RE: Mustang to Capri in one move
Discussion
peter450 said:
RHD Mustang yes please 
, i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO
As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
The reason they are so expensive over here is due to the taxes etc. in the UK as I said at the current exchange rate the general rule of thumb is $1 = £1 by the time it gets to your door ready to drive., i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
It has nothing to do with profiteering on behalf of the dealers or otherwise, they were cheap 5 years or so ago when it reached $2.1 to £1. The invoice for my car (2006 GT premium with a few options was £15800) By the time it was in the UK and the import company had their cut that had risen to ~£27000. You would have been able to probably save maybe £2500 importing by yourself and doing the lighting conversion yourself (risky as the CAN bus on the 05+ cars is very sensitive to being bodged).
I really wish the articles (goes for all motoring press in the UK) wouldn’t quote the price in the US by dividing it by the current exchange rate to give how much they cost as it isn’t a fair representation, contact somebody like Roo and he will give you the true OTR price in the UK for an import.
killingjoker said:
My initial excitement has been greatly reduced by looking a what appears to be a stretched Focus meets Astra. Nothing wrong with those cars but not how a Capri should look!
I'll stick with my humble but fantastic looking classic MK1 thanks. Here's a photo of it with my wifes MX5 Eunos. No white goods in sight!
Isn't your Capri a sort of stretched Escort meets Vauxhall Magnum? I'll stick with my humble but fantastic looking classic MK1 thanks. Here's a photo of it with my wifes MX5 Eunos. No white goods in sight!
Edited by killingjoker on Tuesday 6th November 20:49
As for a turbo 4, there was one of those from 1979 to 1986 as well...
Not a complaint but just for your general edification: The flag of the United States is referred to as the "Stars and Stripes." The term "Stars and Bars" refers to the battle flag of the Confederate States of America, the flag that the Duke boys have painted on the roof of their orange Charger. That flag, incidentally, was inspired in part by the Cross of St. Andrew on Scotland's flag. In fact, "Bonnie Blue Flag", was an anthem of the Confederacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS7Y4XszJyg
The reason for that is that when the Scots finally got around to coming to America after the War for Independence, the good land on the east coast, east of the Appalachian Mountains, had already been taken, so they went further west into Tennessee and southward, and when the South secceded, many of the Scots in America transferred their feelings about the English to the North, who they saw as oppressors, and who just happened to be more of English originn anyway.
And you thought that you came to PistonHeads just to talk about cars.
The reason for that is that when the Scots finally got around to coming to America after the War for Independence, the good land on the east coast, east of the Appalachian Mountains, had already been taken, so they went further west into Tennessee and southward, and when the South secceded, many of the Scots in America transferred their feelings about the English to the North, who they saw as oppressors, and who just happened to be more of English originn anyway.
And you thought that you came to PistonHeads just to talk about cars.
PanzerCommander said:
peter450 said:
RHD Mustang yes please , i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO
As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
The reason they are so expensive over here is due to the taxes etc. in the UK as I said at the current exchange rate the general rule of thumb is $1 = £1 by the time it gets to your door ready to drive., i just hope the sytling is good, i like the current US car styling and hope the next one looks even better, they still have not topped the looks of the original IMO As to the Monaro it was a bit of a damp squib for 2 reasons
Firstly it was way to expensive, and secondly it was the wrong car, a fast saloon (lots of those here already)
If they had bought over a RHD Corvette, or Mustang or Camaro and sold at a price not double what you pay in the US, 30% premium tops, it would have been a huge success IMO
It has nothing to do with profiteering on behalf of the dealers or otherwise, they were cheap 5 years or so ago when it reached $2.1 to £1. The invoice for my car (2006 GT premium with a few options was £15800) By the time it was in the UK and the import company had their cut that had risen to ~£27000. You would have been able to probably save maybe £2500 importing by yourself and doing the lighting conversion yourself (risky as the CAN bus on the 05+ cars is very sensitive to being bodged).
I really wish the articles (goes for all motoring press in the UK) wouldn’t quote the price in the US by dividing it by the current exchange rate to give how much they cost as it isn’t a fair representation, contact somebody like Roo and he will give you the true OTR price in the UK for an import.
The reality though is when these US cars do come here officially, there not only all LHD, but the sticker price goes straight from $ to £ and then gets X2'd and thats the problem, the value just is not there anymore
Edited by peter450 on Wednesday 7th November 00:12
The Mustang makes perfect sense in America. However, I just don't see it ever making big inroads into the UK or European market, even if you could buy one for the same give-away price you can buy one for here in Texas. The stark reality is that a Golf GTI (which sells for almost exactly the same money) makes mores sense for a keen driver even in Houston. And from what I can see here in Houston that's exactly the same conclusion many people reach.
