Still a £$&£$ on the log book

[poing]

sparkythecat said:

Liquid Knight said:

So the DVLA now want an engineers report if you swap engines. Could this be the excuse for insurance fraud these pillocks have been waiting for?

This is nothing new. In 1989 my 10year old Mk2 Granada 2.3 lunched its timing gear and killed the engine. I swapped it out for a 2.8 motor from a similar car. I had to notify DVLA and submit an engineers report to my insurers.

Same for me around 1990/1991 when my old Ford Escort 1.3 engine died, after the swap I had to send a report to the DVLA and my insurance company. Not sure why people just can't be honest about the changes to your car, it's really not that hard! If it's to save money then they are knowingly in the wrong.

[skene]

MX7 said:

If you've read the thread you would know that you are not alone in what you think.

Personally I think that there's some merit in discouraging people from doing undeclared modifications.

I have read the thread, but most anyone else who shares my opinion does so on a different way, they're personal about it.

I think you, OP, are doing the correct thing and a good thing, but just seem too a snitchy/childish about it

[fridaypassion]

Probably stands out in the village with a speed gun at weekends too

[AlexRS2782]

Being sold as a Fiesta ST with JWRC bodykit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Fiesta-ST-JWRC-Red-...

But only mentions in the small print its actually a 1.25 zetec chassis/shell and is still registered that way on the v5 for cheap insurance, etc, even though it's now a 2.0 duratec.

Edited to add:

Saxo Furio but with all the VTS 16v engine trimmings

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-CITROEN-SAXO-FURIO-...

Still registered as a 1.4 8v on the v5.

Edited by AlexRS2782 on Saturday 2nd February 01:22

[Liquid Knight]

Metro VVC...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-METRO-1800-MGF-VVC-...

...nice conversion and looks like it's been well done but...

eBay advert said:

still reg as a 1.1 so cheap tax and insurance

[bimsb6]

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/gile...


Obviously to be expected on scumtree but does this idiot really believe that a 180 is sixteener legal as it's registered as a ped ?

[Liquid Knight]

bimsb6 said:

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/gile...


Obviously to be expected on scumtree but does this idiot really believe that a 180 is sixteener legal as it's registered as a ped ?

That's a good one.

scumtree said:

The Bike very very fast can do 90+ easily

Aren't 50cc bikes supposed to be limited to 30mph these days? I got stopped on my RD50 for doing 40 in a 40 zone and was the first kid in my school to get points on his licence.

[DKS]

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/car-talk/482498-upd...

[MJK 24]

People are on dodgy ground not declaring this sort of thing. I put a turbo diesel in my Scirocco a few years ago. I've had the logbook updated with the new engine number, cc and fuel type. Also, the insurance know about it. Could deal with the worry of having an accident and it not being declared!

[98elise]

jbailey93 said:

hairykrishna said:

They'd still get paid out. Said moron would then possibly be pursued by his insurance company for costs.

This If said person is willing to take the risk then let them, it doesn't affect anyone but themselves

Yes it does, they are now in a higher risk category of driver but expect everyone else to pay for that risk.

[98elise]

jbailey93 said:

hairykrishna said:

They'd still get paid out. Said moron would then possibly be pursued by his insurance company for costs.

This If said person is willing to take the risk then let them, it doesn't affect anyone but themselves

Yes it does, they are now in a higher risk category of driver but expect everyone else to pay for that risk.

[Jaguar steve]

skene said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the OP comes across really badly in this thread?

IMO he does not. What's actually being done raising awareness of an important issue. Engine swaps are fine - I've done several myself - and fitted lots of second hand parts too, but doing so has to be with respect and regard for the potential consequences.

I wonder perhaps if your view might change if you became the victim of someone who has invalidated his car insurance by undeclared modifications or had your winter project siezed and trailered away by the BiB because you'd inavertently fitted some stolen parts.

You could argue there'd be recompense for the former - eventually and no doubt with a mighty amount of aggravation, but that'll only cost us all in the end via increased insurance premiums, and the latter could well end up with you in court defending against a hefty fine and a criminal record.

