RE: PH Blog: price point
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That looks fine to me -Country dwellers would probably be keen to own these as they did with the old, simple Subaru estates (maybe in a darker colour). A commercial van version would be great.
A 2wd SUV will be adequate for most people in most situations, especially as the UK has almost-100% metalled public roads.
I've always enjoyed a bit of inverted snobbery too -choosing to own a Ford (or Skoda) when colleagues and peers need to drive BMW/Merc/Audi.
I've never actually understood the need for 'alloy' wheels. I'm quite partial to shiny black steels myself.
The French do seem to go for cars that have good utility and will keep them until they fall apart. It will be interesting to see how long these cars last over there.
The Brits are, on the whole, a bit too precious about their run-about cars, I reckon.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 11th November 22:52
Went to have a look at one yesterday expecting to be greeted by an ugly, flimsy, cheap looking turd that I wouldn't want to own, result was....... I'd have one!
The interior felt really well screwed together, yes nothing like anything from VAG but then for the price I wouldn't expect it to be. A lot of the gear inside is taken straight from Renault and to be honest it all looks fairly nice.
They are offering a PCP deal on the basic one whereby it's £1500 deposit, then £139/month over 4 years. That includes servicing, tax and a 4 year warranty. For that sort of money I expect they will sell a lot.
The interior felt really well screwed together, yes nothing like anything from VAG but then for the price I wouldn't expect it to be. A lot of the gear inside is taken straight from Renault and to be honest it all looks fairly nice.
They are offering a PCP deal on the basic one whereby it's £1500 deposit, then £139/month over 4 years. That includes servicing, tax and a 4 year warranty. For that sort of money I expect they will sell a lot.
Maty said:
They are offering a PCP deal on the basic one whereby it's £1500 deposit, then £139/month over 4 years. That includes servicing, tax and a 4 year warranty. For that sort of money I expect they will sell a lot.
Does that include VAT?With service and tax? That's got to be worth £250 to £400 per year.
Personally, I really like these. On Friday, I even went into the Renault dealership in Hull to buy one.
There was just one problem.....
The Renault dealer in Hull is so bad that I walked out.
They couldn't even be bothered to tear themselves away from their conversations to talk to me. After around 10 mins of (obviously) waiting, I approached the staff and asked "do any of you want to sell a car?"..... They seemed shocked and reluctant. I waited for a further 5 or so minutes. After which, I told them not to bother and left.
The Duster is a great vehicle and could do very well in the UK.
The problem is the Renault dealer...... Dacia lost a sale of a top spec model because the Renault staff were appalling.
There was just one problem.....
The Renault dealer in Hull is so bad that I walked out.
They couldn't even be bothered to tear themselves away from their conversations to talk to me. After around 10 mins of (obviously) waiting, I approached the staff and asked "do any of you want to sell a car?"..... They seemed shocked and reluctant. I waited for a further 5 or so minutes. After which, I told them not to bother and left.
The Duster is a great vehicle and could do very well in the UK.
The problem is the Renault dealer...... Dacia lost a sale of a top spec model because the Renault staff were appalling.
Itsallicanafford said:
...3 star euroncap rating for a 2011 car, I wouldn't put my kids in it..
It's a 2010 car. The crash test was in 2010 also. It got 3 stars because it didn't had ESC as standard, only as an option. With that it would automatically won another star. I think the UK model will have it as standard, so you could consider it a 4 star car. The new 2013 Sandero I think will easily get 4 stars because it has a lot of security options as standard. These are solid cars. If you imagine a flimsy car you are very wrong. Pistonwot said:
They will sell lots of these.
The normal Brit will be delighted at the chance of ridding themselves of the burden that is a complex machine which consistently does 1 thing only, breaks down.
Many are fed up being robbed because they bought one of the usual suspects "white goods" cars. Post sales these cars generally cost £1000s due to the endless attention required by carefully under-engineered systems, most of which are simply not needed.
That means AC, FBW, SBW, TBW, Stop start, ALL unrequired Electrical systems, the great dual mass robbery, the nonsense of adjustable setups, traction/idiot control systems, etc, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on, and on, and on.
