RE: Blood Bros: TT TDI vs Scirocco TDI
Discussion
Actually, just throwing this out there:
If you want a diesel coupe, the one to go for is the Volvo C30 Drive. Free road tax, amazing mpg, great interior and pleasant enough to drive. Yes, it has less power than the VAG options, but if you're going to have diesel, you might as well do it properly and make some real fuel and tax savings.
If you want a diesel coupe, the one to go for is the Volvo C30 Drive. Free road tax, amazing mpg, great interior and pleasant enough to drive. Yes, it has less power than the VAG options, but if you're going to have diesel, you might as well do it properly and make some real fuel and tax savings.
Some of this hate is a bit extreme,
I tested the Scirroco in tsi form and thouroughly enjoyed it, we finally bought a VW Golf GTI Mk 5 as Mrs Stan wanted a 5 door as her parents are getting old and cant access the rear of a coupe.
We also looked at the TT but the rear seats frankly are a joke unless its for little children.
A year later I bought an Octavia VRS TDI 170 estate as needs must and my wife being the shortest of 4 at 6' (and the fact I have to transport my youngest sons labrador some weekends) meant I still needed a certain size car. Same engine as the Scirroco and TT and I can confirm it pulls well and gives me 50mpg on my 25k a year travels.
Its not as charaterful as the petrol 2.0 turbo unit in my wifes Gti but the mpg cant be ignored at that sort of millage.
However the golf, octavia, scirroco or any other sports coupe are not viceral enough to be my idea of a mid life crisis and at 45 with two sons now 16 and 18 year old respectively I think I qualify admirably for a chrisis.
Not being able to afford the Porsche and frankly being a little underwhelmed by my friends boxster S I went for a Westfield! Not a daily driver I admit but so much more fun. The raw edge reminds me so much more of all thoes basic 1980's cars I used to drive when I was young and all motoring was exciting (even my mums metro when it gave me my first freedom at 17). I have learnt how to service it and maintain it, which in turn resulted in an upgraded to 2.0 litres, fitting an aeroscreen and rollbar and hitting the track (at an affordable price on a very limited budget).
The result, midlife kicks at illegal speeds in a legal enviroment.
Its also road legal and will out perform on dry winding roads either the TT or the scirroco even in R or black guise up to about 100mph and is considerable cheaper to run (insurance £120 a year for limited milage policy, fully comp, Mrs Stan to drive and no 'no claims bonus' to chuck at it).
To take the midlife chrisis further I have also recently passed my motorbike test and I used the mechanical skill learnt on the Westfield to bring a 600cc Suzuki Bandit I was given for free back on to the road. Bike riding is having to re learn how to read the road all over again and makes you realise how bad so many drivers are.
In my mind no modern cars are that great for a midlife chrisis whether petrol or diesel; unless you want to pose and look like a balding man in a mechanical dick extension.
They are all to coseted and who cares whether they can do 155mph or 200mph unless you track them and you will need considerable money for tyres, brakes, clutches etc. if you do.
Used to any where near their top speed on UK roads you will loose your
licence (and deserve to).
So both Scirroco and TT are good cars, the TDI engine gives you good mpg, have good mid range punch and they both have some image. The scirroce is more practicle the TT better dynamically. If you can only run one car, do reasonable milage and want a modern coseted enviroment they both work.
But in my mind mid life chrisis cures they are not.
As for having an affair the current Mrs Stan is a 6' blond so I feel no need to even consider this route.
So a TDI won't set the world alight, but in my mind unless your budget is vast nothing modern will.
I tested the Scirroco in tsi form and thouroughly enjoyed it, we finally bought a VW Golf GTI Mk 5 as Mrs Stan wanted a 5 door as her parents are getting old and cant access the rear of a coupe.
We also looked at the TT but the rear seats frankly are a joke unless its for little children.
A year later I bought an Octavia VRS TDI 170 estate as needs must and my wife being the shortest of 4 at 6' (and the fact I have to transport my youngest sons labrador some weekends) meant I still needed a certain size car. Same engine as the Scirroco and TT and I can confirm it pulls well and gives me 50mpg on my 25k a year travels.
Its not as charaterful as the petrol 2.0 turbo unit in my wifes Gti but the mpg cant be ignored at that sort of millage.
However the golf, octavia, scirroco or any other sports coupe are not viceral enough to be my idea of a mid life crisis and at 45 with two sons now 16 and 18 year old respectively I think I qualify admirably for a chrisis.
