RE: PH Heroes: Peugeot 405 Mi16

[E30M3SE]

That sure is.

[Bezza1969]

Isnt funny that whilst nearly all the german and japanese cars from 1990-92 are dead and gone, so many old peugeots are still going, just shows what rubbish is written about flimsy french cars and "bomb proof" germanic ones..

Anyway, the 405 Mi16 is a car I would so love to own...

Why doesnt anyone built a decent sports saloon any more? Primera GT, Mondeo mk1 24 valve Si, 405 Mi16, they were all brilliant drives...now we just get heavy diesel engined cars...

[rhinochopig]

Bezza1969 said:

Isnt funny that whilst nearly all the german and japanese cars from 1990-92 are dead and gone, so many old peugeots are still going, just shows what rubbish is written about flimsy french cars and "bomb proof" germanic ones..

Anyway, the 405 Mi16 is a car I would so love to own...

Why doesnt anyone built a decent sports saloon any more? Primera GT, Mondeo mk1 24 valve Si, 405 Mi16, they were all brilliant drives...now we just get heavy diesel engined cars...

You did read how many people had had unreliable ones didn't you? Mine = most unreliable car I ever owned.

[PhillipM]

s m said:

I know what you mean, the Mi16x4 came to mind because of the Citroen-esque rear end

Maybe, but it's still not the same as the citreon setup.

[E30M3SE]

rhinochopig said:

You did read how many people had had unreliable ones didn't you? Mine = most unreliable car I ever owned.

I owned a Phase 2 car (1993 K reg) from 1995-2009, covering 100K+ miles. Was 2 years old @30K miles when bought.

Once it didn't complete a journey, due to alternator failure, only other issue to really speak of were the approx 8 replacement ignition coils it comsumed during my ownership and a leaking heater matrix which wasn't actually the matrix but a failed 'o'ring.

Other than these issues it was just routine stuff.

Edited by E30M3SE on Thursday 1st November 14:35

[s m]

PhillipM said:

s m said:

I know what you mean, the Mi16x4 came to mind because of the Citroen-esque rear end

Maybe, but it's still not the same as the citreon setup.

Indeed, and I don't believe I mentioned it was? Hence the use of the suffix -esque to denote it was similar rather than the same

I was suggesting that the guy was maybe thinking of the Mi16x4 as he'd mentioned LHM Fluid in his post - see below

E30M3SE said:

GC8 said:

Proof, I think, being that the late Mi16s had Citroen suspension!

Which bits were Citroen?

GC8 said:

I may have presumed a little too much there, from the fact that they use LHM. I seldom make unqualified comments on the internet and this one may show me up

[s m]

Bezza1969 said:

Isnt funny that whilst nearly all the german and japanese cars from 1990-92 are dead and gone, so many old peugeots are still going, just shows what rubbish is written about flimsy french cars and "bomb proof" germanic ones..

Anyway, the 405 Mi16 is a car I would so love to own...

Why doesnt anyone built a decent sports saloon any more? Primera GT, Mondeo mk1 24 valve Si, 405 Mi16, they were all brilliant drives...now we just get heavy diesel engined cars...

Keep looking if you're after one - the Mi16x4 in white that was up on EBay when this thread started went for £1000. Had Mot and tax

[hotmelt]

nick_mcuk said:

Oooooh look what I own along side the 205



Even with the 207k miles on the orginal engine and box if screams when you nail it...I suspect that mine has a iffy head gasket but its allowed to with the miles she has done....Cue Carl Chambers who is going to fully strip and re-build her engine for me over the winter

Nice cars you have.

[s m]

Mag writer reminisces....

[nick_mcuk]

s m said:

That looks a nice one -155bhp 2 litre?

Yep Ph2 2.0l car....

hotmelt said:

Nice cars you have.

205 is my baby....as you will have all see from the recent PH Carpool article....405 was a project really, its not too bad considering the miles its covered..as said its the next project. Engine rebuild first then maybe a quick respray (nothing like the 205 though)

[s m]

nick_mcuk said:

205 is my baby....as you will have all see from the recent PH Carpool article....405 was a project really, its not too bad considering the miles its covered..as said its the next project. Engine rebuild first then maybe a quick respray (nothing like the 205 though)

Lot of car for the money.....and rare now, hardly surprising though as they didn't sell that many over here.

Look forward to seeing them in the DVD next month!

[monzaxjr]

Love them, are there any nice ones left?

[s m]

monzaxjr said:

Love them, are there any nice ones left?

Presuming you're not selling this one........




http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/41...

[E30M3SE]

s m said:

monzaxjr said:

Love them, are there any nice ones left?

