RE: You Know You Want To: Lamborghini Murcielago
Discussion
Guvernator said:
While I admire the Murcielago for what it is, If I was buying a Lamborghini to actually drive rather than pose on the Kings Road, I'd choose it's smaller brother the Gallardo every time.
Why? Simple the Murci is huge, so big in fact that it becomes pretty pointless on most of our small UK roads, add in the fact that it has very poor rear visibility and I'd be a very nervous owner indeed.
The Gallardo in comparison might not be as dramatic but it's the perfect size, sharper and a better drivers car IMO. £75K will also get you a very decent Gallardo rather than a Murci from a dealer with a "reputation".
Interesting.Why? Simple the Murci is huge, so big in fact that it becomes pretty pointless on most of our small UK roads, add in the fact that it has very poor rear visibility and I'd be a very nervous owner indeed.
The Gallardo in comparison might not be as dramatic but it's the perfect size, sharper and a better drivers car IMO. £75K will also get you a very decent Gallardo rather than a Murci from a dealer with a "reputation".
I've only driven Lambos on runways hehe, but the Gallardo was my fave too... and no doubt that would only become more the case on an actual road.
Murcielago seemed to have a mega blind spot at the A pillar which meant moving your head either in or out to see around (and you'd bang your head moving it out), and it's pretty wide too.
Gallardo had all the drama but just 'worked' for me.
I think they even look better in the skin too.
/runs and hides
Mr Whippy said:
Guvernator said:
While I admire the Murcielago for what it is, If I was buying a Lamborghini to actually drive rather than pose on the Kings Road, I'd choose it's smaller brother the Gallardo every time.
Why? Simple the Murci is huge, so big in fact that it becomes pretty pointless on most of our small UK roads, add in the fact that it has very poor rear visibility and I'd be a very nervous owner indeed.
The Gallardo in comparison might not be as dramatic but it's the perfect size, sharper and a better drivers car IMO. £75K will also get you a very decent Gallardo rather than a Murci from a dealer with a "reputation".
Interesting.Why? Simple the Murci is huge, so big in fact that it becomes pretty pointless on most of our small UK roads, add in the fact that it has very poor rear visibility and I'd be a very nervous owner indeed.
The Gallardo in comparison might not be as dramatic but it's the perfect size, sharper and a better drivers car IMO. £75K will also get you a very decent Gallardo rather than a Murci from a dealer with a "reputation".
I've only driven Lambos on runways hehe, but the Gallardo was my fave too... and no doubt that would only become more the case on an actual road.
Murcielago seemed to have a mega blind spot at the A pillar which meant moving your head either in or out to see around (and you'd bang your head moving it out), and it's pretty wide too.
Gallardo had all the drama but just 'worked' for me.
I think they even look better in the skin too.
/runs and hides
Found early Gallardo pretty disappointing to drive myself. Snatchy drivetrain.. just felt like a prototype, slightly quicker R8. Even the V10 noise wasn't as dramatic as I thought it would be. Still, each to their own I guess.
tbc said:
it's starting to how it's age
not saying I would't want it, just making an observation
I think a lot of this has to do with the wheels but swap them for a later wheel and they look superb and a lot less aged IMO. Lots of want and a relative bargain considering other cars in that range, it's only slightly more than it's younger sibling, the Gallardo!not saying I would't want it, just making an observation
watch out for these high mileage one owner (read hire company) supercars. i would personally purchase from a official dealership or specialist and take the hit if going for lambo/ferrari etc just for piece of mind. To think your pride and joy has been constantly ragged by muppet after muppet who doesn't know how to drive/doesn't care about the car is not something i'd enjoy living with.
Earlier this year they had a very nice f430 sypder with ridiculous mileage for a very tempting price iirc but i wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
p.s. BRABUS ROCKET looks nice but they claim 0-60 in 6.1 for a 740bhp monster???????????????????????
Earlier this year they had a very nice f430 sypder with ridiculous mileage for a very tempting price iirc but i wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
p.s. BRABUS ROCKET looks nice but they claim 0-60 in 6.1 for a 740bhp monster???????????????????????
