RE: Chevy to sell Hot Wheels Camaro
Discussion
PH said:
There are other bits to account for the $7,000 extra on the coupe and convertible models, but because this is American muscle, you'll still be horrified by the price they pay over there.
The special edition LT2 coupe with the 323bhp V6 is the equivalent of £22,975 including destination tax, while the 426bhp V8 manual is £27,430. That's WITH all the Hot Wheels gubbins.
Hang on are you telling me you can get a standard Camaro for just £18,000??!?!The special edition LT2 coupe with the 323bhp V6 is the equivalent of £22,975 including destination tax, while the 426bhp V8 manual is £27,430. That's WITH all the Hot Wheels gubbins.
That '67... MMmmmmm...
PascalBuyens said:
Hellbound said:
But you're getting a 6.2liter car remember. That's not a positive thing for me.
LOL... that's basically WHY I bought mine with the V8.LuS1fer said:
I don't see why not. As per the above, my Fiesat ST returns about 32mpg, my supercharged Mustang for the same sort of driving about 24mpg but on a run, the Fiesta gets no better and the Stang will do over 30mpg.
The Stang costs just £230 a year to tax and costs the same to insure (albeit for only 3000 miles pa) as the Fiesta ST and Mondeo 2.0 (both 8000 miles pa. Servicing is going to be about the same.
Once you drive a large capacity Yank V8, eerything else becomes a whole lot more utterly mundane.
I will caveat this post by saying I watched Fifth Gear last night and would agree the Vette C6 GS is not worth £73k and isn't good enough for that money but everything is relative to what it costs and you can at least have a stab at having the penny and the bun with these muscvle cars.
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Okay, to vastly exaggerate my point; Would you buy a 7.0 V8 if it made 150hp? The Stang costs just £230 a year to tax and costs the same to insure (albeit for only 3000 miles pa) as the Fiesta ST and Mondeo 2.0 (both 8000 miles pa. Servicing is going to be about the same.
Once you drive a large capacity Yank V8, eerything else becomes a whole lot more utterly mundane.
I will caveat this post by saying I watched Fifth Gear last night and would agree the Vette C6 GS is not worth £73k and isn't good enough for that money but everything is relative to what it costs and you can at least have a stab at having the penny and the bun with these muscvle cars.
.I wouldn't.
Those wheels 'are' hideous.
I had a 68 Camaro convertible and never did enjoy the way it handled. Always wanted a hard top but I'm sure the 2012 model handles way better.
BTW, Ford offer, an out of the box 302ci (5.0 litre) crate motor at $1,000 USD more than that Chevy lump that runs 500 bhp and more than that in torques, I don't have the number to hand.
I'll have the Ford thanks.
Phil
I had a 68 Camaro convertible and never did enjoy the way it handled. Always wanted a hard top but I'm sure the 2012 model handles way better.
BTW, Ford offer, an out of the box 302ci (5.0 litre) crate motor at $1,000 USD more than that Chevy lump that runs 500 bhp and more than that in torques, I don't have the number to hand.
I'll have the Ford thanks.
Phil
Hellbound said:
Okay, to vastly exaggerate my point; Would you buy a 7.0 V8 if it made 150hp?
I wouldn't.
I don't understand the point. Capacity is totally irrelevant. It's 3.5 bottles of Cola instead of 1 or 2. The important part is whether the car can be run affordably so you get comparable mpg, ohv so almost zero maintenanace bar oil and filter changes, no expensive servicing and so on and so on.I wouldn't.
Would I buy a 5.0 V8 that made 175hp? - yes beacuse I did when I bought my 3rd gen Camaro Z28. Again, you have to drive it to understand that torque is just as relevant to performance as peak bhp and it's the total amount of power under the hp curve that counts rather than where it peaks. It's the difference between effortless performance and having to work at it.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Camaro looks good in pics but if you get close to one in UK it's big, clumpy thing. The Germans may not have as much grunt but they do have a more "Europe-suitable" package.
