RE: PH Blog: price point
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I drove one up the Goodwood Hill at the festival of speed (moving motor show) and it was a prefectly decent well made car. Think the ones they had driving up the hill were about £12k though and they had the £9k on the stand and yes it look basic but perfectly decent for £9k. Think this is very different than early Dawewoo and it think the Duster will be better built is no a re-hashed vauxhall or similar.
I do drive skoda fabia so its only the same as buying a fabia over a polo, although the polo is not that more expensive than the fabia nowadays.
I think Dacia will do very will indeed and the owners will be very smug
I do drive skoda fabia so its only the same as buying a fabia over a polo, although the polo is not that more expensive than the fabia nowadays.
I think Dacia will do very will indeed and the owners will be very smug
A few comments on air-con already. I still do not understand the fascination with it in this country, mind boggling. In 13 years and several hundred thousand miles of driving I can barely think of any occasions when I really, really longed for air-con. My last 3 cars have had it, but I've never switched it on, to the point where when selling the previous two and the buyer has asked if it works, I've had to give a genuine 'no idea' answer.
The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
ukaskew said:
A few comments on air-con already. I still do not understand the fascination with it in this country, mind boggling. In 13 years and several hundred thousand miles of driving I can barely think of any occasions when I really, really longed for air-con. My last 3 cars have had it, but I've never switched it on, to the point where when selling the previous two and the buyer has asked if it works, I've had to give a genuine 'no idea' answer.
You should try clearing misted windows with the a/c, takes no time at all 
ukaskew said:
A few comments on air-con already. I still do not understand the fascination with it in this country, mind boggling. In 13 years and several hundred thousand miles of driving I can barely think of any occasions when I really, really longed for air-con. My last 3 cars have had it, but I've never switched it on, to the point where when selling the previous two and the buyer has asked if it works, I've had to give a genuine 'no idea' answer.
The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
Yes, but drive your new cheapo car down to the south of France or somewhere warmer and you'll appreciate it. In my experience cars with climate control or air con have great heaters too. Also, it will help the saleability of your car if you had it. Try retro fitting air con, it's not like a stereo. If it's a cheap option when new, I'd take it regardless of whether or not I used it.The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
Fast Bug said:
You should try clearing misted windows with the a/c, takes no time at all
150 homes in my street, I think I'm the only one that uses the garage to store my car in it 
Anti-Fog treatment applied a couple times per year takes care of the situations when that's not possible (i.e. winter evening in the work car-park)Where there's a will, there's a way...
ukaskew said:
A few comments on air-con already. I still do not understand the fascination with it in this country, mind boggling. In 13 years and several hundred thousand miles of driving I can barely think of any occasions when I really, really longed for air-con. My last 3 cars have had it, but I've never switched it on, to the point where when selling the previous two and the buyer has asked if it works, I've had to give a genuine 'no idea' answer.
The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
The aircon on my Vectra has needed regassing for a couple of years (if that's what it is) and my MG TF lacks it (but has more than adequate ventilation on dry days). I admit I haven't missed it that much but it's so nice to have on a hot, muggy day - especially when stuck in town traffic.The idea of an incredibly basic new car with minimal electrics appeals to me massively. Anyone who has endured electronic hand-brakes or auto-rain sensing wipers will probably understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for windows that require a handle to open and close, personally.
By the time you add diesel- essential here on the mainland as it's a lot cheaper than petrol, 4 wheel drive-otherwise what's the point buy a Sandero and aircon-I'll take it to hot places of course, then it starts to encroach into good used metal with an aftermarket warranty territory.
That said my neighbour replaced his money pit XC90 with one- downsizing and austerity is the spirit of the age as alluded to by Chris.
That said my neighbour replaced his money pit XC90 with one- downsizing and austerity is the spirit of the age as alluded to by Chris.
In a similar way I was recently buying a family car for my wife(she insisted on a new car) - we needed a large estate car for teenage kids, holidays etc, didn't want an MPV. Looked at BMW 5 series - very good but by even a 520d with a few extras gets into the mid £30ks. In the end we bought a Skoda Superb - if anything more room, well made, a bit different. Agreed it is not as fast / quite as nice to drive having driven both but paid £18k for brand new mid range 1.8 petrol turbo. Some mates take the piss as its a Skoda but it was half the price ?
1) I generally agree with the article, though has Mr Harris reached that age where everything looks expensive?
2) Dacia should do the bottom spec model but with four-wheel-drive for an extra £1k.
3) Jeep Cherokee 4.0L were ace - has Mr Harris driven one? I owned one and it exuded such capability to do anything / go anywhere that I preferred it to the new X-trail I owned later, even though the latter was better in fuel and comfort terms. Oh, and the Jeep would drift...
2) Dacia should do the bottom spec model but with four-wheel-drive for an extra £1k.
3) Jeep Cherokee 4.0L were ace - has Mr Harris driven one? I owned one and it exuded such capability to do anything / go anywhere that I preferred it to the new X-trail I owned later, even though the latter was better in fuel and comfort terms. Oh, and the Jeep would drift...
The Dacia represents one of the two ends of the spectrum I am interested in. The cars that bore me to death are the so called premium whatsit ones. I get a lot of these when I rent cars. To me they are a special amount of money for a completely un-special experience.
I am happy to spend money on something really special (which my current cars offer me). If I only wanted a transport to get me from A to B, then I'd be completely happy with an old Golf diesel.
I am happy to spend money on something really special (which my current cars offer me). If I only wanted a transport to get me from A to B, then I'd be completely happy with an old Golf diesel.
nicfaz said:
1) I generally agree with the article, though has Mr Harris reached that age where everything looks expensive?
2) Dacia should do the bottom spec model but with four-wheel-drive for an extra £1k.
3) Jeep Cherokee 4.0L were ace - has Mr Harris driven one? I owned one and it exuded such capability to do anything / go anywhere that I preferred it to the new X-trail I owned later, even though the latter was better in fuel and comfort terms. Oh, and the Jeep would drift...
When new cars have gone up in price (rrp) about 20-40% in the last 5 years they are expensive.2) Dacia should do the bottom spec model but with four-wheel-drive for an extra £1k.
3) Jeep Cherokee 4.0L were ace - has Mr Harris driven one? I owned one and it exuded such capability to do anything / go anywhere that I preferred it to the new X-trail I owned later, even though the latter was better in fuel and comfort terms. Oh, and the Jeep would drift...
Yeah, except.
Drive a Dacia Sandero diesel. Go on, I dare you.
I have. I drove from Venice to Nice in an "Astra or equivalent" Sandero. It was a hateful abomination of a vehicle. I don't care how cheap it is, it's just a terrible car and I can't imagine that the Duster is going to be any better, seeing as it's carrying all of the 4x4 gubbins.
Drive a Dacia Sandero diesel. Go on, I dare you.
I have. I drove from Venice to Nice in an "Astra or equivalent" Sandero. It was a hateful abomination of a vehicle. I don't care how cheap it is, it's just a terrible car and I can't imagine that the Duster is going to be any better, seeing as it's carrying all of the 4x4 gubbins.
topgunkos said:
ukaskew said:
Where there's a will, there's a way...
Yes, speccing A/CIf a 335d can be rechipped to outperform everything on wheels except the wonderful Red Victor, this can't be beyond our modding-based culture?
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