Still a £$&£$ on the log book

[Liquid Knight]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

[TheJimi]

Liquid Knight said:

My eBay message said:

According to the DVLA Database this is a yellow 1.6 106 not a grey 2.2

Does the car come with the appropriate documentation to make it road legal? As it was built in 2010-2011 (last Taxed in September 2011 and M.O.T expired October 2012) it should have an SVA/IVA certificate. Does it come with supporting proof of purchase of the donor parts including receipts, original donor vehicle log book with the correct engine numbers or JDM import certificate?
Do you have any dynographic evidence of the alleged 300bhp power output? The engine in the photo's looks like a UK Prelude 2.2 V-Tec that were limited to 180bhp for this market. Advertising the car as having 300bhp could be a misrepresentation.

Copyright DVLA.gov

The reply said:

Me Anal.

Car is sold go away and bother someone
That cares. You anal arse.

The documentation that came with it
Surpassed your flimsy attempt at
Knowing what you where talking about. Lol

Get a life you fool

What a way to run a business.

Regal Pawn Ltd

Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 10th January 15:08

I'll be honest, I kinda agree with the seller in his estimation of you.

Your intentions are clearly noble but you come across, particularly on this thread, as being sickeningly self-righteous.

[Liquid Knight]

TheJimi said:

I'll be honest, I kinda agree with the seller in his estimation of you.

Your intentions are clearly noble but you come across, particularly on this thread, as being sickeningly self-righteous.

I was taking the pee a bit with that one.

[hairykrishna]

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

The engine swap's only half done so it's hardly surprising it's not declared yet.

[TheJimi]

hairykrishna said:

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

The engine swap's only half done so it's hardly surprising it's not declared yet.

Also apparently built as a track car, so may well have had no intention of putting it on the road.

Also, where in the ad does it state it is undeclared?

[tr7v8]

Steffan said:

littlebasher said:

Sierra V8

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-FORD-SIERRA-SAPPHIR...

Just not on the V5 !

Perhaps the saddest part is the utter disinenguous ramblings in the advert itself. Illegal in use on the road, liable to be ofroaded if spotted by the Police, running nitrous, totally uninsurable on the road and very probably utterly unsafe because of the wholly inadequate underpinnings using a car never designed for this kind of weight and power.

Avoid absolutely must be the only approach.

Steffan what a load of pony you write. It has Cosworth brakes, uprated suspension, The rover lump weighs probably less than the Pinto boat anchor & is good for around 200-230BHP max. Why is uninsurable? Naughty that he hasn't changed the V5 but having heard the grief that people go through with the DVLA maybe I'm not surprised.

[Steffan]

tr7v8 said:

Steffan said:

littlebasher said:

Sierra V8

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-FORD-SIERRA-SAPPHIR...

Just not on the V5 !

Perhaps the saddest part is the utter disinenguous ramblings in the advert itself. Illegal in use on the road, liable to be ofroaded if spotted by the Police, running nitrous, totally uninsurable on the road and very probably utterly unsafe because of the wholly inadequate underpinnings using a car never designed for this kind of weight and power.

Avoid absolutely must be the only approach.

Steffan what a load of pony you write. It has Cosworth brakes, uprated suspension, The rover lump weighs probably less than the Pinto boat anchor & is good for around 200-230BHP max. Why is uninsurable? Naughty that he hasn't changed the V5 but having heard the grief that people go through with the DVLA maybe I'm not surprised.

The requirement to correctly register modified cars used on the road in the UK is not optional. Unregistered heavily modified cars are very difficult to register currently in accordance with the laws of this country. Driving on the roads in such cars is a criminal offence. You are entitled to your own opinions, but, I would suggest that, deliberately getting involved with driving unregisteted illegal cars, seems to me to be an unsuitable activity. Up to each individual what they take responsibility for, always providing they are prepared to suffer the consequences of those actions. Breaking the law unintentionally is still law breaking but the intent is very different.. Deliberate law breaking is not an activity I wish to pursue.

[tr7v8]

Steffan said:

tr7v8 said:

Steffan said:

littlebasher said:

Sierra V8

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-FORD-SIERRA-SAPPHIR...

Just not on the V5 !