I just feel pity for the badge snob.
They are so institutionalised they do not know any better and will continue to blindly throw their high APR% borrowed money at the problems without thinking. These blinkered souls happily endebt themselves and their poor families so they can prove to strangers just how very important they are not. Good for them
you will ALWAYS need more than Dacia offers.
Like some benevelent dictator from the old Soviet Union you claim to know what's best for everybody and we should all drive base spec Dacia's as that's all we need...how depressing.The normal Brit will be delighted at the chance of ridding themselves of the burden that is a complex machine which consistently does 1 thing only, breaks down.
Many are fed up being robbed because they bought one of the usual suspects "white goods" cars. Post sales these cars generally cost £1000s due to the endless attention required by carefully under-engineered systems, most of which are simply not needed.
That means AC, FBW, SBW, TBW, Stop start, ALL unrequired Electrical systems, the great dual mass robbery, the nonsense of adjustable setups, traction/idiot control systems, etc, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on, and on, and on.
I just feel pity for the badge snob.
They are so institutionalised they do not know any better and will continue to blindly throw their high APR% borrowed money at the problems without thinking. These blinkered souls happily endebt themselves and their poor families so they can prove to strangers just how very important they are not. Good for them
you will ALWAYS need more than Dacia offers.You also seem to be living in some utopian vision of the past (like many with strong leftwing views) when simple cars, unburdened by modern technology never broke down. I'm not sure you were around in the 70's but I was and can tell you modern cars are in a different league in terms of reliability.
However, as always you are merely fishing for a reaction.
Well, here you go:
Whilst the sentiment is noble, I would be suprised if they do sell that many (of the base level spec. anyway)
3 star Euro NCAP and a lack of AC will put off a lot of people. The badge or lack of it will also play a part. Problem is cars have, and always will, be seen as status symbols. Frustrating though that may be you're pushing water uphill in raging against this.
It would be far more effective to use some intelligent marketing to position the car as the classless, smart choice for the informed buyer(look at the 1960's VW TV ads in the US - all on YouTube).
That said, I've always liked the idea of a basic, cheap, utilitarian vehicle as part of the wider choice - I wish them well.
CDP said:
Maty said:
They are offering a PCP deal on the basic one whereby it's £1500 deposit, then £139/month over 4 years. That includes servicing, tax and a 4 year warranty. For that sort of money I expect they will sell a lot.
Does that include VAT?With service and tax? That's got to be worth £250 to £400 per year.
CDP said:
Does that include VAT?
With service and tax? That's got to be worth £250 to £400 per year.
It does indeed apparently. The guy said £139 p/month with servicing, tax and a warranty.With service and tax? That's got to be worth £250 to £400 per year.
I don't see the big deal with a/c. Yes it's essential (for the odd day in summer) and it's great for clearing steamed windows but thats it, in the UK I could do without it quite happily.
Maty said:
It does indeed apparently. The guy said £139 p/month with servicing, tax and a warranty.
I don't see the big deal with a/c. Yes it's essential (for the odd day in summer) and it's great for clearing steamed windows but thats it, in the UK I could do without it quite happily.
True, the summer's not that hot and with a white car it's even less of a problem.I don't see the big deal with a/c. Yes it's essential (for the odd day in summer) and it's great for clearing steamed windows but thats it, in the UK I could do without it quite happily.
Demisting the MG has been a right nuisance in the last few weeks though.
I can't help thinking the Yeti needs further investigation, on lease it's not a lot more expensive when you take fuel costs into account and is probably cheaper than the mid-range Duster but it's a substantially better car.
SarGara said:
Because for the price of a 2008/2009 used Qashqai you can pickup a new Duster with warranty. 
But that was my point... buy a used CRV or Qashqai from a dealer for similar money and you'll get a one year warranty that can, no doubt, be extended. Same kind of no frills classless motoring but with all the toys and for the same money. Don't get me wrong, I really like the look for the Duster; I'm just saying... other than it being brand new, I'm not sure what the advantage really is.
