RE: Driven: Ferrari FF

[Davey S2]

White doesn't work on the FF for me.

In grey or dark blue it looks almost subtle and I suspect many non petrol heads would mistake it for a normal estate car on a dark commute home.

[Martin 480 Turbo]

If I see some of them at places where wealth is created through
hard work I'd be amazed. But I will most certainly come across
one or the other in Monaco or Jersey, or "the city".

It just doesn't make sense to factor ethics into the Ferrari FF
equation. It is a nuts car for nutters and while some may admit
to be nuts I never heard somebody consider himself a crook.

P.S.: Not to forget on this shooting brake thread:

Edited by Martin 480 Turbo on Thursday 15th November 13:36

[405dogvan]

Banjo47 said:

+1

I completely realise how "at odds" I sound but for me that FF is the point at which I say "enough".

I can live with - even admire - the jewelled trinkets and follies that are Zondas and Veyrons of this world - but the FF is a 'production' Ferrari which costs a sum far, far out of whack with what you'd associate with that. It's not a limited run special, it's just what Ferrari see as their 'everyday' car.

Imagine if Ford decided the to make just one shiny model of Focus and charge 90K - it's that car.

My problem entirely = yes - but that article - that car - is the point at which I have to shake my head...

Edited by 405dogvan on Thursday 15th November 16:05

[405dogvan]

DonkeyApple said:

Or it's a sign of someone who refused to settle for the same job as all the regular folk around him and bust his balls to be better than he was born.

Just because you can only imagine such wealth being acquired dishonestly does not mean it is true or accurate.

There are plenty of people out there who stood up and stepped forward and put in immense hours to create the wealth needed to buy such a car. And the simple reality is that without these people most on PH wouldn't have a job and wouldn't have a car.

So, if be grateful that there are people out there with the money to buy these things.

Trickle-down automotive lust!?!?

I think you're otherwise living in a fantasy tho - I've earned well enough, in my time, but I love how my inability to afford an FF is just clearly a sign that I didn't work "hard enough".

My Dad worked 'hard' from the age of 11 until he died - he couldn't even afford a car - the idea that it's just "hard work" is somewhere between offensive and perverse.

If you could find me ONE person who can afford a £300K car and who's not inherited, gambled or exploited others to achieve that, I'd be astonished - and there are 7bn people to choose from!

[Dave Hedgehog]

a car that makes the panamera look good, thats going some

[Greg_D]

Guvernator said:

For those who are surprised by the price, this is a "luxury" 4WD SUV-alike with a 600bhp V12 in it built by FERRARI and designed to be sold to rich Arabs, Russians and the Chinese who want something a bit more practical to go along with the rest of their collection. It's the ultimate one-upmanship car as most people can just about understand paying several £100k for some weekend exotica but it takes someone with serious money to spend that on a daily hack. It positively shouts I am richer than you.

Based on that premise, it was never going to be cheap was it? Comparisons with an M5 or Panamera are silly as neither are expensive\exclusive enough for those who care about such things. Very astute move by Ferrari.

Absolutely this......

It is an automotive statement of intent. and a pretty much unbeatable one, imo...
I'd have one in a heartbeat when my hundred mill lotto win comes through, i think it is utterly spectacular in just about every way.

bravo ferrari

[J4CKO]

405dogvan said:

Banjo47 said:

+1

I completely realise how "at odds" I sound but for me that FF is the point at which I say "enough".

I can live with - even admire - the jewelled trinkets and follies that are Zondas and Veyrons of this world - but the FF is a 'production' Ferrari which costs a sum far, far out of whack with what you'd associate with that. It's not a limited run special, it's just what Ferrari see as their 'everyday' car.

Imagine if Ford decided the to make just one shiny model of Focus and charge 90K - it's that car.

My problem entirely = yes - but that article - that car - is the point at which I have to shake my head...

Edited by 405dogvan on Thursday 15th November 16:05

So, for you its the Ferarri FFS ?

[405dogvan]

J4CKO said:

So, for you its the Ferarri FFS ?

