RE: Insignia VXR Supersport: 170mph for sub £30K

[300bhp/ton]

Megaflow said:

170mph for £30K?

In reality it is likely, with a bit of haggling to be 170mph for more like £25/26k...



That's a lot of go, for not a lot of dough. Shamefully I rather like the look of them as well.

Wasn't it a couple of years ago you could get a new 500hp Bathurst for £23-25k, surely they will 170mph with more ease and get there quicker too?

[anything fast]

Pixelpeep said:

anything fast said:

If you take the rear wing off a Focus Rs Mk2 it will nudge 170mph..

Yes it will. If you drop a house brick off a high rise it will also probably nudge 170mph

anything fast said:

0-62 in 5.6 is not that quick for an AWD 325 bhp machine. An Audi S4 Costs £10,000 more, well what do you expect it is easily a £10,000 better car.

Finally a decent comparison. The audi is 0.6 seconds quicker to 60 and £10k more expensive - that makes this insignia pretty good value (which i think is the point of the thread)

anything fast said:

The perfomance is on par with a £5000 1994 BMW M3 and not even the EVO one as that will still hit 60 in 5.0 dead.

where the car weighs half as much, doesn't have any of the safety features, any of the toys and is 18 years old.

Performance is also on par with a £2500 2003 Yamaha R1 - equally irrelevant

anything fast said:

If this had 400 BHP, could hit 60 in 4.0 and had a top end of 180 and was more hardcore, I would be more keen on it. All that and a 35k price would be well worth it.

And you'd then compare it to an £8000 2005 Jag S-Type V8, wouldn't you

I dont doubt for second this is a good car, but its simply not exciting enough and nor is it a quality car. I have been in quite a few new Vauxhalls and Flimsy is the word that comes to mind.
IMO they need to make something proper hardcore... bring back the Monaro I say, the VRX was a hoot

[NotNormal]

300bhp/ton said:

Wasn't it a couple of years ago you could get a new 500hp Bathurst for £23-25k, surely they will 170mph with more ease and get there quicker too?

They are limited to 155 out the box as a friend found out at a top speed event this year.

[tomoleeds]

other options, M5 2007, £17k for a car that was £45-£50k new with heads up, etc. or a 2008 Audi S4 £23-£25k?

[KingNothing]

Bog standard CDTi Insignias are faster if examples of them being driven on dual carriageways and motorways are anything to go by.

[badoozleby]

300bhp/ton said:

Wasn't it a couple of years ago you could get a new 500hp Bathurst for £23-25k, surely they will 170mph with more ease and get there quicker too?

Yes yes yes... Now THAT's a VXR I can get excited about - and a well-used standard VXR8 is half the price of a new Insignia. Admittedly you'd need deep pockets to keep it running, but what a great way to go bankrupt!

[JuniorJet]

Is it just me or were those pics taken at Brooklands on the old circuit banking?

[Kawasicki]

fast, cheap, don't know why I am not interested.

[NotNormal]

tomoleeds said:

other options, M5 2007, £17k for a car that was £45-£50k new with heads up, etc. or a 2008 Audi S4 £23-£25k?

PH threads always the same, you cannot compare brand new against second hand

New vs New is comparable, so how about only a few k more than a GT86 for those that need more poke......

Kawasicki said:

fwd, meh

Good job its 4WD then

[Dave Hedgehog]

that's a lot of 4WD car for the money, auto, leather, nav, any colour thats not red all add to the price

[Pixelpeep]

NotNormal said:

PH threads always the same, you cannot compare brand new against second hand

New vs New is comparable, so how about only a few k more than a GT86 for those that need more poke......

I hope that was sarcasm re 'more poke'

[big_boz]

J4CKO said:

I like that but it is akin to, as a kid, your mum buying your trainers, you wanted Nike or Addidas for your birthday money but your mum came back with some "Really Jazzy" HiTec or Unbro ones, looks the part, does the job but not quite what you wanted.

To expand on your analogy, If your mum offered you the choice new "jazzy" trainers or a well worn pair of Nikaddidas that belong to someone you didn't know for a few years...which would you choose....?

[big_boz]

KingNothing said:

Bog standard CDTi Insignias are faster if examples of them being driven on dual carriageways and motorways are anything to go by.

I have driven plenty of CDTI ones...all enterprise rental cars, all driven at maximum attack at all times!

[morgrp]

I can't really see how taking the speed limiter off will improve sales other than to the small willy bragging brigade - 155mph or 170mph - who cares? you're unlikely to ever achieve either of those speeds on the public roads which lets be honest is where the car will spend a majority of it's time.

Impressive for the money and I'm sure it would make a great ground coverer - although as already mentioned its value will drop like a falling girder in the first year

[Monty Python]

How about a '07 reg BMW M5 with 24k on the clock for £25000?

[Pixelpeep]

The VXR range is available on Vauxhalls 0% flex finance deals - keep ya 30k in the bank (i know interest rates are pants but ANYTHING is better than nothing) and that might help with the depreciation slightly. Also remember the lifetime warranty on new vauxhalls

So, 0% with NO deposit over 5 years, about £500 ish a month

Don't forget to rape the dealer for their margin.

then there's vauxhalls partners program 6-12% off the price of the car if you can find someone that works for any of the companies listed.

then there's vauxhall dealers volume bonus, thats gotta be good for another 4% off.

starts to get interesting then!

[Grovsie26]

Gotta love PH. 0-60 is still the performance benchmark. 5.6 seconds is slow. Maybe if it had launch control and a PDK gearbox you'd be more impressed as it would lob the time time to 5 seconds easily.

[Pixelpeep]

Monty Python said:

How about a '07 reg BMW M5 with 24k on the clock for £25000?

New Vs old.

limited warranty (if any)
MOT's
Maintenance costs.
someone has already owned it.
Its 5 years old and almost the same price as this new!

[300bhp/ton]

morgrp said:

I can't really see how taking the speed limiter off will improve sales other than to the small willy bragging brigade - 155mph or 170mph - who cares? you're unlikely to ever achieve either of those speeds on the public roads which lets be honest is where the car will spend a majority of it's time.

Impressive for the money and I'm sure it would make a great ground coverer - although as already mentioned its value will drop like a falling girder in the first year

It's called marketing and getting the car talked about. i.e. would PH have run a front page article on it if it was still limited to 155mph? Or is it more the fact that the story of being a 170mph car for under £30k is the entire story, media coverage and more people looking and reading about the car.

Let us also not forget that Vauxhall as an entity is merely a marketing tool for the UK and that this same car is also considered to be a German Opel by many people. Of which quite a few of those will live were there are unrestricted autobahns.

[Mr Whippy]

NotNormal said:

300bhp/ton said:

Wasn't it a couple of years ago you could get a new 500hp Bathurst for £23-25k, surely they will 170mph with more ease and get there quicker too?

They are limited to 155 out the box as a friend found out at a top speed event this year.

Or £10 at mates rates to have the appropriate byte or two of data changed.


Even a 535d "mapped" from the E60 vintage would offer more car/luxury/pace for a lot less money and a whole lot more mpg I'm sure.


Again not to put the VXR down, clearly a lot of bang per buck but I doubt many people will buy one considering the average performance in real terms, probably very crap mpg, and probably extremely crap depreciation.

Dave