Presuming you're not selling this one........




http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/41...

Lovely, looks like a minter.

[s m]

E30M3SE said:

s m said:

monzaxjr said:

Love them, are there any nice ones left?

Presuming you're not selling this one........




http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/41...

Lovely, looks like a minter.

Has got the T16 alloys as well as the originals

[Kitchski]

s m said:

hotmelt said:

BX was lighter(MI16 wit aircon is 1150 kg)

That is true, although that particular test car didn't have aircon.

Just as pertinent is that you only needed one gear change to hit the benchmark 60 in the BX whereas 2 were required in the 405

Nope, can't agree on that one. Gear ratios are the same....infact the BX has smaller radius wheels than the later Mi16 too.
BX is 56mpg in second @ 7200rpm (IIRC).

I know it won't do 60mph in second for a fact. I imagine the difference is a little bit weight-related, and the fact that Peugeot are usually a bit reserved with their book figures.

[s m]

Kitchski said:

s m said:

hotmelt said:

BX was lighter(MI16 wit aircon is 1150 kg)

That is true, although that particular test car didn't have aircon.

Just as pertinent is that you only needed one gear change to hit the benchmark 60 in the BX whereas 2 were required in the 405

Nope, can't agree on that one. Gear ratios are the same....infact the BX has smaller radius wheels than the later Mi16 too.
BX is 56mpg in second @ 7200rpm (IIRC).

I know it won't do 60mph in second for a fact. I imagine the difference is a little bit weight-related, and the fact that Peugeot are usually a bit reserved with their book figures.

Out of interest, is yours a late one or early one Kitchski?

[Kitchski]

s m said:

Kitchski said:

s m said:

hotmelt said:

BX was lighter(MI16 wit aircon is 1150 kg)

That is true, although that particular test car didn't have aircon.

Just as pertinent is that you only needed one gear change to hit the benchmark 60 in the BX whereas 2 were required in the 405

Nope, can't agree on that one. Gear ratios are the same....infact the BX has smaller radius wheels than the later Mi16 too.
BX is 56mpg in second @ 7200rpm (IIRC).

I know it won't do 60mph in second for a fact. I imagine the difference is a little bit weight-related, and the fact that Peugeot are usually a bit reserved with their book figures.

Out of interest, is yours a late one or early one Kitchski?

Mine's a BX.....1990 built. Ph2 car, but with the mechanicals (less the anti-roll bars) of a ph1 dating from 1987. Has a BE3 gearbox (reverse right and down) but ratios are same as the BE1 which the BX 16v and 405 Mi16 were launched with.

My current gearbox is actually from an Mi16 (the BX one died). I performed extremely scientific tests after I'd changed them to see if the ratios were different.

[s m]

Kitchski said:

s m said:

Kitchski said:

s m said:

hotmelt said:

BX was lighter(MI16 wit aircon is 1150 kg)

That is true, although that particular test car didn't have aircon.

Just as pertinent is that you only needed one gear change to hit the benchmark 60 in the BX whereas 2 were required in the 405

Nope, can't agree on that one. Gear ratios are the same....infact the BX has smaller radius wheels than the later Mi16 too.
BX is 56mpg in second @ 7200rpm (IIRC).

I know it won't do 60mph in second for a fact. I imagine the difference is a little bit weight-related, and the fact that Peugeot are usually a bit reserved with their book figures.

Out of interest, is yours a late one or early one Kitchski?

Mine's a BX.....1990 built. Ph2 car, but with the mechanicals (less the anti-roll bars) of a ph1 dating from 1987. Has a BE3 gearbox (reverse right and down) but ratios are same as the BE1 which the BX 16v and 405 Mi16 were launched with.

My current gearbox is actually from an Mi16 (the BX one died). I performed extremely scientific tests after I'd changed them to see if the ratios were different.

Just going from all the road tests, the max speeds in gears initially were, as you say, exactly the same as they both had the same ratios. Both needed a change into 3rd about 57/58mph.


However, in one of the very late comparisons between the 2 cars, it specifically mentions in the test that the 405 needed 2 changes to hit 60 whereas the BX 16V only needed one. They mentioned that they had the same ratios still but had extended the rev limit on the later BXs just enough for it to gain the 60 marker with only a first/second change?
Maybe untrue but the figures they apparently recorded do show that?

Edited by s m on Friday 2nd November 13:56

[GC8]

I had two phase two BX 16Vs (an early one and a very late one) and both needed third just before 60mph. Phase one cars were called BX GTI 16V, whereas the phase two cars, with tinted rear lamps, name was changed to BX 16V, so a road test listing the BX GTI 16V may only be <1989.