Not being able to afford the Porsche and frankly being a little underwhelmed by my friends boxster S I went for a Westfield! Not a daily driver I admit but so much more fun. The raw edge reminds me so much more of all thoes basic 1980's cars I used to drive when I was young and all motoring was exciting (even my mums metro when it gave me my first freedom at 17). I have learnt how to service it and maintain it, which in turn resulted in an upgraded to 2.0 litres, fitting an aeroscreen and rollbar and hitting the track (at an affordable price on a very limited budget).
The result, midlife kicks at illegal speeds in a legal enviroment.
Its also road legal and will out perform on dry winding roads either the TT or the scirroco even in R or black guise up to about 100mph and is considerable cheaper to run (insurance £120 a year for limited milage policy, fully comp, Mrs Stan to drive and no 'no claims bonus' to chuck at it).
To take the midlife chrisis further I have also recently passed my motorbike test and I used the mechanical skill learnt on the Westfield to bring a 600cc Suzuki Bandit I was given for free back on to the road. Bike riding is having to re learn how to read the road all over again and makes you realise how bad so many drivers are.
In my mind no modern cars are that great for a midlife chrisis whether petrol or diesel; unless you want to pose and look like a balding man in a mechanical dick extension.
They are all to coseted and who cares whether they can do 155mph or 200mph unless you track them and you will need considerable money for tyres, brakes, clutches etc. if you do.
Used to any where near their top speed on UK roads you will loose your
licence (and deserve to).
So both Scirroco and TT are good cars, the TDI engine gives you good mpg, have good mid range punch and they both have some image. The scirroce is more practicle the TT better dynamically. If you can only run one car, do reasonable milage and want a modern coseted enviroment they both work.
But in my mind mid life chrisis cures they are not.
As for having an affair the current Mrs Stan is a 6' blond so I feel no need to even consider this route.
So a TDI won't set the world alight, but in my mind unless your budget is vast nothing modern will.
Edited by powerstans on Thursday 8th November 14:01
drgoatboy said:
Wow, what a lot of hate.
I own a Scirocco TDI 170 and its a great car.
I changed job and started a reasonably long commute. I wanted something that was economical, reasonably brisk, fun to drive, a nice place to be in and looked good when I walked up to it twice a day.
It really does tick all those boxes,
I've had faster cars, I've had more practical cars, I've had more fun cars, and I've had better looking cars too, but none of them would have worked for what I need in a car right now.
I can only assume all the fuss is because its been called a "sports car" which its not, its a good looking hatch, or coupe at a push but theres nothing wrong with that.
OK its not the most inspiring article, but if the article was comparing the latest 3 series diesel vs the latest c-class diesel I bet there wouldn't be so much up-roar.
Relax everyone, its just a couple of cars with diesel engines....
Agreed, I got mine on a ECO lease hire thing through work for the same reason. It's relatively brisk, you can chuck it into corners should you wish (though it does feel a touchy understeery), it carries four adults in relative comfort, plays my Barry Manilow CDs, and returns 60 odd MPG (indicated by my mileage speadsheets!)when you drive it like a...fairy . I own a Scirocco TDI 170 and its a great car.
I changed job and started a reasonably long commute. I wanted something that was economical, reasonably brisk, fun to drive, a nice place to be in and looked good when I walked up to it twice a day.
It really does tick all those boxes,
I've had faster cars, I've had more practical cars, I've had more fun cars, and I've had better looking cars too, but none of them would have worked for what I need in a car right now.
I can only assume all the fuss is because its been called a "sports car" which its not, its a good looking hatch, or coupe at a push but theres nothing wrong with that.
OK its not the most inspiring article, but if the article was comparing the latest 3 series diesel vs the latest c-class diesel I bet there wouldn't be so much up-roar.
Relax everyone, its just a couple of cars with diesel engines....
Also, I don't know about all the other company directors on here, but most companies I know who offer such car schemes have to be seen to be reducing their carbon footprint, so opt for diesel only fleets. The company we lease through has good discount on VAGs, so I got a decent spec Rocco 170 for less than an equivalent Focus or Gashtra, so I'm happy.
I would love to have something more fun and am currently browsing the classifieds for Caymans/Boxsters to ponce around in at the weekend and enjoy the smell of my own farts as I breeze past all the proles in their econoboxes, but for an every day car I can stick 25,000 mile PA at without caring, the Scirocco has been great. Even if it does look like a Golf has melted.
