RE: The Ferrari Macnab
Discussion
Leithen said:
There is no 'sport' in wounding game. You use whatever means possible to ensure the cleanest of kills. I'd turn on my heel and walk off the finest of hills or estates if anyone suggested otherwise. No Ghillie or professional stalker worth their salt would suggest otherwise either.
I could write screeds about the "modern 'Macnab", but it's best left by simply recommending all readers of this thread to read Buchan's John Macnab . It's a wonderful book.
Precisely. No one is talking about wounding. I could write screeds about the "modern 'Macnab", but it's best left by simply recommending all readers of this thread to read Buchan's John Macnab . It's a wonderful book.
If you can't shoot in a sporting manner then you should not be on a sporting shoot.
Commerciality has lead to far too many people of insufficient ability partaking in the sport.
It's become a game of numbers for many, not skill or sport. Greed over having paid for a day and needing to connect the size of the bag to the quality of the day. As opposed to the quality of the game.
Deer shooting is about combining your ability to move as close as possible and being as accurate as possible. But the two need to be sufficiently combined to ensure the clean kill or you should not be in the field with live ammunition but still practicing your craft. The use of a bipod highlights a skill deficiency somewhere in the mix.
I loathe the way that etiquette and skill have declined in the last 20 years so as to facilitate more paying customers. At the rate we are heading in another 20 years we'll be keeping them in pens like in America and Africa.
It's a bit of a shame that an interesting and out-of-the-ordinary piece like this has been received so negatively.
I've just watched the video and found it thoroughly enjoyable. The deer stalking and the treatment of the salmon was particularly sympathetically done. The interviews were also high points.
Was also nice to see the FF in a more appropriate context instead of Monaco/Cannes where I've only seen them before.
I'd like to see more of these "roadtrip" pieces, but I guess that's now unlikely.
I've just watched the video and found it thoroughly enjoyable. The deer stalking and the treatment of the salmon was particularly sympathetically done. The interviews were also high points.
Was also nice to see the FF in a more appropriate context instead of Monaco/Cannes where I've only seen them before.
I'd like to see more of these "roadtrip" pieces, but I guess that's now unlikely.
MajorTom said:
Rubbish.....No FF will ever be used like this. A Range Rover is far superior in these circumstances.
Which, IMO, is exactly what made this an interesting article. I think it's such a shame that brilliantly engineered and capable cars spend most of their lives in garages or cruised around grabbing attention, rather than getting mucky and used for their true worth. The FF is probably the ultimate shooting brake (and anyone who moans about using the term shooting brake is sadly lacking in romantic imagination that makes things like motoring such an interesting hobby) so sticking it full of sporting equipment and pounding the full length of the country is both appropriate and potentially realistic for the type of person who could afford one of these (in the context of using it correctly).I enjoyed the video, and expect this first article was aimed more at the field sport publication. I applaud PH for publishing content from other hobby pursuits, and I look forward to our specific road test coming tomorrow. I disagree entirely with the comments about this being TGesque, and I'm shaking my head in disbelief by the number of negative comments. Yes, freedom to make comment is integral to the benefit of forums, but FFS it's pretty clear now that some people didn't like, so please just move on and go read something else on the site - maybe have a think about how many responsibly culled deer you could load into this week's SOTW.
LongLiveTazio said:
If I wanted to read about an under-endowed man feeling powerful by killing an animal I would go elsewhere. Playing on the 'all rich people go shoot grouse at the weekend' is one of the laziest clichès as a premise for testing a car and has been done to death. Classic Driver beat you to a similar but vastly more authoritative article a few months ago anyhow.
Regardless of all that the writing is crap anyway.
Could you post a link to your blog where you can demonstrate the superiority of your own writing please? Regardless of all that the writing is crap anyway.
Although from this post alone I'm not holding out a huge amount of hope.
Devil2575 said:
Also who the f**k uses the term 'Shooting Brake' these days other than pretentious t
ts.
It's a perfectly acceptable phrase that has been used since before the invention of the car itself. ts.Brilliant article and should be applauded for writing about something out of the ordinary. I still don't rate the car though, although it's a novel way of showing it's limited practicality.