Perhaps the saddest part is the utter disinenguous ramblings in the advert itself. Illegal in use on the road, liable to be ofroaded if spotted by the Police, running nitrous, totally uninsurable on the road and very probably utterly unsafe because of the wholly inadequate underpinnings using a car never designed for this kind of weight and power.

Avoid absolutely must be the only approach.

Steffan what a load of pony you write. It has Cosworth brakes, uprated suspension, The rover lump weighs probably less than the Pinto boat anchor & is good for around 200-230BHP max. Why is uninsurable? Naughty that he hasn't changed the V5 but having heard the grief that people go through with the DVLA maybe I'm not surprised.

The requirement to correctly register modified cars used on the road in the UK is not optional. Unregistered heavily modified cars are very difficult to register currently in accordance with the laws of this country. Driving on the roads in such cars is a criminal offence. You are entitled to your own opinions, but, I would suggest that, deliberately getting involved with driving unregisteted illegal cars, seems to me to be an unsuitable activity. Up to each individual what they take responsibility for, always providing they are prepared to suffer the consequences of those actions. Breaking the law unintentionally is still law breaking but the intent is very different.. Deliberate law breaking is not an activity I wish to pursue.

But it isn't heavily modified, so has no registration changes apart from capacity. 99% of the new bits are straight off a Cosworth. As someone else said the Rover fits on the standard Ford X member. Ford built a V8 in some markets. So why is it illegal? Most of the time I agree with you but this time you're talking bks!

[Steffan]

tr7v8 said:

Steffan said:

tr7v8 said:

Steffan said:

littlebasher said:

Sierra V8

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1992-FORD-SIERRA-SAPPHIR...

Just not on the V5 !

Perhaps the saddest part is the utter disinenguous ramblings in the advert itself. Illegal in use on the road, liable to be ofroaded if spotted by the Police, running nitrous, totally uninsurable on the road and very probably utterly unsafe because of the wholly inadequate underpinnings using a car never designed for this kind of weight and power.

Avoid absolutely must be the only approach.

Steffan what a load of pony you write. It has Cosworth brakes, uprated suspension, The rover lump weighs probably less than the Pinto boat anchor & is good for around 200-230BHP max. Why is uninsurable? Naughty that he hasn't changed the V5 but having heard the grief that people go through with the DVLA maybe I'm not surprised.

The requirement to correctly register modified cars used on the road in the UK is not optional. Unregistered heavily modified cars are very difficult to register currently in accordance with the laws of this country. Driving on the roads in such cars is a criminal offence. You are entitled to your own opinions, but, I would suggest that, deliberately getting involved with driving unregisteted illegal cars, seems to me to be an unsuitable activity. Up to each individual what they take responsibility for, always providing they are prepared to suffer the consequences of those actions. Breaking the law unintentionally is still law breaking but the intent is very different.. Deliberate law breaking is not an activity I wish to pursue.

But it isn't heavily modified, so has no registration changes apart from capacity. 99% of the new bits are straight off a Cosworth. As someone else said the Rover fits on the standard Ford X member. Ford built a V8 in some markets. So why is it illegal? Most of the time I agree with you but this time you're talking bks!

I respectfully suggest to you that the DVLA may not share your enthusiasm.and take a very different view. If you believe that you are correct then why not buy the car and see how easy it actually is to register this vehicle.. Personally I do not think it will be.

[mph1977]

tr7v8 said:

But it isn't heavily modified, so has no registration changes apart from capacity. 99% of the new bits are straight off a Cosworth. As someone else said the Rover fits on the standard Ford X member. Ford built a V8 in some markets. So why is it illegal? Most of the time I agree with you but this time you're talking bks!

points system the DVLA uses to determine 'heavily modified '


Part Points
Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) OR 5
frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer) 5
Suspension (front and back) - original 2
Axles (both) - original 2
Transmission - original 2
Steering assembly - original 2
Engine - original 1


8 = original reg

so if you re engineer a car keeping the original moncoque ( or chassis if it;s body on frame) goes more than halfway

original (? or OEM?) steering gives you 2 more points ...

so an engine change even to a totally different and none OEM one could well only require a paperwork change ... it;s when peope start changing lots of things

[Liquid Knight]

Just a little point the XR8 was never a Saphire shape Sierra and had the Ford 302 not the Rover/Buick paperweight.

