not due
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available

But not registered in the changed form and presumably running OTE as a 1200 cc Lada apparently in that form. The quality of the build does look good but realistically can anyone be certain that the car will meet the DVLA requirements? If not it cannot be used legally OTR in that form. Never mind the insurance question regarding whether the car is currently insured as a 1200cc Lada. I leave the readers to decide that one!

[Liquid Knight]

Here's a nice blue, disabled registered, 1998cc Diesel van...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ford-transit-v8-custom-v...

DVLA said:

Vehicle details
Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registration 27 March 2002
Year of manufacture 2002
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1998cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type HEAVY OIL
Tax class DISABLED
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour BLUE

...that's red, slammed, stanced and fitted with a V8.

[Liquid Knight]

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

Brilliant idea, built to a high standard...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lada-riva-fitted-with-st...

DVLA said:

Vehicle make LADA
Date of first registration 18 December 1989
Year of manufacture 1989
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1198cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No Vehicle status
Tax not due
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available

But not registered in the changed form and presumably running OTE as a 1200 cc Lada apparently in that form. The quality of the build does look good but realistically can anyone be certain that the car will meet the DVLA requirements? If not it cannot be used legally OTR in that form. Never mind the insurance question regarding whether the car is currently insured as a 1200cc Lada. I leave the readers to decide that one!

eBay reply said:

Hi, to be honest the changeover on the logbook was just one of those things that I just never got round to changing. I don't think it would need an SVA test. When friends have done engine swaps on there cars, they normally send their logbook off with the new weight of the car and the changes to the logbook regarding the engine size.
I don't have any documents for the engine as I just brought it from a ford breaker. The engine number is still in block.

Thanks

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

Steffan said:

Liquid Knight said:

Brilliant idea, built to a high standard...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lada-riva-fitted-with-st...

DVLA said:

Vehicle make LADA
Date of first registration 18 December 1989
Year of manufacture 1989
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1198cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No Vehicle status
Tax not due
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval Not available

But not registered in the changed form and presumably running OTE as a 1200 cc Lada apparently in that form. The quality of the build does look good but realistically can anyone be certain that the car will meet the DVLA requirements? If not it cannot be used legally OTR in that form. Never mind the insurance question regarding whether the car is currently insured as a 1200cc Lada. I leave the readers to decide that one!

eBay reply said:

Hi, to be honest the changeover on the logbook was just one of those things that I just never got round to changing. I don't think it would need an SVA test. When friends have done engine swaps on there cars, they normally send their logbook off with the new weight of the car and the changes to the logbook regarding the engine size.
I don't have any documents for the engine as I just brought it from a ford breaker. The engine number is still in block.

Thanks

Blandishments designed to blind the prospective purchasers that "I never bothered to get the car properly registered" actually means "I have no idea how to register this car and I kept the car on the road in this form because I could evade road tax and insurance costs by doing that ".

I am not surprised that he does not know how to get this registered he has no provenance on the engine or the build whatsoever no receipts and no documentation. Good luck with that! I sincerely hope every enthusiast avoids such incorrectly registered cars because the registration game has permanently changed post IVA and kit car enthusiasts need to understand the implications. IMO the car is dead. I doubt if anyone get this one through which is a pity because it would be an interesting build. And a massively difficult job. InI reality it is unregisterable.

[D4MJT]

Steffan said:

Blandishments designed to blind the prospective purchasers that "I never bothered to get the car properly registered" actually means "I have no idea how to register this car and I kept the car on the road in this form because I could evade road tax and insurance costs by doing that ".

I am not surprised that he does not know how to get this registered he has no provenance on the engine or the build whatsoever no receipts and no documentation. Good luck with that! I sincerely hope every enthusiast avoids such incorrectly registered cars because the registration game has permanently changed post IVA and kit car enthusiasts need to understand the implications. IMO the car is dead. I doubt if anyone get this one through which is a pity because it would be an interesting build. And a massively difficult job. InI reality it is unregisterable.

Steffan, I am genuinely curious, why do you think that the provenance of the engine is so important?

[Steffan]

D4MJT said:

Steffan said:

Blandishments designed to blind the prospective purchasers that "I never bothered to get the car properly registered" actually means "I have no idea how to register this car and I kept the car on the road in this form because I could evade road tax and insurance costs by doing that ".

I am not surprised that he does not know how to get this registered he has no provenance on the engine or the build whatsoever no receipts and no documentation. Good luck with that! I sincerely hope every enthusiast avoids such incorrectly registered cars because the registration game has permanently changed post IVA and kit car enthusiasts need to understand the implications. IMO the car is dead. I doubt if anyone get this one through which is a pity because it would be an interesting build. And a massively difficult job. InI reality it is unregisterable.