Having said that, the Mustang is amazing value for money, just as the Camaro and Challenger do as well. Not to mention the gorgeous corvette you can buy for only about 25 grand (pounds sterling).
Where the big yank muscle car still makes sense is in it's ability to deliver stoking performance and relaxed cruising capability, combined with a supple ride over rather poor road surfaces (these are often much worse than the UK, even in Texas, which is much more prosperous than some other states). I took a ride in a new Golf GTI and here was shocked at how uncomfortable it was on Houston roads. Twisty bits to enjoy great cornering capability are few and far between here. The space and bland topography mean the roads are wide and much straighter than most Britons could imagine. However, on the local super highways, speeds are high (and hardly anybody sticks to the limit). You need something that has great mid-range acceleration to enable you to confidently merge into the stream of fast traffic. When you understand all this, and get used to cheap fuel (around than half the UK price I think), you quickly understand the reasoning behind owning monster V8 pick-ups and SUVs and the smooth riding fast (bigger engined) sedans and muscle cars.
Having said that, the Mustang is amazing value for money, just as the Camaro and Challenger do as well. Not to mention the gorgeous corvette you can buy for only about 25 grand (pounds sterling).
Where the big yank muscle car still makes sense is in it's ability to deliver stoking performance and relaxed cruising capability, combined with a supple ride over rather poor road surfaces (these are often much worse than the UK, even in Texas, which is much more prosperous than some other states). I took a ride in a new Golf GTI and here was shocked at how uncomfortable it was on Houston roads. Twisty bits to enjoy great cornering capability are few and far between here. The space and bland topography mean the roads are wide and much straighter than most Britons could imagine. However, on the local super highways, speeds are high (and hardly anybody sticks to the limit). You need something that has great mid-range acceleration to enable you to confidently merge into the stream of fast traffic. When you understand all this, and get used to cheap fuel (around than half the UK price I think), you quickly understand the reasoning behind owning monster V8 pick-ups and SUVs and the smooth riding fast (bigger engined) sedans and muscle cars.
voltage_maxx said:
As perhaps suggested, why not a turbo four-pot and V6 version, badged as a Capri, and then the full fat V8 versions as Mustangs?
It would fit in entirely with the model heritage, and would be more marketable too.
No-one wants to say they have a V6 Mustang, but a V6 Capri sounds cool!
This exactly.It would fit in entirely with the model heritage, and would be more marketable too.
No-one wants to say they have a V6 Mustang, but a V6 Capri sounds cool!
Mikebentley said:
I had a black 280 Special Capri with the dealer option of the Turbo Technics 240 bhp kit in 1996 which was a few years old. It was fantastic fun with predictable tail happy handling. The point I'm making is what would be wrong with a V6 Capri?
nowt wrong with a V6 Capri - however would you be just as happy owning a 4 pot 1.6 (or even 1.3)? I know some would but as an enthusiast....The original Capri was meant to be a Mustang for the UK, just smaller. I dont want to see the Capri name resurected, I would rather when this model comes to the UK it is called Mustang. It would not have any styling cues with the Capri, so why use the name.
We really get ass raped when it comes to new car prices, in many cases our cousins across the pond pay nearly half what we pay, even for fuel.
We really get ass raped when it comes to new car prices, in many cases our cousins across the pond pay nearly half what we pay, even for fuel.
Escort Si-130 said:
The original Capri was meant to be a Mustang for the UK, just smaller. I dont want to see the Capri name resurected, I would rather when this model comes to the UK it is called Mustang. It would not have any styling cues with the Capri, so why use the name.
We really get ass raped when it comes to new car prices, in many cases our cousins across the pond pay nearly half what we pay, even for fuel.
The Mustang could be panelled to look like a Capri - it has the same historic proportions - long bonnet, short ass.We really get ass raped when it comes to new car prices, in many cases our cousins across the pond pay nearly half what we pay, even for fuel.
Americans, on average, earn less and production costs tend to be lower. Nothing is black and white apart from some of their police cars.
There is a bit of bad feeling about Ford here as they have just closed the local factory and put a lot of people out of work. We had the plant at Genk and still have the test track at Lommel and there is a question mark over it's future as Ford are building a new facility in Turkey and China. So don't know how well a new Ford will go down here.
Now must start to quiz the daughter-in-law as she is a test driver at Ford
Now must start to quiz the daughter-in-law as she is a test driver at Ford
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