RE: Spotted: Porsche 928 GTS
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My dad had one for a while it was brilliant, despite being old it really felt like a quality piece of engineering, however you didn't really get the "Porsche w
ker" stigma that may come from some in a "yuppies" 911. It used to wake me up when Dad left for work and I always knew when he got home, the V8 was beautifully smooth and made a glorious bassy note. We drove down to Monaco in it and it was the perfect machine, from bolting down the motorways to twisting through the vercors. If I remember rightly it drank fuel and oil and parts were very pricey. Despite this, dad bought it (a particularly ratty one) for around 2 grand, did it up and sold it for 5! He also put a beautiful Moto Lita wooden steering wheel to replace that vulgar 80's shoe box of a steering wheel. I do remember he and I lusted after a manual as it would have been that bit more involving. Great car, espacially given how much they are and the technology within them.
ker" stigma that may come from some in a "yuppies" 911. It used to wake me up when Dad left for work and I always knew when he got home, the V8 was beautifully smooth and made a glorious bassy note. We drove down to Monaco in it and it was the perfect machine, from bolting down the motorways to twisting through the vercors. If I remember rightly it drank fuel and oil and parts were very pricey. Despite this, dad bought it (a particularly ratty one) for around 2 grand, did it up and sold it for 5! He also put a beautiful Moto Lita wooden steering wheel to replace that vulgar 80's shoe box of a steering wheel. I do remember he and I lusted after a manual as it would have been that bit more involving. Great car, espacially given how much they are and the technology within them.Its an alloy cylinder with nicasil coating, as for blocks never, you are the one quoting utter tosh, i have had one apart , the lip at the gasket face of the bore had been eaten away by the unchanged coolant, a repair would have a major cost on a car of low value, this was all overseen by an AFN Porsche mechanic,
Cheburator mk2 said:
A good tip indeed - coolant must be changed every 2 years...
The rest of the post is utter tosh... The 928 engine is without liners and uses alusil, so it is easily repairable if the bores are scratched or eroded. Yet to see a block with any damage to the cylinders from headgasket failure. Heads yes, block never...
The rest of the post is utter tosh... The 928 engine is without liners and uses alusil, so it is easily repairable if the bores are scratched or eroded. Yet to see a block with any damage to the cylinders from headgasket failure. Heads yes, block never...
andybu said:
I tried a manual 928 before buying but the clutch needs quite high input pressure; frankly too much to be pleasurable in city driving & congested traffic.
I've read this before and don't understand it, perhaps the one you drove had an upgraded or dodgy clutch. I have an '87 S4 manual and do a lot of city driving, the clutch pressure required is similar to my Toyota Camry. Ok, maybe a little heavier but not heavy.It was the Series 1, in 'Risky Business' I loved. The purity, shape, smaller wheels. It was and still is a thing of beauty in my eyes. The rest never looked as good. The spoilers, dish alloys etc detracted from the original concept.
This though, the GTS was a marked improvement, the extra bulges and cup alloys made the rest of it work.
I like it a lot.
This though, the GTS was a marked improvement, the extra bulges and cup alloys made the rest of it work.
I like it a lot.
boundary1840 said:
Its an alloy cylinder with nicasil coating, as for blocks never, you are the one quoting utter tosh, i have had one apart , the lip at the gasket face of the bore had been eaten away by the unchanged coolant, a repair would have a major cost on a car of low value, this was all overseen by an AFN Porsche mechanic,
Mate, you're talking utter ste... One of the things the 928 is famous for is the first use of liner-less block made of alusil... Check your facts before coming across all authoritative...FYI, I am on my 3d 928... I have built this little dry sumped gem with help from friends... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_W68SpSQMk&fea..., on top of that there is a GTS 5-spd identical to the one in the article sitting in my garage and next to it there is another 6.2 litre Porsche V8 engine being build as a spare for my GTS racer. I have also worked on a few more 928 engines than you have ever seen, even in picture format...
So, who is talking rubbish again?
And, btw, just in case you are still full of it... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alusil
Loving my '90 S4 so far. Only 1 sticky ABS relay to report. Removed, gave it a shoogle and re-fitted and all is well. Can't ask for better than that.
Being auto i thought would be an issue but if you leave it in "3" after you've pulled away then you've got 10-120mph in 2 gears, red line in each if you keep your toe in. It's more than enough for hooning.
Being auto i thought would be an issue but if you leave it in "3" after you've pulled away then you've got 10-120mph in 2 gears, red line in each if you keep your toe in. It's more than enough for hooning.
Cheburator mk2 said:
I am also sick of people saying they are expensive to run...
Well sorry to say but it's a fact. I got a 928 not because I wanted a porsche but because I wanted something with a V8.