Was sitting up a dirt track in Pyrenees, feeling good that the Jeep Cherokee had dealt with the road.
Heard a car approaching.
A Citroen Dyane van barrelled up the road and whizzed by!
So much for 4WD!!
And you can get a renovated 2CV/Dyane for half the Dacia price, and nil depreciation!
Remember the old 2CV ad.
List of features; None ("Nothing to go wrong")
Well it DID have central locking - you could reach all the doors from the driver's seat!!
Heard a car approaching.
A Citroen Dyane van barrelled up the road and whizzed by!
So much for 4WD!!
And you can get a renovated 2CV/Dyane for half the Dacia price, and nil depreciation!
Remember the old 2CV ad.
List of features; None ("Nothing to go wrong")
Well it DID have central locking - you could reach all the doors from the driver's seat!!
I can't quite believe it but i've been thinking about one of these pretty much the whole weekend..
I did the maths; replace company car with one of these and the ££ saved could easily fund say, a GT86 on a two year lease. Hmmm.. replace skoda vRS with Duster + GT86 for the same outlay
richardeallen said:
I cant get my head around everyone talking about lack of aircon. I take it the base model comes with window winders.....
From the Department of Pedantry and Head BendingAir conditioning conditions the air. Opening the window lets in the hot and humid air that needs conditioning.
LDN said:
SarGara said:
Because for the price of a 2008/2009 used Qashqai you can pickup a new Duster with warranty.
I agree Why would you chose an unreliable 2nd hand qashqai against a new car?? Not sure about the dacia's reliability......Also i think they may have missed the boat by a couple of years as this part of the market for brand new cheap reliable motors has been taken by the likes of Kia and high n dry, not knocking these cars as they are what they are, but with the gvmt handing out cash to new cars a few years ago I feel that if this car was available back then they would have sold by the boat load.
The french love the Dacia's as I find they are very patriotic and buy french cars, also they have differnet lifestyles, some better roads and how else are you going to transport your chickens and onions to and fro market............
IMHO
It's the Renault bits that put me off.
Having owned a mid 2000s Scenic, and run a mid 2000s Laguna as a company car, both were disastrously badly made and chronically unreliable. I vowed then never to have anything to do with Renault again.
Have they improved that much in 5 years? The Scenic in particular was plagued with common, generic, engineered-in faults which were a question of when, not if, they would strike. Seriously expensive to sort as well.
Having owned a mid 2000s Scenic, and run a mid 2000s Laguna as a company car, both were disastrously badly made and chronically unreliable. I vowed then never to have anything to do with Renault again.
Have they improved that much in 5 years? The Scenic in particular was plagued with common, generic, engineered-in faults which were a question of when, not if, they would strike. Seriously expensive to sort as well.
Limpet said:
It's the Renault bits that put me off.
Having owned a mid 2000s Scenic, and run a mid 2000s Laguna as a company car, both were disastrously badly made and chronically unreliable. I vowed then never to have anything to do with Renault again.
Have they improved that much in 5 years? The Scenic in particular was plagued with common, generic, engineered-in faults which were a question of when, not if, they would strike. Seriously expensive to sort as well.
I agree. 6 pages of crap about a peasants soft roader. What a waste of bandwidth! Having owned a mid 2000s Scenic, and run a mid 2000s Laguna as a company car, both were disastrously badly made and chronically unreliable. I vowed then never to have anything to do with Renault again.
Have they improved that much in 5 years? The Scenic in particular was plagued with common, generic, engineered-in faults which were a question of when, not if, they would strike. Seriously expensive to sort as well.
If you're thinking of purchasing a Duster, I've done a comparison of all the accessory packs. It turns out everything bar the air-con is available to purchase separately. I've priced it all up, and yes, it is cheaper to fit yourself. I've also got hold of all the official Dacia fitting guides!
http://www.daciaforum.co.uk/topic/29-duster-access...
http://www.daciaforum.co.uk/topic/29-duster-access...
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