RE: New NSX - latest

[PJ S]

MrTappets said:

First raised in 2007? I'm sure I remember an HSC thing in about 2003 and the Dualnote (which was a v6 -electric hybrid) in 2001. Okay they weren't direct NSX-replacements but Honda wasn't fooling anyone. In my books we've already been waiting over a decade for this.

Disagree, the HSC was, and still is to my mind, the perfect successor to the NSX.
I like this one somewhat, but it is a tad generic looking.

[10 Pence Short]

LordVader said:

As one of said "monkey's" I would be interested in more specifics rather than childish insulting generalizations.

Thanks

My EP3 spent an average of 2 days a month being repaired under warranty in the 23 months I had it. It rattled like a tin can repeatedly, to the point that the whole dash had to come out and be reassembled. It went through an exhaust manifold, a gearbox and 3 steering racks. The paint might as well have been a single layer of Humbrol and all 4 wheels had to be replaced after just one winter. The plastic inlet manifold cover buzzed on almost every CTR out there until a dealership fitted it properly. The standard seat adjustment mechanism was fitted with the flimsiest plastc covers ever, which ofteb broke. The alarm was an afterthought (not to mention mine was delayed waiting for alarm parts...).

When I needed new brake pads Honda UK hadn't got around to stocking them in the dealer network, so I had to have a loan car for 10 days whilst they tracked some down (which I eventually did myself by ringing around, no thanks to HUK).

All in all, it was fun to drive and st to own, so I vowed never to risk a UK build Honda again.

The Japanese built Accord that replaced it was, aside from the factory fit Alpine CD player developing a fault at 100,000 miles, absolutely perfect for more than 125,000 miles and is still going strong at 9 years old in the hands of my uncle who I sold it to.

Hopefully my old EP3 had been recycled into Coke cans or something by now.

[PJ S]

Agoogy said:

old concept said:

That, whilst being a smidge different from the 'norm', is no looker.
The current concept, whilst a looker is too formulaic...
In summary, I'm confused and Honda must try harder.

Disagree, if the HSC there were in the showrooms today, it'd still look current - it hasn't aged.
But let's be frank, Honda's never done "a looker" - they've all been functionally acceptable.

[Agoogy]

I think it's age'd terribly...

[Verde]

I had not seen these before. Beautiful. They are so superior to the current/likely design. The new version is an amalgam of failed Acura designs and a sprinkling of new lighting techniques but there's no real 'statement' of shape and form. It's a big disappointment having really liked the original NSX, these pix, and even the R8 is a superior design. I'll be looking for a Porsche replacement in the next few years, and unless they radically change the current design, it's a non-starter.
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GTRene said:

not a fan of those "new" lines...

I'm more into the lines of that older concept>>

[Verde]

Accepting the risk of rathole'ing this thread, I've got to ask about this electric motor configuration and it's affect on handling performance. Where are the front motors mounted? On the centerline and connected to the front wheels via half-shafts? On the hubs and directly connected to the wheel assembly? The long-standing goal to achieve great handling is to reduce unsprung weight. It seems like either of these designs are going in the wrong direction with the in-hub design adding unsprung weight in the extreme. Will these electric-powered front wheel designs handle horribly?
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renrut said:

Talking more about the tech - I'm guessing the electric motors will power the front wheels to give a little extra traction when necessary but also assist with regen braking, with the V6 powering the rear.

And high revs available prefereably north of 10K...

[desertwind]

Regarding Swindon, I bought an FN2 CTR and it was fine. But, I didn't like the torque steer so I sold it (deciding to retain a low mile S2K in my stable instead).
I am about to receive an '03 NSX which I am importing from the USA and will keep that and the S2K. Both are modern classics.
I have started to save my pennies for the next NSX, but am not that enthused about the powertrain, so I might opt for the upated R8 V10 instead (as close to the HSC V10 as possible).

[melvster]

desertwind said:

Regarding Swindon, I bought an FN2 CTR and it was fine. But, I didn't like the torque steer so I sold it (deciding to retain a low mile S2K in my stable instead).
I am about to receive an '03 NSX which I am importing from the USA and will keep that and the S2K. Both are modern classics.
I have started to save my pennies for the next NSX, but am not that enthused about the powertrain, so I might opt for the upated R8 V10 instead (as close to the HSC V10 as possible).

Lucky you, i take it LHD does not bother you. NSX's seem to be pretty cheap in the sates, i occasionally look on NSX Prime now and again, it is a shame a lot of the cars over there are modified, an NSX should be left alone IMO. Have you gone for a Coupe or Targa and what colour combination have you chosen ? look forward to some pics.

[Grovsie26]

desertwind said:

Regarding Swindon, I bought an FN2 CTR and it was fine. But, I didn't like the torque steer so I sold it (deciding to retain a low mile S2K in my stable instead).
I am about to receive an '03 NSX which I am importing from the USA and will keep that and the S2K. Both are modern classics.
I have started to save my pennies for the next NSX, but am not that enthused about the powertrain, so I might opt for the upated R8 V10 instead (as close to the HSC V10 as possible).