The Ferrari enuFF!!

Ah, who am I fooling - Ferraris have been richboys playtoys for a long time really - anyone who was just interested in 'go' could get that for considerably less investment.

It's a bit sad because I actually like how the FF looks - I loved the BMW 'breadvan' too - I like quirky estates, I like some 'Q Car' (tho a Ferrari could hardly ever claim that) appeal...

£272K tho is staggering - it makes no sense to compare it to the cost of, say, a 400i "back in the day" but I suspect it's more both in raw inflationary terms and in terms of a multiple of average wage and so on.

Hell Maybe Ford SHOULD make a one-model Focus and charge £90K for it - a few diamontes in the wheeltrims and some moron from reality TV will order 5...

Maybe Ford need a luxury spinoff brand - as Ferrari effectively is to FIAT and Infiniti/Lexus etc. too

How about "BlueOvaltine"

[anonymous-user]

I don't think people are paying list for them in the UK

There is a thread on the ferrari board discussing a member here moving from a 599 to a new FF at below list

Check out page 4, threads on Tue 6 Nov...

http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th November 19:24

[DonkeyApple]

405dogvan said:

DonkeyApple said:

Or it's a sign of someone who refused to settle for the same job as all the regular folk around him and bust his balls to be better than he was born.

Just because you can only imagine such wealth being acquired dishonestly does not mean it is true or accurate.

There are plenty of people out there who stood up and stepped forward and put in immense hours to create the wealth needed to buy such a car. And the simple reality is that without these people most on PH wouldn't have a job and wouldn't have a car.

So, if be grateful that there are people out there with the money to buy these things.

Trickle-down automotive lust!?!?

I think you're otherwise living in a fantasy tho - I've earned well enough, in my time, but I love how my inability to afford an FF is just clearly a sign that I didn't work "hard enough".

My Dad worked 'hard' from the age of 11 until he died - he couldn't even afford a car - the idea that it's just "hard work" is somewhere between offensive and perverse.

If you could find me ONE person who can afford a £300K car and who's not inherited, gambled or exploited others to achieve that, I'd be astonished - and there are 7bn people to choose from!

There's a big difference between working hard for someone and working hard for yourself. It's a very different person who steps forward to be a creator and all the risks associated with it. And even that aside, this is not a sum that is an inconceivable stretch for many employee professions such as law, accountancy, surveying, IT and many more.

Saying that anyone who can find £300k to spend on a car is a criminal is just rather sad. The fact that you chose to read things in the post that were never written or even inferred is also sad.

[London John]

405dogvan said:

If you could find me ONE person who can afford a £300K car and who's not inherited, gambled or exploited others to achieve that, I'd be astonished - and there are 7bn people to choose from!

You actually don't have to look too far, but you do need to be able to look beyond that chip you so obviously shoulder.

I left school at 16 to join the Army. Did what was asked of me, even picked up a couple of medals for my trouble. Got a very junior clerking job in a bank when I left, found I could use my one maths o' level to my advantage. I worked my way up over the following 20 years, eagerly following every opportunity to move jobs and advance and now I'm head of trading at a large investment bank; one that's never reported a loss nor taken a penny of taxpayer support. As a matter of principal I do not invest in tax minimisation schemes despite qualifying as non-dom. I also support one particular military charity very heavily and also give up time to act as a business mentor to ex-Army business people.

I don't subscribe to the "you need to be an a-hole to make money" mindset. In my experience it's a hurdle to wealth creation.

You need to get beyond the Daily Mail mindset you seem to be taken with. I could introduce you to dozens of self made people in the same position, but suspect you'll continue to be trapped by an unfortunately sour outlook on life. I hope I'm wrong.

Cheers,
John

Edited by London John on Saturday 17th November 10:24

[London John]

Greg_D said:

Absolutely this......

It is an automotive statement of intent. and a pretty much unbeatable one, imo...
I'd have one in a heartbeat when my hundred mill lotto win comes through, i think it is utterly spectacular in just about every way.

bravo ferrari

Nice sentiments Greg.