I've got a Camaro and a 'more Europe-suitable' BMW. It's a very rare day when I take the BMW over the Camaro. In fact, the BMW will be in the classifieds this week, as I can't see any point in keeping it.Maybe I'm just odd.....
Hellbound said:
I'd have a 355 with a V8 all day long. I'm not against V8's at all. You're under the assumption that all V8's are the same.
You could only afford it one day long with servicing costs, new clutches, parts prices, insurance. That's why Yank V8s are better, because they are affordable to run to anyone here on an average salary.CypherP said:
That is ridiculously cheap. So is their fuel, in comparison to ours though. I'd rather import one of these than go and buy anything german, although I'm not sure I fancy the fuel bills over here though.
You'd be surprised, the one i drove a couple of weeks ago in Vegas was averaging 36mpg on the Interstate and thats American gallons
Don't forget state taxes!! Take the VAT off a car in the UK and it looks a lot cheaper - and that is a necessary addition in the US.
As for them being poorly built or something like that, well I've parked my bum in a lot of high mile and over a decade old American cars and they are tired, but no more than a high mile Ford or VW in the UK (they arn't prestige but they don't aim at that) so I do think you get a lot of bang for your buck - but watch that price go up as you move to delivery!
As for them being poorly built or something like that, well I've parked my bum in a lot of high mile and over a decade old American cars and they are tired, but no more than a high mile Ford or VW in the UK (they arn't prestige but they don't aim at that) so I do think you get a lot of bang for your buck - but watch that price go up as you move to delivery!
Nick Grant said:
My '67 was one of the nicest driving cars I've ever owned 
Tarantino Death Proof 003 by NickGrant.co.uk, on Flickr
you have nice tits Tarantino Death Proof 003 by NickGrant.co.uk, on Flickr
AdeTuono said:
I've got a Camaro and a 'more Europe-suitable' BMW. It's a very rare day when I take the BMW over the Camaro. In fact, the BMW will be in the classifieds this week, as I can't see any point in keeping it.
Maybe I'm just odd.....
Looking at your garage I'm wondering how you came to buy the BMW in the first place...?Maybe I'm just odd.....
Your motoring tastes are clearly American... The Camaro is definitely a spectacular thang with it's own brand of street theatre. It would turn my head as a lot of cars do which I can admire but I have no desire to own.
More than a few years ago an ex neighbour had a huge V10 Dodge Ram in white... He loved the thing but eventually got rid because his wife didn't and 'Steve, I can't park it anywhere cos it sticks out.' I couldn't help but laugh as it would've been obvious draw back. Still each to there own
DonkeyApple said:
PascalBuyens said:
1. UK... you guys drive on the "wrong" side, as they're only available in LHD. Puts of lots of people IMO.
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Have you been putting Mandarine on your waffles? .
We drive on the correct side of the road as laid down by 1000 years of chivalric code. It's not our problem that some brash colonials and mainlanders lack civilised etiquette.
Civilised, you said?
Hellbound said:
I'd have a 355 with a V8 all day long. I'm not against V8's at all. You're under the assumption that all V8's are the same.
Erhm... good to know that I don't know the difference between a pushrod V8 and the reason why the 355 is called a 355 then... 3.5 liter, 5 valves per cylinder, OHC, VVT...I'd still have the 6.2 pushrod, thank you very much. Purely on sound alone already (let alone reliability)
Edited by PascalBuyens on Wednesday 31st October 09:05
LuS1fer said:
Hellbound said:
I'd have a 355 with a V8 all day long. I'm not against V8's at all. You're under the assumption that all V8's are the same.
You could only afford it one day long with servicing costs, new clutches, parts prices, insurance. That's why Yank V8s are better, because they are affordable to run to anyone here on an average salary.I have to admit, the Camaro is actually a nice place to sit and drive in. They got the exterior spot-on IMHO. Interior is not Euro but its not bloody far off.
Since I bought mine in mid August, I have done 12,300km's in her and avg 12.1l/100km.
Mine was just under GBP30k off the showroom floor.
Since I bought mine in mid August, I have done 12,300km's in her and avg 12.1l/100km.
Mine was just under GBP30k off the showroom floor.
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