Steffan, I am genuinely curious, why do you think that the provenance of the engine is so important?

Because if it is a stolen engine the owner could be in deep do do even though he did not know that. Equally unless the provenance can be proved absolutely then as I know to my cost registration of the modified kit cars when the parts used are not supported by paperwork can be a very difficult process.

The attitude at the DVLA has changed post IVA and every entusuast needs to be aware of that change. There are enough problems in building and registering a kit car without adding to the complexity with inadequately identified and supported. The days of successfully swooping an engine without registering the change have gone and will not return.

[Liquid Knight]

A front wheel drive engine converted to run in a rear wheel drive car with custom made mounts and alterations to plumbing and so on. It would need an engineers report at the very least and it the gearbox tunnel has been altered to fit the type nine or MT75 Ford box then it could need an IVA.

[Steffan]

Liquid Knight said:

A front wheel drive engine converted to run in a rear wheel drive car with custom made mounts and alterations to plumbing and so on. It would need an engineers report at the very least and it the gearbox tunnel has been altered to fit the type nine or MT75 Ford box then it could need an IVA.

Indeed it could need an IVA and IMO almost certainly will need IVA, for all the reasons stated above. I suspect the owner also knows the reality of the case but is just trying to get what he can for the car with trite blandishments. That is the reality with many of these inadequately documented unregistered conversions.

I doubt this car will ever be registered correctly. The work involved will be too complex anf far too expensive. Totally uneconomic. Sadly, because the build is unusual and interesting. But the game was permanently changed with IVA on registering modified cars and such unregistered and undocumented builds are worth very little in consequence. YHBW.

[littlebasher]

Teenage suicide machine?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111410478597?_trksid=p20...

[Liquid Knight]

Nice looking 1242cc Panda...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1993-FIAT-PANDA-1242-16V...

DVLA said:

Vehicle details
Vehicle make FIAT
Date of first registration 02 August 1993
Year of manufacture 1993
Cylinder capacity (cc) 999cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour TURQUOISE
Vehicle type approval Not available

my eBay message said:

Engine declaration?

Just did a quick check and the car is still registered as 999cc. Just wondering if you have supporting documentation for the 1242 engine donor as I would like to make the car legitimate before I use her on the road.

All the best

I'll post any reply.

[AlexRS2782]

5 door Saxo with VTR engine conversion.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/99-Citroen-Saxo-1-6-VTR-...

eBay Seller said:

Here we have my 5 door Saxo VTR conversion. Still registered as a 1.1 so cheaper tax and insurance.

[Escy]

Liquid Knight said:

Nice looking 1242cc Panda...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1993-FIAT-PANDA-1242-16V...

DVLA said:

Vehicle details
Vehicle make FIAT
Date of first registration 02 August 1993
Year of manufacture 1993
Cylinder capacity (cc) 999cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PRIVATE/LIGHT GOODS (PLG)
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour TURQUOISE
Vehicle type approval Not available

my eBay message said:

Engine declaration?

Just did a quick check and the car is still registered as 999cc. Just wondering if you have supporting documentation for the 1242 engine donor as I would like to make the car legitimate before I use her on the road.

All the best

I'll post any reply.

Good on you. I bet the Punto engine is stolen, we all know there is a huge demand for a tuned Panda's, hence the big car crime gangs start building them up with stolen bits to improve their margins.

[AlexRS2782]

Not even sure how you'd try explaining this one to the DVLA

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Saxo-VTS-280-bhp...

Citroen Saxo VTS with 1 engine in the front & the other in the rear. Certainly a different approach though

And another Escort RS Turbo that is actually a base model shell 1.3 Bonus - "still logged as 1.3 cheap insurance"

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Escort-Rs-Turbo-logged-a...

Edited by AlexRS2782 on Friday 1st August 02:08

[Jim the Sunderer]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Liquid Knight]

Jim the Sunderer said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Good find Jim.

DVLA said:

Vehicle details

Vehicle make CITROEN
Date of first registration 30 November 2009
Year of manufacture 2009
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1124cc
CO₂Emissions 138 g/km
Fuel type PETROL
Tax class PETROL
CAR Export marker No
Vehicle status Taxed and due
Vehicle colour RED
Vehicle type approval M1

Question asked.

[AlexRS2782]

Saxo West Coast 1.4 with the 1.6 VTR engine:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...

Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:

bellend seller said:

saxo westcoast 1.4 factory vtr replica like a furio. This one has a 1.6 tuned vtr engine in. Group 5 insurance.

If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.

if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)