Let me know if you ever come to London. If I'm in town, you can have a drive of mine.

Cheers,
John

[kmpowell]

The grey one was parked up this morning. I'll get the pic I took up when I get home tonight. Looked very stealth and more my style. Parked across the road from it was a 722 SLR and out of the two I was still swayed towards the FF.

[scenario8]

I think my understanding of "stealth" may be at the more conservative end of the scale. I'm not sure any modern Ferrari could possibly be thought of as stealthy.

[Greg_D]

London John said:

Greg_D said:

Absolutely this......

It is an automotive statement of intent. and a pretty much unbeatable one, imo...
I'd have one in a heartbeat when my hundred mill lotto win comes through, i think it is utterly spectacular in just about every way.

bravo ferrari

Nice sentiments Greg.

Let me know if you ever come to London. If I'm in town, you can have a drive of mine.

Cheers,
John

Thanks for the kind offer John,

And well done on your life and achievements, they reflect exceedingly well on you.

For the benefit of the be-chipped people, i too am modestly educated (no degree) and have never had a single penny in my hand that i haven't earned myself but have somehow through a mixture of hard work, application, a little inspiration and the odd little dose of luck managed to start up, grow and develop quite a nice little multi million pound business.

I wish i could stop being so tight fisted with my road cars and have something nice, but for now my 11 year old volvo will have to do as a daily smoker (until it breaks, that is!!!! I could have some wait though, it appears to be hewn from granite, lol)

I secretly admire people such as yourself who actually go and buy life's little rewards as opposed to common sensing them out of the equation.

Pretty much every person of means i know has made it off the back of their own efforts, so to be so cavalier in writing off success as merely luck or daddies money is short sighted in the extreme

2 phrases spring to mind:

There is nobody so blind as one who will not see
There are those who say that they can and there are those who say that they cannot, both are correct!

[Dagnut]

London John said:

You actually don't have to look too far, but you do need to be able to look beyond that chip you so obviously shoulder.

I left school at 16 to join the Army. Did what was asked of me, even picked up a couple of medals for my trouble. Got a very junior clerking job in a bank when I left, found I could use my one maths o' level to my advantage. I worked my way up over the following 20 years, eagerly following every opportunity to move jobs and advance and now I'm head of trading at a large investment bank; one that's never reported a loss nor taken a penny of taxpayer support. As a matter of principal I do not invest in tax minimisation schemes despite qualifying as non-dom. I also support one particular military charity very heavily and also give up time to act as a business mentor to ex-Army business people.

I don't subscribe to the "you need to be an a-hole to make money" mindset. In my experience it's a hurdle to wealth creation.

You need to get beyond the Daily Mail mindset you seem to be taken with. I could introduce you to dozens of self made people in the same position, but suspect you'll continue to be trapped by an unfortunately sour outlook on life. I hope I'm wrong.

Cheers,
John

Edited by London John on Saturday 17th November 10:24

What colour did you go for? I'd have one of these before a 458.

[RenesisEvo]

scenario8 said:

I think my understanding of "stealth" may be at the more conservative end of the scale. I'm not sure any modern Ferrari could possibly be thought of as stealthy.

I had to do a double-take in the Beaconsfield services late Monday night - what I thought was 'just another estate' was actually a black FF with black wheels, hiding in the dark. Only the yellow brake calipers stood out, it was rather stealthy for a Ferrari. Until someone starts the engine anyway. I still can't get over the awkward rear-end styling, and it's a big car too, doesn't look it in the photos.

[kmpowell]

As promised, here's the grey one...



Oh and the 722 SLR parked across the road a few hours later...

[scenario8]

I don't know where these drivers get the balls to parallel park cars of these values. My crappy steel wheels' plastic trims are covered in dents and scratches from tiny kerb nudges.

Admittedly a potential bill measured in several thousands might sherpen up my technique.

The grey one looks tolerably nice.

[London John]

Dagnut said:

What colour did you go for? I'd have one of these before a 458.

Grigio Silverstone over Beige Daytona's.......