RE: PH Blog: diesel do nicely
Discussion
The default Diesel Bashing attitude in the PH forums is starting to grate on me.
Is f
king boring to constantly hear that diesels are rubbish and not PH material.
If you are incapable of accepting that diesel cars can provide PH worthy thrills then you are a fool. Are we suggesting that all diesels are default non-PH and thus all petrol cars are?
I think not.
I wont bother to ask the die hard anti-diesel brigade to go and drive a fast diesel with a fat wedge of torque that most equivalently priced petrol cars can get no where near, it would be a pointless waste of my time.
"diesels dont rev" neither do rover V8's but TVR's are OK are they?
Is f
king boring to constantly hear that diesels are rubbish and not PH material.If you are incapable of accepting that diesel cars can provide PH worthy thrills then you are a fool. Are we suggesting that all diesels are default non-PH and thus all petrol cars are?
I think not.
I wont bother to ask the die hard anti-diesel brigade to go and drive a fast diesel with a fat wedge of torque that most equivalently priced petrol cars can get no where near, it would be a pointless waste of my time.
"diesels dont rev" neither do rover V8's but TVR's are OK are they?
toppstuff said:
Oh for gods sake.
First we have an article suggesting that two diesel VAG Golf derivatives ( Scirocco and TT) are "two of the best exponents of the sportscar breed" and now we have an article bigging up DERV.
I love diesels. There are two on my driveway. But only because they are expedient.
Stop the madness now for the sake of all that is good. Please.
Here, here.First we have an article suggesting that two diesel VAG Golf derivatives ( Scirocco and TT) are "two of the best exponents of the sportscar breed" and now we have an article bigging up DERV.
I love diesels. There are two on my driveway. But only because they are expedient.
Stop the madness now for the sake of all that is good. Please.
Im a late convert to diesel, and am very impressed with my diesel car, but anytime I get back into a petrol, I'm reminded of what is amiss with diesel, and why it can never compete with petrol in terms of driving enjoyment (no matter how big/toquey the diesel engine).
Stinking filthy rattling carcinogenic diesels are absolutely fine for the mundane everyday drudgery suffered by the indifferent, or those whose personal circumstances require a diesel instead of a petrol. Some of us however are destined to pay a heavy price for simply hating the things and the general dumbing down of the driving experience / skills that they provide. Running a petrol car nowadays requires the heart to over-ride the head, and its the heart that inspires my passion for motoring. I don't want to read about diesels on PH, I can go to virtually every other forum to achieve that. Keep PH diesel free, please.
Great Pretender said:
And another Derv convert here 
Same I have a Diesel Daily (A truly superb Volvo S60 D5) that I'm about to replace with another, I'll be passing my fantastic S60 on to my OH (It will replace the beater golf tdi that she is currently zipping about in)
I'm looking at either BMW 320d tourer or Audi A4 Avant tdi next.
I like driving diesels.
Edit to add: I get my thrills on a litre-class Motorbike.
We really do have our forebears to blame for the hatred of diesel powered vehicles - when the internal combustion engine was in its infancy, the diesel was (because of the wonderful torque it creates) seen as the ideal powerplant for the workhorses of the automotive world, thus it was developed in that mindset, not with the intention of putting it in a sportscar, but in the hope of getting more oomph from it with better fuel economy. On the other hand petrol engines were developed massively with a constant drive for more and more power (interesting that nowadays preferred engine characteristics mean the two engine types are converging). I agree that the combustion rate of the two do dictate the nature of their output, but I'd argue that while we're almost at the performance limit of what can be done with a petrol engine, we're nowhere near it with the diesel. Likewise, I'd say we're probably nowhere near the economy limit of petrol cars, but we are for diesels.... hmmmm.... I wonder if we'll be having this same argument in 20 years time (that's assuming there's anything left to burn in our engines!)
PS I absolutely love diesels, and get my petrol kicks on a motorbike - I'd love to see someone put two Alfa 2.4jtdms together on a common crank, and tune the beejaysus out of it!
PS I absolutely love diesels, and get my petrol kicks on a motorbike - I'd love to see someone put two Alfa 2.4jtdms together on a common crank, and tune the beejaysus out of it!
Edited by Ninjajim76 on Thursday 8th November 15:11
vee5 said:
Stinking filthy rattling carcinogenic diesels are absolutely fine for the mundane everyday drudgery suffered by the indifferent, or those whose personal circumstances require a diesel instead of a petrol. Some of us however are destined to pay a heavy price for simply hating the things and the general dumbing down of the driving experience / skills that they provide. Running a petrol car nowadays requires the heart to over-ride the head, and its the heart that inspires my passion for motoring. I don't want to read about diesels on PH, I can go to virtually every other forum to achieve that. Keep PH diesel free, please.