PH massif: Raa Raa VAG scum Diesel fuel of the devil hateful cancer causing filth
Rational people: Diesels can often make sense and modern ones are actually pretty decent to drive. The market is there, PH is here to serve that market.
PH massif: Er, actually what we were complaining about was that one line that suggested they were out and out sports cars of a mid life crisis variety.
Oh, well, OK.
Rational people: Diesels can often make sense and modern ones are actually pretty decent to drive. The market is there, PH is here to serve that market.
PH massif: Er, actually what we were complaining about was that one line that suggested they were out and out sports cars of a mid life crisis variety.
Oh, well, OK.
The beauty of it having a low monthly lease cost is that you can throw the option lists at it;) if there is a job going at pimps R us, can I have an application form?!
crispyshark said:
Chris1973 said:
The new one, 5 weeks old and 9,000 miles in.
It's true I wouldn't buy one for my midlife crisis, that's been then care of by my 42 year old Campervan.
And in the true Kawasaki fashion, green ones are faster........
Who do you work for? Pimps 'R Us?! It's true I wouldn't buy one for my midlife crisis, that's been then care of by my 42 year old Campervan.
And in the true Kawasaki fashion, green ones are faster........
powerstans said:
Some of this hate is a bit extreme,
I tested the Scirroco in tsi form and thouroughly enjoyed it, we finally bought a VW Golf GTI Mk 5 as Mrs Stan wanted a 5 door as her parents are getting old and cant access the rear of a coupe.
We also looked at the TT but the rear seats frankly are a joke unless its for little children.
A year later I bought an Octavia VRS TDI 170 estate as needs must and my wife being the shortest of 4 at 6' (and the fact I have to transport my youngest sons labrador some weekends) meant I still needed a certain size car. Same engine as the Scirroco and TT and I can confirm it pulls well and gives me 50mpg on my 25k a year travels.
Its not as charaterful as the petrol 2.0 turbo unit in my wifes Gti but the mpg cant be ignored at that sort of millage.
However the golf, octavia, scirroco or any other sports coupe are not viceral enough to be my idea of a mid life crisis and at 45 with two sons now 16 and 18 year old respectively I think I qualify admirably for a chrisis.
Not being able to afford the Porsche and frankly being a little underwhelmed by my friends boxster S I went for a Westfield! Not a daily driver I admit but so much more fun. The raw edge reminds me so much more of all thoes basic 1980's cars I used to drive when I was young and all motoring was exciting (even my mums metro when it gave me my first freedom at 17). I have learnt how to service it and maintain it, which in turn resulted in an upgraded to 2.0 litres, fitting an aeroscreen and rollbar and hitting the track (at an affordable price on a very limited budget).
The result, midlife kicks at illegal speeds in a legal enviroment.
Its also road legal and will out perform on dry winding roads either the TT or the scirroco even in R or black guise up to about 100mph and is considerable cheaper to run (insurance £120 a year for limited milage policy, fully comp, Mrs Stan to drive and no 'no claims bonus' to chuck at it).
To take the midlife chrisis further I have also recently passed my motorbike test and I used the mechanical skill learnt on the Westfield to bring a 600cc Suzuki Bandit I was given for free back on to the road. Bike riding is having to re learn how to read the road all over again and makes you realise how bad so many drivers are.
In my mind no modern cars are that great for a midlife chrisis whether petrol or diesel; unless you want to pose and look like a balding man in a mechanical dick extension.
They are all to coseted and who cares whether they can do 155mph or 200mph unless you track them and you will need considerable money for tyres, brakes, clutches etc. if you do.
Used to any where near their top speed on UK roads you will loose your
licence (and deserve to).
So both Scirroco and TT are good cars, the TDI engine gives you good mpg, have good mid range punch and they both have some image. The scirroce is more practicle the TT better dynamically. If you can only run one car, do reasonable milage and want a modern coseted enviroment they both work.
But in my mind mid life chrisis cures they are not.
As for having an affair the current Mrs Stan is a 6' blond so I feel no need to even consider this route.
So a TDI won't set the world alight, but in my mind unless your budget is vast nothing modern will.
Good post...but it's 'crisis'.I tested the Scirroco in tsi form and thouroughly enjoyed it, we finally bought a VW Golf GTI Mk 5 as Mrs Stan wanted a 5 door as her parents are getting old and cant access the rear of a coupe.