Edited by donkamio on Wednesday 7th November 16:17
Ok, just had a quick Google of Keighley and it certainly doesn't have the best rep... But, to reiterate Dan's point earlier, this is an article on the value represented by early Murcielagos, not the legitimacy of the dealer selling it.
I apologise if it made the impression that it was advertising for them, it most certainly wasn't intended to be; having had a couple of dodgy dealer experiences, the last thing I would want is to condone them!
Matt
I apologise if it made the impression that it was advertising for them, it most certainly wasn't intended to be; having had a couple of dodgy dealer experiences, the last thing I would want is to condone them!
Matt
Reading Evo's long-term fast fleet test of the Murci I'd say it's pretty encouraging - buy one that's actually been used in its early life and most of the stupid stuff will have been remedied under warranty.
Having stood up reasonably well (save a new crank towards the end) to 6500 miles on track and 38k road miles in their hands it sounds like a pretty solid machine.
Having stood up reasonably well (save a new crank towards the end) to 6500 miles on track and 38k road miles in their hands it sounds like a pretty solid machine.
crispyshark said:
Nearly as renowned as a certain 'performance' car dealership down in Four Marks, Hampshire that used to specialise in S2000's.....why do PH endorse/legitimise these garages that clearly and consistently have treated customers badly?!
I don't think you can expect someone writing a 'YKYWT' piece to check into the background of every dealer - however it's also wrong to call-out people for highlighting that the dealer has a reputation or that they had a poor experience with them.It's not an N&S issue if PH decide to promote a dealer and that results in a backlash anymore than if a load of people say "that dealer is brilliant".
P.T. Barnum said "say anything about me you like - just make sure you spell my name right" and he did OK
It's not the same as someone wandering into a random Lambo thread and saying "X dealer's car will be a shed because they're cowboys" - there's no "naming" here because the article brings the dealer into the discussion so it's logical that people would either endorse them or criticise them based on their own experiences (but preferrably not hearsay or gossip).
In fact I'd go so far to say that any attempt to dissuade this would appear dishonest on PH's part - there's a fine line between pointing-out 'bargains' and shilling for your advertisers, after all.
I loved the Murci. Just didn't have the bottle to follow through. I test drove one, loved its outrageous personality (and the manual button to lift the air vents) so placed an order for it in Grigio Antares, which looked fantastic. Problem was a few weeks later Mrs Camlet and I followed a Murci over speed bumps near our home. I was driving her Rangey. The driver in the Lambo was accelerating hard between speed bumps then braking hard, crawling over each bump and beginning the drag start for another few feet. All with a huge sports exhaust bellowing away. We were wafting along behind. By the seventh bump Mrs Camlet looked over to me, calmly pointed out the driver was a complete plonker, made a comment about middle aged men driving such cars and said cancel the order. Yes, I admit I was a total wuss but if you knew Mrs Camlet you'd know it was pointless to argue. Still, loved the fun of the car though. And I say full marks to Audi for making it happen.
Camlet said:
I loved the Murci. Just didn't have the bottle to follow through. I test drove one, loved its outrageous personality (and the manual button to lift the air vents) so placed an order for it in Grigio Antares, which looked fantastic. Problem was a few weeks later Mrs Camlet and I followed a Murci over speed bumps near our home. I was driving her Rangey. The driver in the Lambo was accelerating hard between speed bumps then braking hard, crawling over each bump and beginning the drag start for another few feet. All with a huge sports exhaust bellowing away. We were wafting along behind. By the seventh bump Mrs Camlet looked over to me, calmly pointed out the driver was a complete plonker, made a comment about middle aged men driving such cars and said cancel the order. Yes, I admit I was a total wuss but if you knew Mrs Camlet you'd know it was pointless to argue. Still, loved the fun of the car though. And I say full marks to Audi for making it happen.
A plonker is still a plonker, whether he is in a Vauxhall Corsa or a Lambo Murcielago. It's an awesome very rare car to see on the roads - shouldn't have let a comment stop you from enjoying it.What did you get instead out of interest?
I actually think the Miura is still the best looking car ever. Might be one of the worst to drive and own, but blimey, look at it!
http://www.autosalon-singen.de/photos/lamborghini_...
http://www.autosalon-singen.de/photos/lamborghini_...
rajkohli81 said:
I feel the 'Moochy' is on a different level to Gallardo for drama.