27 posts in 5 years...yeah you love PH don't you.
y2blade said:
vee5 said:
Stinking filthy rattling carcinogenic diesels are absolutely fine for the mundane everyday drudgery suffered by the indifferent, or those whose personal circumstances require a diesel instead of a petrol. Some of us however are destined to pay a heavy price for simply hating the things and the general dumbing down of the driving experience / skills that they provide. Running a petrol car nowadays requires the heart to over-ride the head, and its the heart that inspires my passion for motoring. I don't want to read about diesels on PH, I can go to virtually every other forum to achieve that. Keep PH diesel free, please.
27 posts in 5 years...yeah you love PH don't you.I thought I'd wasted too much of my life on here, but you!?
Please do.
toppstuff said:
You would'nt think that when the third successive TDi has needed a DPF replacement yet again. Technological progression my arse.
I like it when this sort of information gets posted as it helps me decide if I want newer cars or not.Just looking at two generations of the same car I currently have, the newer car has a technically better engine and is feels more solid, but there is a sense that whilst the technology has advanced (but as your example it brings increased complexity), the manufacturing has got cheaper.
y2blade said:
vee5 said:
Stinking filthy rattling carcinogenic diesels are absolutely fine for the mundane everyday drudgery suffered by the indifferent, or those whose personal circumstances require a diesel instead of a petrol. Some of us however are destined to pay a heavy price for simply hating the things and the general dumbing down of the driving experience / skills that they provide. Running a petrol car nowadays requires the heart to over-ride the head, and its the heart that inspires my passion for motoring. I don't want to read about diesels on PH, I can go to virtually every other forum to achieve that. Keep PH diesel free, please.
27 posts in 5 years...yeah you love PH don't you.chrisemersons said:
Anyone tried a bmw 123d ? That really is a diesel thats fun. It spins up like a petrol engine but with loads of torque and bangs off the limiter very easily ! Not like the VAG diesels that you have to drag through the revs !
Yep, great motor.Have you tried the 5 pot Volvo Diesels?
big_boz said:
If you are incapable of accepting that diesel cars can provide PH worthy thrills then you are a fool.
Nope I'm not a fool, We're just opposites on how we 'enjoy' engines big_boz said:
I wont bother to ask the die hard anti-diesel brigade to go and drive a fast diesel with a fat wedge of torque that most equivalently priced petrol cars can get no where near, it would be a pointless waste of my time.
"diesels dont rev" neither do rover V8's but TVR's are OK are they?
Yes they produce more torque, but torque is absolutely meaningless without revs."diesels dont rev" neither do rover V8's but TVR's are OK are they?
Power (BHP/KW) is the rate of energy delivery (Joules/Second) that determines how fast a car goes and is a ratio of torque to revs.
HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252
Hence you could have a million Nm of torque delivered at almost no revs, or almost no torque delivered at a million revs. Both would still have the same power output and there would be no difference in performance between the two cars (assuming all other properties are the same)
Diesels have a higher torque but they don't rev as high as a petrol, hence diesels are typically no faster than a petrol since they don't produce any more power.
Best regards,
Matt
(Design Engineer) (BSc Hons. Mechanical Design)
Edited by BeirutTaxi on Thursday 8th November 15:34
chrisemersons said:
Anyone tried a bmw 123d ? That really is a diesel thats fun. It spins up like a petrol engine but with loads of torque and bangs off the limiter very easily ! Not like the VAG diesels that you have to drag through the revs !
That is one of the few modern diesels that makes me go "oooh" then I see the price and go "errr", I would love one if I was a rep and didn't have to buy the thing!y2blade said:
Yep, great motor.
Have you tried the 5 pot Volvo Diesels?
Yeh and quite a pleasing engine note inside. have to say i find equivalent petrol engines a bit flat now. Love the mid range of the diesel, youve only got to compare a 125i and 123d, the 2 litre 123d thrashes the pants off the more powerful 3 litre 6 cyl petrol in the real world 30-50 and 50-70 race. Oh and uses less fuel in process, no brainer to me. Have you tried the 5 pot Volvo Diesels?
y2blade said:
Yep, great motor.
Have you tried the 5 pot Volvo Diesels?
Yeh and quite a pleasing engine note inside. have to say i find equivalent petrol engines a bit flat now. Love the mid range of the diesel, youve only got to compare a 125i and 123d, the 2 litre 123d thrashes the pants off the more powerful 3 litre 6 cyl petrol in the real world 30-50 and 50-70 race. Oh and uses less fuel in process, no brainer to me. Have you tried the 5 pot Volvo Diesels?
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