You had torque steer from a CTR with 145lbs/torque? You sure? LOL.

[Kozy]

rampageturke2 said:

vtec belongs in grocery getter civics not performance cars

Obvious troll is obvious...

[carinaman]

I thought this was the best place to leave this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8JwgDAPPqg

Great noise in the intro.

[forzaminardi]

It's a deeply impressive car. In a sort of undramatic way it's moved the game on, like the original.

[Derek Chevalier]

forzaminardi said:

It's a deeply impressive car. In a sort of undramatic way it's moved the game on, like the original.

In what way?

[Audidodat]

No other car has managed to be delayed so much, then to be launched and look a generation out of date. Hell uv a feat. At least Honda are intent on being mediocre at everything they do.

[forzaminardi]

Derek Chevalier said:

forzaminardi said:

It's a deeply impressive car. In a sort of undramatic way it's moved the game on, like the original.

In what way?

Watch the video to see for yourself. Aside from its useability and performance, its combination of hybrid and turbo power to almost totally remove lag, and its aerodynamics, what's not mentioned by Leno is the NSX's torque steer system which powers wheels rather than a braking system which I think every other manufacturer uses.

I have no doubt that such things will be overlooked because they're not whizz-bang spectacular, and the discussion instead will be based around its looks, its gestation period and its (for a Honda) 'ridiculous' price, just as the mundane nature of the original's breakthroughs were ignored by everyone except Gordon Murray and Luca di Montezemolo.

I think it looks brilliant and I hope when launched it depreciates so spectacularly that I might vaguely afford one while I still have hair! But then, I'm a NSX and Honda fanboy, so there we go, full disclosure etc.

[Dr Gitlin]

forzaminardi said:

Watch the video to see for yourself. Aside from its useability and performance, its combination of hybrid and turbo power to almost totally remove lag, and its aerodynamics

It seems to do most of the things a BMW i8 does, except not as well (there's no back seats, you can't charge it from the wall, it's not made from carbon fiber)...

And the BMW's been out for a couple of years. Not really moving the game that far, is it?

[Derek Chevalier]

forzaminardi said:

Derek Chevalier said:

forzaminardi said:

It's a deeply impressive car. In a sort of undramatic way it's moved the game on, like the original.

In what way?

Watch the video to see for yourself. Aside from its useability and performance, its combination of hybrid and turbo power to almost totally remove lag, and its aerodynamics, what's not mentioned by Leno is the NSX's torque steer system which powers wheels rather than a braking system which I think every other manufacturer uses.

I have no doubt that such things will be overlooked because they're not whizz-bang spectacular, and the discussion instead will be based around its looks, its gestation period and its (for a Honda) 'ridiculous' price, just as the mundane nature of the original's breakthroughs were ignored by everyone except Gordon Murray and Luca di Montezemolo.

I think it looks brilliant and I hope when launched it depreciates so spectacularly that I might vaguely afford one while I still have hair! But then, I'm a NSX and Honda fanboy, so there we go, full disclosure etc.

I did watch it, but still don't see what it really offers over 570S, GTR, R8 etc. Doesn't the Focus RS managed torque vectoring for <£30k?

[forzaminardi]

Derek Chevalier said:

forzaminardi said:

Derek Chevalier said:

forzaminardi said:

It's a deeply impressive car. In a sort of undramatic way it's moved the game on, like the original.

In what way?

Watch the video to see for yourself. Aside from its useability and performance, its combination of hybrid and turbo power to almost totally remove lag, and its aerodynamics, what's not mentioned by Leno is the NSX's torque steer system which powers wheels rather than a braking system which I think every other manufacturer uses.

I have no doubt that such things will be overlooked because they're not whizz-bang spectacular, and the discussion instead will be based around its looks, its gestation period and its (for a Honda) 'ridiculous' price, just as the mundane nature of the original's breakthroughs were ignored by everyone except Gordon Murray and Luca di Montezemolo.

I think it looks brilliant and I hope when launched it depreciates so spectacularly that I might vaguely afford one while I still have hair! But then, I'm a NSX and Honda fanboy, so there we go, full disclosure etc.

I did watch it, but still don't see what it really offers over 570S, GTR, R8 etc. Doesn't the Focus RS managed torque vectoring for <£30k?

True, the Focus is one of the very few that uses 'proper' torque vectoring, and obviously it's cheaper. But on the other hand, it's a Ford Focus where as the NSX is a bespoke sports car. As for what the NSX offers over a 570S, GTR, R8, etc., what do they offer over each other? It's very much a matter of taste, isn't it? I simply think the new NSX will have a similar effect as the original - be dismissed by the potential audience for that type of vehicle, but cause the existing players to look at themselves and as a result be popularly forgotten until in 20 years time it becomes regarded as a classic.