Found early Gallardo pretty disappointing to drive myself. Snatchy drivetrain.. just felt like a prototype, slightly quicker R8. Even the V10 noise wasn't as dramatic as I thought it would be. Still, each to their own I guess.
On the drama front the Murci certainly has it's baby brother licked, it just has massive road presence, Lambo doors and THAT V12. I do think time has been kinder to the Gallardo though, as others had already stated the Murci is starting to show it's age a bit whereas the Gallardo looks a bit timeless as it isn't as fussy.Found early Gallardo pretty disappointing to drive myself. Snatchy drivetrain.. just felt like a prototype, slightly quicker R8. Even the V10 noise wasn't as dramatic as I thought it would be. Still, each to their own I guess.
Your right though, Lamborghini definitely used early Gallardo owners as a test bed but most of the issues where ironed out by the 3rd iteration.
donkamio said:
watch out for these high mileage one owner (read hire company) supercars. i would personally purchase from a official dealership or specialist and take the hit if going for lambo/ferrari etc just for piece of mind. To think your pride and joy has been constantly ragged by muppet after muppet who doesn't know how to drive/doesn't care about the car is not something i'd enjoy living with.
Earlier this year they had a very nice f430 sypder with ridiculous mileage for a very tempting price iirc but i wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
p.s. BRABUS ROCKET looks nice but they claim 0-60 in 6.1 for a 740bhp monster???????????????????????
Apparently it was no such thing.Earlier this year they had a very nice f430 sypder with ridiculous mileage for a very tempting price iirc but i wouldn't touch it with a bargepole
p.s. BRABUS ROCKET looks nice but they claim 0-60 in 6.1 for a 740bhp monster???????????????????????
Edited by donkamio on Wednesday 7th November 16:17
My weekend with one.
Awesome, but curiously stressful in terms of logistics. I'm sure I'd get used to it under long term ownership.
Awesome, but curiously stressful in terms of logistics. I'm sure I'd get used to it under long term ownership.
jeremyc said:
My weekend with one.
Awesome, but curiously stressful in terms of logistics. I'm sure I'd get used to it under long term ownership.
Perfect!Awesome, but curiously stressful in terms of logistics. I'm sure I'd get used to it under long term ownership.
These articles get so repetitive and full of cliche, eg:
"it just exudes class, style and subtlety.", talking about how 10 yr olds think of supercars, etc
PH needs to write better, more insightful articles, even if it means doing them less frequently. It gets quite atrocious sometimes. It is getting to the point where I can play bingo with the phrases
'why not pick up a piece of italian madness for the price of a mondeo'
etc etc.
"it just exudes class, style and subtlety.", talking about how 10 yr olds think of supercars, etc
PH needs to write better, more insightful articles, even if it means doing them less frequently. It gets quite atrocious sometimes. It is getting to the point where I can play bingo with the phrases
'why not pick up a piece of italian madness for the price of a mondeo'
etc etc.
Anubis said:
Camlet said:
I loved the Murci. Just didn't have the bottle to follow through. I test drove one, loved its outrageous personality (and the manual button to lift the air vents) so placed an order for it in Grigio Antares, which looked fantastic. Problem was a few weeks later Mrs Camlet and I followed a Murci over speed bumps near our home. I was driving her Rangey. The driver in the Lambo was accelerating hard between speed bumps then braking hard, crawling over each bump and beginning the drag start for another few feet. All with a huge sports exhaust bellowing away. We were wafting along behind. By the seventh bump Mrs Camlet looked over to me, calmly pointed out the driver was a complete plonker, made a comment about middle aged men driving such cars and said cancel the order. Yes, I admit I was a total wuss but if you knew Mrs Camlet you'd know it was pointless to argue. Still, loved the fun of the car though. And I say full marks to Audi for making it happen.
A plonker is still a plonker, whether he is in a Vauxhall Corsa or a Lambo Murcielago. It's an awesome very rare car to see on the roads - shouldn't have let a comment stop you from enjoying it.What did you get instead out of interest?
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