Better than the article though? That would the comments by the folks who are so outraged by an 'innocent' animal being shot for the sake of a story. Perhaps they were going shooting anyway, and the story was developed alongside?
Anyway, great story, I'm off for a burger- although I do offer to stroke daisy the cow to death first, and shooting is so, so cruel.
Oh, and to the veggies- you eat baby carrots. It outrages me
Better than the article though? That would the comments by the folks who are so outraged by an 'innocent' animal being shot for the sake of a story. Perhaps they were going shooting anyway, and the story was developed alongside?
Anyway, great story, I'm off for a burger- although I do offer to stroke daisy the cow to death first, and shooting is so, so cruel.
Oh, and to the veggies- you eat baby carrots. It outrages me
z4chris99 said:
it's usually the antis trying to force their view on others, never the other way round.
Yes, I noticed this when that poor chap posted in ACG&S that it was the 1st day of the season. The amount of abuse was amazing, and a little depressingEdited by Agrispeed on Sunday 11th November 16:53
JonRB said:
LongLiveTazio said:
Regardless of all that the writing is crap anyway.
Could you post a link to your blog where you can demonstrate the superiority of your own writing please? Although from this post alone I'm not holding out a huge amount of hope.
hairykrishna said:
I doubt he makes his living as a professional writer or gets given a Ferrari to play with and write about. I think he's right - it's not a great article. Bit of a shame as it had potential.
Whilst I agree that the writing wasn't to the highest standard, I personally think it's pretty rude to dismiss something as "crap" unless you can do as well yourself. That's all. JonRB said:
Whilst I agree that the writing wasn't to the highest standard, I personally think it's pretty rude to dismiss something as "crap" unless you can do as well yourself. That's all.
Next time you dislike a car I'll expect engineering blueprints for your proposal as to how you can improve it. Saying that you aren't allowed a negative opinion if you can't do it as well yourself is stretching credulity. You don't have to be musical to tell if even a concert-grade musician is playing a piece without feeling, for example.As above though, I'm not being paid to write about cars, so your expectations from my one-minute post on a forum vs. a sub-edited professional piece should be slightly lower.
That said, if PH want to arrange for me to have a modern GT for the weekend I will happily submit a road trip for your delectation. I promise it will be less contrived.
LongLiveTazio said:
Next time you dislike a car I'll expect engineering blueprints for your proposal as to how you can improve it.
When I dislike a car, I'll say it's not to my taste or requirements, and will be able to say why; hopefully in a constructive way. What I won't do is insult the designer of the car to his face by saying it is "crap". To say something is crap is to say you could do better.
JonRB said:
When I dislike a car, I'll say it's not to my taste and will be able to say why. Hopefully in a constructive way. What I won't do is insult the designer of the car to his face by saying it is "crap".
I did say why I didn't like it, you finding that palatable is a separate issue. It shouldn't need to be 'constructive', that's what editors, sub-editors, market percentage and research is for. Forum opinions are a case of 'take it or leave it' and it's most always the latter. Unless I wrote an Orwellian essay I doubt the author will be losing sleep about my critique of something he's being paid to do, obviously somewhat successfully if he's being loaned a 300k car to muddy in such a fashion. I am quite happy to say something is crap if I think it is. It doesn't mean I am empirically correct, it's just an opinion. I will happily say it to someone's face because it's what I actually think, instead of conducting my business in euphemism.
Edit: bloody autocorrect.
Agrispeed said:
z4chris99 said:
it's usually the antis trying to force their view on others, never the other way round.
Yes, I noticed this when that poor chap posted in ACG&S that it was the 1st day of the season. The amount of abuse was amazing, and a little depressingEdited by Agrispeed on Sunday 11th November 16:53
I shot 10 birds this weekend, I have two of them in my freezer and the others went to the local pub.
Brilliant article!
Presumably its only the brainwashed townies objecting to the hunt references...
They still obviously feel that badgers come from farthing wood and all deers descend from bambi.
Not that an increased population of both spread disease, ruin trees, toss fencing and generally create a nuisance! As for foxes...
Presumably its only the brainwashed townies objecting to the hunt references...
They still obviously feel that badgers come from farthing wood and all deers descend from bambi.
Not that an increased population of both spread disease, ruin trees, toss fencing and generally create a nuisance! As for foxes...
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