At the time I test drove several: corvette ZR1, Cadillac STS, 500E, and 928
For me the 928 looked the best and like the 500E was fully loaded with ABS. airbags, electric every thing, AC, Traction control. The vettes always seemed to have very tired looking bodywork with the sun making the bumpers a different color to the bonnet or the roof. The cadillacs always seemed to have trim pieces falling off for some at even well below 100km.
I loved it and especialy the autobox with kick down option and the 1-2-3-D gate that allowed you to play almost as a manual. I lived in the Paris area at the time and a manual was not an option in heavy traffic. Sounded awesome with a Techart rear pipe that removed the last box. (saved 20kg just doing that I think lol)
but when compared to the runing cost of my mate's 500E that had the same engine size and gearbox (ZF auto) he was more or less at 30% of my yearly running costs for similar milage.
Most porsche delears now have not clue about the 928. I remember the 1st official dealer I went to the young mechanic didnt even know porsche had made a V8 powered car !!?
Cheb's point is perhaps better expressed as "don't be put off by massive running costs, they are no worse than a 944 [except for spark plugs!]"
The fact is that any 80s Porsche is going to cost a couple of grand a year to keep in top nick. Find a decent specialist, get on the email list and you can do a lot yourself. Porsche still reserve the right to rape you in unexpected ways (the Bosch accelerometer for the PSD system at hundreds of pounds comes to mind, it must be all of a £5 part from alibaba.com) but in the internet age, the frugal enthusiast has never had a better opportunity to enjoy the chairman's transport at sales manager money.
Joel
79 928 manual (modified)
91 911 C2 manual
The fact is that any 80s Porsche is going to cost a couple of grand a year to keep in top nick. Find a decent specialist, get on the email list and you can do a lot yourself. Porsche still reserve the right to rape you in unexpected ways (the Bosch accelerometer for the PSD system at hundreds of pounds comes to mind, it must be all of a £5 part from alibaba.com) but in the internet age, the frugal enthusiast has never had a better opportunity to enjoy the chairman's transport at sales manager money.
Joel
79 928 manual (modified)
91 911 C2 manual
vinnybear said:
Well sorry to say but it's a fact.
I got a 928 not because I wanted a porsche but because I wanted something with a V8.
At the time I test drove several: corvette ZR1, Cadillac STS, 500E, and 928
For me the 928 looked the best and like the 500E was fully loaded with ABS. airbags, electric every thing, AC, Traction control. The vettes always seemed to have very tired looking bodywork with the sun making the bumpers a different color to the bonnet or the roof. The cadillacs always seemed to have trim pieces falling off for some at even well below 100km.
I loved it and especialy the autobox with kick down option and the 1-2-3-D gate that allowed you to play almost as a manual. I lived in the Paris area at the time and a manual was not an option in heavy traffic. Sounded awesome with a Techart rear pipe that removed the last box. (saved 20kg just doing that I think lol)
but when compared to the runing cost of my mate's 500E that had the same engine size and gearbox (ZF auto) he was more or less at 30% of my yearly running costs for similar milage.
Most porsche delears now have not clue about the 928. I remember the 1st official dealer I went to the young mechanic didnt even know porsche had made a V8 powered car !!?
Agree on the main dealer lack of knowledge, although sometimes you may be surprised... Some OPCs in the UK are still pretty good with the 928 and in Germany you can still buy a 928 via the official Porsche Approved scheme... I got a 928 not because I wanted a porsche but because I wanted something with a V8.
At the time I test drove several: corvette ZR1, Cadillac STS, 500E, and 928
For me the 928 looked the best and like the 500E was fully loaded with ABS. airbags, electric every thing, AC, Traction control. The vettes always seemed to have very tired looking bodywork with the sun making the bumpers a different color to the bonnet or the roof. The cadillacs always seemed to have trim pieces falling off for some at even well below 100km.
I loved it and especialy the autobox with kick down option and the 1-2-3-D gate that allowed you to play almost as a manual. I lived in the Paris area at the time and a manual was not an option in heavy traffic. Sounded awesome with a Techart rear pipe that removed the last box. (saved 20kg just doing that I think lol)
but when compared to the runing cost of my mate's 500E that had the same engine size and gearbox (ZF auto) he was more or less at 30% of my yearly running costs for similar milage.
Most porsche delears now have not clue about the 928. I remember the 1st official dealer I went to the young mechanic didnt even know porsche had made a V8 powered car !!?
On the subject of the 928 vs. a 500E - I happen to have a friend with a 500E that his dad came home with on the 24th Dec 1992, having elected for a factory delivery in Stuttgart. I have seen the history of the car and to be fair, the bills are pretty much the same as for a 928, right down to the heads and gearbox rebuilt...
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