Without having a proper look at the car I can't comment on the points scheme but a few posts ago guessed the front cross member and engine mounts were the only structural changes (brakes and bits are out of the parts bin). So for the sake of a stamp I wouldn't touch it. There are too many question marks over it. The main one being...

Why hasn't the log book been updated for the new engine?

Edited by Liquid Knight on Friday 10th April 21:39

[TheJimi]

TheJimi said:

hairykrishna said:

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

The engine swap's only half done so it's hardly surprising it's not declared yet.

Also apparently built as a track car, so may well have had no intention of putting it on the road.

Also, where in the ad does it state it is undeclared?

??

[Liquid Knight]

TheJimi said:

TheJimi said:

hairykrishna said:

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

The engine swap's only half done so it's hardly surprising it's not declared yet.

Also apparently built as a track car, so may well have had no intention of putting it on the road.

Also, where in the ad does it state it is undeclared?

??

It doesn't but anyone with an IQ higher than a drainpipe checks cars out before thinking about buying them.

https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dv...

DVLA said:

L321DUK
Vehicle details
6 month rate £126.50
12 month rate £230.00
6 monthly by direct debit totalling £120.75 12 monthly by direct debit totalling £230.00
Monthly by direct debit totalling £241.50 (Monthly payment of approximately £20.13)
Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 02 January 1994
Year of manufacture 1994
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1598cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour YELLOW
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight Not available

Whenever I see a car I like the look of finding out if it's legit is a few mouse clicks away.

[TheJimi]

Liquid Knight said:

TheJimi said:

TheJimi said:

hairykrishna said:

Liquid Knight said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-c20let-tu...

The engine swap's only half done so it's hardly surprising it's not declared yet.

Also apparently built as a track car, so may well have had no intention of putting it on the road.

Also, where in the ad does it state it is undeclared?

??

It doesn't but anyone with an IQ higher than a drainpipe checks cars out before thinking about buying them.

https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dv...

DVLA said:

L321DUK
Vehicle details
6 month rate £126.50
12 month rate £230.00
6 monthly by direct debit totalling £120.75 12 monthly by direct debit totalling £230.00
Monthly by direct debit totalling £241.50 (Monthly payment of approximately £20.13)
Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 02 January 1994
Year of manufacture 1994
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1598cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Vehicle status SORN in place
Vehicle colour YELLOW
Vehicle type approval Not available
Wheelplan 2 AXLE RIGID BODY
Revenue weight Not available

Whenever I see a car I like the look of finding out if it's legit is a few mouse clicks away.

Except you've no interest in buying this car, and carried out the checks as part of your role as the dark crusader against log book anomalies.

Pretty pathetic dude, tbh.

[Liquid Knight]

I'm actually looking for a Tigra to put a SAAB 2.3 turbo in but the Corsa came up cheaper and if I could sell the engine (if it was legit and came with documented proof of either the original donor or the car it is currently in) I'd sell the XE lump and drop the SAAB in there.

Also I like the colour. I've had quite a few yellow cars over the years.

Unlike my ringing kit thread I don't go looking for cars like these but if I happen upon them whilst looking for something else I'll post them here.

[TheJimi]

Fair enough

[littlebasher]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lupo-1-8-20v-turbo-polo-...

"The logbook still shows it as a 1.4 8v so this will be up to new owner to change"

[Steffan]

littlebasher said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lupo-1-8-20v-turbo-polo-...

"The logbook still shows it as a 1.4 8v so this will be up to new owner to change"

Best of luck to the new owner!

Almost certainly extremely difficult. Best avoided: I hope it goes down.

Registration of heavily modified cars unregistered cars is no longer easy.

Which is of course why so many appear under the anonymity afforded by the web and reappear regularly.

[gowmonster]

I think there is a subculture of young drivers who just buy these undeclared cars because they can't legitimately insure high performance cars.

[Steffan]

gowmonster said:

I think there is a subculture of young drivers who just buy these undeclared cars because they can't legitimately insure high performance cars.

Very possibly?

There is a market of sorts for such cars and the various ways in which car blogs and so on offer opportunities to dispose of them without too many questions.

Mainstream advertisers all make some efforts to prevent this activity but it does still go on. The reality is that such cars are run illeglly and without effective insurance. Danger to responsible motoring but it is still happening?

Hence the regular appearances on here! Best avoided IMO.😠