We also looked at the TT but the rear seats frankly are a joke unless its for little children.
A year later I bought an Octavia VRS TDI 170 estate as needs must and my wife being the shortest of 4 at 6' (and the fact I have to transport my youngest sons labrador some weekends) meant I still needed a certain size car. Same engine as the Scirroco and TT and I can confirm it pulls well and gives me 50mpg on my 25k a year travels.
Its not as charaterful as the petrol 2.0 turbo unit in my wifes Gti but the mpg cant be ignored at that sort of millage.
However the golf, octavia, scirroco or any other sports coupe are not viceral enough to be my idea of a mid life crisis and at 45 with two sons now 16 and 18 year old respectively I think I qualify admirably for a chrisis.
Not being able to afford the Porsche and frankly being a little underwhelmed by my friends boxster S I went for a Westfield! Not a daily driver I admit but so much more fun. The raw edge reminds me so much more of all thoes basic 1980's cars I used to drive when I was young and all motoring was exciting (even my mums metro when it gave me my first freedom at 17). I have learnt how to service it and maintain it, which in turn resulted in an upgraded to 2.0 litres, fitting an aeroscreen and rollbar and hitting the track (at an affordable price on a very limited budget).
The result, midlife kicks at illegal speeds in a legal enviroment.
Its also road legal and will out perform on dry winding roads either the TT or the scirroco even in R or black guise up to about 100mph and is considerable cheaper to run (insurance £120 a year for limited milage policy, fully comp, Mrs Stan to drive and no 'no claims bonus' to chuck at it).
To take the midlife chrisis further I have also recently passed my motorbike test and I used the mechanical skill learnt on the Westfield to bring a 600cc Suzuki Bandit I was given for free back on to the road. Bike riding is having to re learn how to read the road all over again and makes you realise how bad so many drivers are.
In my mind no modern cars are that great for a midlife chrisis whether petrol or diesel; unless you want to pose and look like a balding man in a mechanical dick extension.
They are all to coseted and who cares whether they can do 155mph or 200mph unless you track them and you will need considerable money for tyres, brakes, clutches etc. if you do.
Used to any where near their top speed on UK roads you will loose your
licence (and deserve to).
So both Scirroco and TT are good cars, the TDI engine gives you good mpg, have good mid range punch and they both have some image. The scirroce is more practicle the TT better dynamically. If you can only run one car, do reasonable milage and want a modern coseted enviroment they both work.
But in my mind mid life chrisis cures they are not.
As for having an affair the current Mrs Stan is a 6' blond so I feel no need to even consider this route.
So a TDI won't set the world alight, but in my mind unless your budget is vast nothing modern will.
Edited by powerstans on Thursday 8th November 14:01
This whole article is pretty s
t, but this line is the worst:
"With its curving, pedestrian-friendly nose, sweeping side-lines and pert rear the TT is an instantly-recognisable status symbol and looks good in almost any colour.".
I don't know where to start. The fact PH is praising the pedestrian friendly nose (tip: don't run people over the first place) or the fact that the TT is referred to as a status symbol. Having previously had a TT 255, the only status it seemed to infer was that I was a hairdresser (I'm not, but the massive middle class female following the TT has will do that for a car...).
I have no issue with PH writing articles about everyday, affordable cars. They can be exciting too, and I'd love to see a writeup on say, a Vectra VXR or a Passat W8 (I know the Passat has been done). But this article reads like a gushing advert for the two cars rather than a real objective test. The fact there is so little written about the drive is a shame but at least I won't need to read the catalogue blurb or look at the options list!
t, but this line is the worst:"With its curving, pedestrian-friendly nose, sweeping side-lines and pert rear the TT is an instantly-recognisable status symbol and looks good in almost any colour.".
I don't know where to start. The fact PH is praising the pedestrian friendly nose (tip: don't run people over the first place) or the fact that the TT is referred to as a status symbol. Having previously had a TT 255, the only status it seemed to infer was that I was a hairdresser (I'm not, but the massive middle class female following the TT has will do that for a car...).
I have no issue with PH writing articles about everyday, affordable cars. They can be exciting too, and I'd love to see a writeup on say, a Vectra VXR or a Passat W8 (I know the Passat has been done). But this article reads like a gushing advert for the two cars rather than a real objective test. The fact there is so little written about the drive is a shame but at least I won't need to read the catalogue blurb or look at the options list!
aka_kerrly said:
drgoatboy said:
Pistonwot said:
a load of old drivel....
