RE: Mustang to Capri in one move
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
J4CKO said:
Dont Ford keep the live axle for the Drag racing fraternity, surely they could develop a more sophisticated setup but still offer a more traditional option for those who want it ?
I think that's part of it. The other side of the coin is "it works" so why change it? Ok it's slightly more lively on poor surfaces, but it's not dangerous and really has little effect on the cars overall ability. In fact I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't be able to tell a live axle from IRS under road driving conditions anyhow. So sadly it comes down to media pressure and bulls
t from those that don't know any better. 
Jimbo. said:
Before everyone whinges and bhes about "V8 this" and "Horrible euro engine" that, remember that not every Capri sold was a RS3100, Tickford or 2.8i. The vast majority, I suspect, were "everyman" cars: 1300 and 1600s. Yet people still remember it fondly. So a four-pot Capri wouldn't be the sacrilege that may would make it out to be...
Quite right mate. Most popular engine purchased was the 1.6 sohc out of the 1,886,647 produced. The 2.0 Pinto was probably the best option at the time for performance vs economy. The Pinto was was a tunable engine back then. When the mk1 Capri originally came out one in four new cars sold was a Capri. When the 2.8 4 speed was introduced around 1980/1 it was capable of a genuine 132mph. It was certainly no slouch and a hell of a lot of fun to drive. hes about "V8 this" and "Horrible euro engine" that, remember that not every Capri sold was a RS3100, Tickford or 2.8i. The vast majority, I suspect, were "everyman" cars: 1300 and 1600s. Yet people still remember it fondly. So a four-pot Capri wouldn't be the sacrilege that may would make it out to be...Jimbo. said:
Before everyone whinges and bhes about "V8 this" and "Horrible euro engine" that, remember that not every Capri sold was a RS3100, Tickford or 2.8i. The vast majority, I suspect, were "everyman" cars: 1300 and 1600s. Yet people still remember it fondly. So a four-pot Capri wouldn't be the sacrilege that may would make it out to be...
No but it would be sacrilege to put an in-line 4 in a Mustang hes about "V8 this" and "Horrible euro engine" that, remember that not every Capri sold was a RS3100, Tickford or 2.8i. The vast majority, I suspect, were "everyman" cars: 1300 and 1600s. Yet people still remember it fondly. So a four-pot Capri wouldn't be the sacrilege that may would make it out to be...
I'm on the lookout for a GT500 myself - as soon as I sort out my funds. But a very good mate of mine has just bought one, so was out and about in his yesterday. That surge of accelleration, coupled with a nice Magnaflow muffled exhaust and a dash of supercharger whine - is very addictive
300bhp/ton said:
J4CKO said:
Dont Ford keep the live axle for the Drag racing fraternity, surely they could develop a more sophisticated setup but still offer a more traditional option for those who want it ?
I think that's part of it. The other side of the coin is "it works" so why change it? Ok it's slightly more lively on poor surfaces, but it's not dangerous and really has little effect on the cars overall ability. In fact I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't be able to tell a live axle from IRS under road driving conditions anyhow. So sadly it comes down to media pressure and bullst from those that don't know any better. Cost saving was the rationale - nothing more or less. The next one will have IRS - but when this car was on the drawing board the IRS equipped car could not make budget - and the front set-up is so good that it more than equalizes the compromise at the rear.
I have a 5.0GT and my driving enjoyment is not dulled by the rear axle limitations - even though I initially was determined to find fault with it.
I totally agree with your last statement about media preaching and critique from those who've probably never even driven one.
Yes, would agree on the front, feels like its going to be a bit vague and then it really does turn in nicely and provides good feedback, would need to pull the thing that feed the cabin noise under full throttle and have it do it all the time.
In the US people love it, I was amazed at the positive reaction, it isn't like it is an unattainable car, over here it means you are fairly wealthy as they are expensive to buy and expensive to run (fuel wise), in the US I don't think they are considered expensive, see lots of European stuff like BMW's that must be more expensive.
I reckon Ford, with their handling know how can produce something that is a class leader once they can go for an IRS, the GT produces about the same power as an E92 M3 (412 plays 414), weight is similar at somewhere in the 1600 ish kilos range, perhaps we will then go to talking about interior plastics rather than the rear axle ?
In the US people love it, I was amazed at the positive reaction, it isn't like it is an unattainable car, over here it means you are fairly wealthy as they are expensive to buy and expensive to run (fuel wise), in the US I don't think they are considered expensive, see lots of European stuff like BMW's that must be more expensive.
I reckon Ford, with their handling know how can produce something that is a class leader once they can go for an IRS, the GT produces about the same power as an E92 M3 (412 plays 414), weight is similar at somewhere in the 1600 ish kilos range, perhaps we will then go to talking about interior plastics rather than the rear axle ?
300bhp/ton said:
PhilJames said:
let's not forget they pay the equivalent of just £14,256 including local taxes (California) for the base 'stang. That's for a 3.7-litre V6 making 305hp and you still get stuff like 17-inch alloys, six-speed manual and remote locking. You can lease one for £151 a month, with £2,000 down.
