RE: Chevy to sell Hot Wheels Camaro
Discussion
LuS1fer said:
This is palpable nonsense. You get a 6.2 litre V8 instead of a crappy turbo/3 pot and the interiors are perfectly serviceable (often leather) and are not optional extras like thay are in most Euro cars. What you see is what you get. Who cares about space efficiency in this type of car. In general, they also tend to weigh less (the Mustang is certainly a lot lighter than the equivalent BMW). Just what do you expect for the money? My Mustang is better than our Mondeo Edge and better than my Fiesta ST which are probably the average comparators in real life. Given you can imprt a V6 for £23k as a dollar equivalent, I'd say you'd be mad to buy the European offering most of the time.
I'm not denying the impressive performance stats on paper, especially for what you're paying. But you're getting a 6.2liter car remember. That's not a positive thing for me. It's a car that is out of context for me in the UK, in the US I'd have one in a shot because of it's affordability. In the UK, if you remove the novelty factor and add the taxes/import costs, it's just way too compromised. I'm not saying it's not fun though.
Saying that, I'd have no problem driving around Miami, LA etc in a green^ or blue Hotwheels Camaro.
I'm going to hold my tongue when it comes to the next Mustang and Corvette. They're promising to be a little more in tune with my expectations.
If and when they sell them here they will cost considerably more due to taxes etc.
They know that if that £27k became £40k then they're competing with an M3 or AMG and what ever any of you say, those cars are in a different league when it comes to tech and quality and would spank the arse off the yank tank in a proper driving contest.
No German car has that much character though. I love ///M but just look at that thing, it looks spectacular.
They know that if that £27k became £40k then they're competing with an M3 or AMG and what ever any of you say, those cars are in a different league when it comes to tech and quality and would spank the arse off the yank tank in a proper driving contest.
No German car has that much character though. I love ///M but just look at that thing, it looks spectacular.
GranCab said:
If they are THAT good - why aren't our roads teeming with them ?
Their mass cars are like their mass food - big, cheap and nasty.
1. UK... you guys drive on the "wrong" side, as they're only available in LHD. Puts of lots of people IMO.Their mass cars are like their mass food - big, cheap and nasty.
2. Fuel taxes/engine size. Most people tend to , get "scared" (see earlier comments) when they see the engine size, inevitably linking it to "excessive fuel consumption".
To give you an idea, I know there are about 6 US spec road legal Camaros in Belgium. Coming back to the tax point: 10k Euro "registration tax", over 4k a year "road tax", and if you buy it as a company car 24k taxes for "advantages of all kind". That's about the price of a car you have to pay per year on "state pocket filling duties" alone.
Nothing to do with the build quality of the cars, to be honest, it feels a lot more solid than some of the German cars I have had so far.
Hellbound said:
I'm not denying the impressive performance stats on paper, especially for what you're paying. But you're getting a 6.2liter car remember. That's not a positive thing for me.
I don't see why not. As per the above, my Fiesat ST returns about 32mpg, my supercharged Mustang for the same sort of driving about 24mpg but on a run, the Fiesta gets no better and the Stang will do over 30mpg.The Stang costs just £230 a year to tax and costs the same to insure (albeit for only 3000 miles pa) as the Fiesta ST and Mondeo 2.0 (both 8000 miles pa. Servicing is going to be about the same.
Once you drive a large capacity Yank V8, eerything else becomes a whole lot more utterly mundane.
I will caveat this post by saying I watched Fifth Gear last night and would agree the Vette C6 GS is not worth £73k and isn't good enough for that money but everything is relative to what it costs and you can at least have a stab at having the penny and the bun with these muscvle cars.
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GranCab said:
Captain Muppet said:
Exactly, whereas we have fish'n'chips and Vectras.
and Le Gavroche and Atom V8s 
GranCab said:
If they are THAT good - why aren't our roads teeming with them ?
Their mass cars are like their mass food - big, cheap and nasty.
Their mass cars are like their mass food - big, cheap and nasty.
PascalBuyens said:
1. UK... you guys drive on the "wrong" side, as they're only available in LHD. Puts of lots of people IMO.
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Have you been putting Mandarine on your waffles? .
We drive on the correct side of the road as laid down by 1000 years of chivalric code. It's not our problem that some brash colonials and mainlanders lack civilised etiquette.
CypherP said:
That is ridiculously cheap. So is their fuel, in comparison to ours though. I'd rather import one of these than go and buy anything german, although I'm not sure I fancy the fuel bills over here though.
How is it ridiculously cheap, may I ask? It's a $44,000 car, + tax/tag/title/dealer fee.Today, US median household income is slightly less than UK and a US $ buys pretty much what a UK pound does, in the grand scheme of things. Maybe 44 grand is chump change for you - but it isn't for the majority of conumers this thing is aimed at.
There are other bits to account for the $7000 extra..... you'll still be horrified by the price they pay over there.
Yes - forty four thousand dollars - just like forty four thousand pounds.
Compared to the standard 1SS, the up-charge for the horrid airplane wheels and paint stripe, it looks ridiculously expensive.
In contrast to Europe, in N America most roads even in town have 2 lanes in each direction. Hence you can always use that wonderful V8 torque and hear that woofly sound as you blast past a slower car . My next next car will be either a GT500 or a ZL1 but i'd never ever want to own one in the UK, or even Europe as imo it'd be too frustrating: published Nurburgring times to the contrary, such cars aren't really meant for B-roads and wouldn't be nearly as much fun or suitable for all uses as a secondhand E92 M3 imo.
Certainly would stand out though and would be a bit of an event every time you drove one though perhaps only in the same way a green Focus RS would be in America.
Certainly would stand out though and would be a bit of an event every time you drove one though perhaps only in the same way a green Focus RS would be in America.
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