What car do you drive? Just interested as your profile doesn't say?I have raised it before on other topics with Garlic that this guy goes out of his way to find any VAG related thread outside of the VAG specific forum and proceeds to spout utter rubbish which is neither accurate nor useful but worst of all he doesn't even have a fraction of the comedy genius required to make his posts mildly entertaining.
I told you all you need to know, my car is considerably better than yours
Back on topic,
Recently Pistonheads, it can often appear, has largely become a s
t car sales brochure. It would also appear many other PH users are also fed up enough to be angry about this too. If you refuse see this as well I really wouldnt be surprised given the comedy "1 upmanship" attitude.
Pistonheads USED TO BE a place where uninformed people who needed help would recieve ACCURATE ADVICE instead of this kind of Marketing tripe.
Did you even read
the article? Diesel SPORT cars HOW???
Do inform us HOW this is SPORTY, we can only assume you actually are so easily pleased these do indeed seem sporty to you? Im just curious,,,
MAYBE its the moderate MPG the astronomical repair bills, the ever boring "pub stats for t
ts" or even the carcinogenic clouds they leave behind? Go look at the findings of recent diesel particulate studies.These objects may be OK for shopping but a sport car they aint!
No amount of double-speak will make them sporty either!
That was the claim was it not? These 2 were SPORT cars.
They are clearly more
Pistonwot said:
MAYBE its the moderate MPG the astronomical repair bills, the ever boring "pub stats for tts" or even the carcinogenic clouds they leave behind? Go look at the findings of recent diesel particulate studies.
Hold on a minute. After approximately 90-100 years of trying, they have just very very recently decided/discovered that diesel exhaust fumes is indeed carcinogenic.ts" or even the carcinogenic clouds they leave behind? Go look at the findings of recent diesel particulate studies.In the mean time, the very high and real threat to human health caused by highly carcinogenic benzene which is added to petrol, and before that the very real threat to health caused by TEL has always been perfectly well known, even as far back as the early days of the 20th century. When oil company bosses decided to add TEL to petrol they *knew* they were damaging people's health. Likewise with benzene, which has no known safe level of use.
Why on earth would you worry about diesel fumes after that? If diesel is so dangerous, why has it taken the best part of 100 years to find this out?
Every time you visit a petrol station and you smell petrol you are ingesting benzene, a highly carcinogenic substance that has no known safe level of use. Anyone worrying about diesel after that is barking.
I have a Scirocco Tdi 170 (but I call it a Scirocco Tdi 208 after its remap) and I think it’s a perfectly nice car. I accept that it’s no sports car but perfectly nice all the same.
It replaced an E46 BMW 330Ci which I also didn’t think was a sports car. It had 210bhp and my Scirocco has 208bhp and vastly more torque so it’s not really a comedown from the BMW.
The BMW was big enough both inside and in the boot that it could fit my lifestyle in it. The Scirocco is the same. I don’t really get why the 330Ci somehow seemed to have more credibility than the Scirocco does. I guess it’s because it was rear wheel drive, petrol and 6cyl. It was slightly more interesting than a 3 series saloon just like a Scirocco is slightly more interesting than a Golf.
Boxters, Caymans, Z4’s, 370Z’s, et are all undoubtedly nicer to drive but simply not big enough for my needs.
Petrol Vs. Diesel is hardly a religious war. Some people prefer Diesels (lots of people given their better residuals) get over it.
It replaced an E46 BMW 330Ci which I also didn’t think was a sports car. It had 210bhp and my Scirocco has 208bhp and vastly more torque so it’s not really a comedown from the BMW.
The BMW was big enough both inside and in the boot that it could fit my lifestyle in it. The Scirocco is the same. I don’t really get why the 330Ci somehow seemed to have more credibility than the Scirocco does. I guess it’s because it was rear wheel drive, petrol and 6cyl. It was slightly more interesting than a 3 series saloon just like a Scirocco is slightly more interesting than a Golf.
Boxters, Caymans, Z4’s, 370Z’s, et are all undoubtedly nicer to drive but simply not big enough for my needs.
Petrol Vs. Diesel is hardly a religious war. Some people prefer Diesels (lots of people given their better residuals) get over it.
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