"But they don't do they... not unless they are all earning UK£ wages at any rate....Price is relative. If you live and work in the USA and paid a normal US$ wage then you'll pay 20 something K for a new Stang, not 14."
PhilJames said:
How much will that be by the time it gets here with 21st century suspension?
My friend paid £20k to a dealership all in for a brand new 2010 V6 GT imported from the stated to Dubai, but I don't know how much import duty is in that price or import duty into the UK.
I suspect the sale price is cheaper now as the exchange rate is slightly more in our favour than 2 years ago.
Not that we know how much the new model will be. I suspect the final price is too expensive for me as the appeal of the Mustang is what you get for the money and we will probably get ripped off for RHD.
It is a really nice car on main roads, but I'm not sure about the country lanes (didn't go on any in Dubai).
PhilJames said:
The first bit was from the PH article so I have no idea what that is based on (I'm sure I'd be a lot better off).
My friend paid £20k to a dealership all in for a brand new 2010 V6 GT imported from the stated to Dubai, but I don't know how much import duty is in that price or import duty into the UK.
I suspect the sale price is cheaper now as the exchange rate is slightly more in our favour than 2 years ago.
Not that we know how much the new model will be. I suspect the final price is too expensive for me as the appeal of the Mustang is what you get for the money and we will probably get ripped off for RHD.
It is a really nice car on main roads, but I'm not sure about the country lanes (didn't go on any in Dubai).
I'm sure they could sell it at a sensible price. Afterall LR and Jaguar manage to build cars in the UK ans ship them to the US and still sell them for less money than here. However whether Ford would actually do so is another thing entirely.My friend paid £20k to a dealership all in for a brand new 2010 V6 GT imported from the stated to Dubai, but I don't know how much import duty is in that price or import duty into the UK.
I suspect the sale price is cheaper now as the exchange rate is slightly more in our favour than 2 years ago.
Not that we know how much the new model will be. I suspect the final price is too expensive for me as the appeal of the Mustang is what you get for the money and we will probably get ripped off for RHD.
It is a really nice car on main roads, but I'm not sure about the country lanes (didn't go on any in Dubai).
As for country lanes..... have another
Ari said:
irocfan said:
can't help thinking that a euro-Stang would end up being a disappointment
Isn't that essentially what the Capri was? That wasn't a disappointment. 
PanzerCommander said:
I can see them selling but not in massive numbers (similar to the Monaro/VXR8 mentioned above) but Ford have already stated in a previous press release that Europe will not initially be getting the V8, only the 4 pot turbo and a V6.(
fk-me it's not even out yet and it's ALREADY a disappointment!!Edited by irocfan on Tuesday 6th November 19:05
Just to be slightly pedantic, not having a go:
PhilJames said:
My friend paid £20k to a dealership all in for a brand new 2010 V6 GT
The V6 and GT are different cars. The GT is the V8.PhilJames said:
but I don't know how much import duty is in that price or import duty into the UK.
Import duty is 10%, add that to the price of the car and shipping then add VAT.For me though, if I buy a Mustang that's what I'd expect to get. Not some watered down altered version because they don't think we are man enough for the real deal.
A Capri I wouldn't object too, but again I wouldn't simply want a de-specced Mustang with some visual changes. I'd want something built to be a Capri.
A Capri I wouldn't object too, but again I wouldn't simply want a de-specced Mustang with some visual changes. I'd want something built to be a Capri.
Roo said:
Just to be slightly pedantic, not having a go:
Sorry about that, I don't know where I got the GT from, it clearly has no GT badge. PhilJames said:
My friend paid £20k to a dealership all in for a brand new 2010 V6 GT
The V6 and GT are different cars. The GT is the V8.PhilJames said:
but I don't know how much import duty is in that price or import duty into the UK.
Import duty is 10%, add that to the price of the car and shipping then add VAT.
RHD Mustang yes please , i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO
As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
, i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
No point in getting all excited...
If there is a Capri, it will be designed for European roads. In other words, with fuel prices, VED, and the popularity of diesel in mind (although I suppose they might at least sell a version with the fast Focus engine in RWD format).
If Ford are optimistic enough to build a RHD "Mustang" version, then Ford UK will price it at the level of an equivalent German car, rather than on the basis of making a profit, and nobody will buy it.
If there is a Capri, it will be designed for European roads. In other words, with fuel prices, VED, and the popularity of diesel in mind (although I suppose they might at least sell a version with the fast Focus engine in RWD format).
If Ford are optimistic enough to build a RHD "Mustang" version, then Ford UK will price it at the level of an equivalent German car, rather than on the basis of making a profit, and nobody will buy it.
My initial excitement has been greatly reduced by looking a what appears to be a stretched Focus meets Astra. Nothing wrong with those cars but not how a Capri should look!
I'll stick with my humble but fantastic looking classic MK1 thanks. Here's a photo of it with my wifes MX5 Eunos. No white goods in sight!
I'll stick with my humble but fantastic looking classic MK1 thanks. Here's a photo of it with my wifes MX5 Eunos. No white goods in sight!
Edited by killingjoker on Tuesday 6th November 20:49
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