[skene]

I explained earlier though, he is doing a good thing but it coming across badly in doing it. As has been said earlier insurance would most likely pay out then pursue the person who invalidated his insurance

[Liquid Knight]

Having known someone who was a victim of this my stance may well be a little too personal. I'm not dizzy from the moral high ground as I have done engine swaps and conversions myself as well. When I built my S13 200SX powered MGB GT, my Delta Hf powered Uno Turbo and Beta 2.0 twink powered X-1/9 for example I did everything by the book as it was written at the time and made damn sure everything was declared before accepting an insurance policy on any of my project cars over the years.

A friend of mine bought a Fiesta that had an engine fitted from a stolen car (XR2i in an XR2). He basically lost the lot and was arrested but thankfully not charged for receiving stolen goods.

It would egregious of me to suggest every engine swap on eBay is a dodgy one but if an advert says "Still a £$&£$ on the log book" I wouldn't consider bidding on it and whole heartedly recommend fellow Pistonheads do the same.

Sorry if I come across as pedantic or a bit personal but even discussing that has elevated awareness of the thread and the issues that motivate it.

[MX7]

I think you're doing a fine job, but I don't agree with this.

Liquid Knight said:

It would egregious of me to suggest every engine swap on eBay is a dodgy one but if an advert says "Still a £$&£$ on the log book" I wouldn't consider bidding on it and whole heartedly recommend fellow Pistonheads do the same.

I'd buy it if I wanted it, but then I'd then get it registered correctly.

Have you contacted the DVLA about reporting these? It seems very odd that people publicly state that they haven't declared a mod, yet the DVLA wouldn't be interested.

[Liquid Knight]

To each their own and that is your prerogative but you inherit the leg work, expense and general faffing about of declaring the swaps to the DVLA. As several have pointed out engineers reports and various other pains in the wallet and neck or risk driving the car as illegitimately as the person who sold it to you and you get caught fined and spanked every time you try to insure anything in the future.

I'd consider buying an undeclared modified car if I was only going to use it on a track. The Vectra MSD 2.5 V6 powered Tigra from a while ago would be brilliant fun. Especially with the 1.4 badges so nobody would know you had 200+bhp on tap.
As always the "still a 1.4 on the log book so cheap insurance and tax" meant it would just be an expensive pain in the cheeks to get it on the road.

[MX7]

Liquid Knight said:

To each their own and that is your prerogative but you inherit the leg work, expense and general faffing about of declaring the swaps to the DVLA. As several have pointed out engineers reports and various other pains in the wallet and neck or risk driving the car as illegitimately as the person who sold it to you and you get caught fined and spanked every time you try to insure anything in the future.

But if your offer reflected that, what's the problem?

Ok, if you go in with your eyes closed, well, you are a bit of a tit, but I don't see the problem in talking to your insurance to getting the right insurance.

As I say, I think you're doing a sterling job, but if someone finds something that they like, and they make it 100% legal, isn't it better than have an undeclared and modified car on the road?


Do you know about how the DVLA respond to these? I don't. I'd be interested, and it seems that they DO turn a bit of a blind eye to it. Given your admirable enthusiasm for seeking these out, it would be peculiar that the DLVA would turn a blind eye.

I genuinely think that it's a bit of an issue, and I support you all the way. I think sorting it out with the DVLA would be a real benefit, but, without wanting to sound rude, little is going to happen on a forum, you need to contact the DVLA. I can only hope that you do, and wish you all the best.

0300 790 6802.

[skene]

OP, your engine swap projects sound amazing! Are there any threads on them?

[Liquid Knight]

skene said:

OP, your engine swap projects sound amazing! Are there any threads on them?

Pre-dates my forum activity I'm afraid. I did have a stack of photo's but they were all lost in a house move.

The MGB was sold to a mad Belgian who rally'd it into a tree.

The Uno was sold and last seen in Essex.

The X-1/9 was killed to death my me at Donington Park. Getting a bit red misty with my brother's Cosworth.

[Liquid Knight]

Red top Corsa for £900

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Corsa-Redtop-2-...

Would be a bargain if it wasn't a potential nightmare.