RE: Snap! Now pay your road toll
Discussion
Surprise surprise. As much as road tolls/charging pi**es me off looks like it's inevitable. How else can we afford to police the world.
Anyway just a quick question... Has anyone heard of this before http://www.water4gasstore.com
and does it work or is it proven?
Anyway just a quick question... Has anyone heard of this before http://www.water4gasstore.com
and does it work or is it proven?
Nick Young said:
You could also resolve the problem of people driving without insurance by providing a government backed 3rd Party insurance paid for out of fuel tax. The more you use, the more you pay. Then you only pay extra for insurance if you want fully comp etc...
It's all so simple and obvious that it's no wonder the government hasn't done it.
So I get to pay the insurance costs for the idiots that drive like morons? Even more so if I fancy a thirstier car. No thanks. It's all so simple and obvious that it's no wonder the government hasn't done it.
gforceg said:
richb77 said:
Well. As an affront to my personal privacy (I have not given permission to be photographed willy nilly) i will be using illegible number plates from here on in. Stop before the tolls. Swap the plates...Pass the tolls swap them back again.
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king thieving spying s.
A. You don't have to.f
king thieving spying s.B. No you won't.
hth
robinessex said:
fatboy18 said:
I don't know, I love driving my cars and Bikes but it just seems now that every other month the Motorist is being taken for even more money.
OK the idea of lifting the barriers on the Bridge 'seem' to be a good idea, but as others have also said, it then causes a whole lot of other problems on how you tackle the payment
Lets be honest here, this all comes down to the Big Brother is watching you scenario
I remember years ago my late dad got a automatic fine for parking his car in Eastbourne. He had never been there and someone had cloned his number plates In this wonderful country you are guilty until you can prove you innocent! The camera is always right because its taken a picture of your numberplate on a similar car!
Am I being negative about this, Er no I'm being honest! The arguments from Central Government will be, well it works for the Congestion Zone in London, so now we are going to roll it out across the country.
All the time if you look at your local roads you see more and more camera/ traffic monitoring cameras being put in place. I think its totally wrong, no one is telling you what all these extra cameras and monitors are for, (but we all know whats comming, right?)
But there seems to be no one representing the motorist who can lobby against any of this crap. ...Yes that means you to Haymarket and Pistonheads!
What it does mean is that anyone who does not comply to the correct format of a numberplate be it car or motorcycle will be even more heavily fined.
Oh and don't get me started on fkin Fuel duty 
YES THERE IS. They're called The Association of British Drivers, ABD for short.OK the idea of lifting the barriers on the Bridge 'seem' to be a good idea, but as others have also said, it then causes a whole lot of other problems on how you tackle the payment
Lets be honest here, this all comes down to the Big Brother is watching you scenario
I remember years ago my late dad got a automatic fine for parking his car in Eastbourne. He had never been there and someone had cloned his number plates
In this wonderful country you are guilty until you can prove you innocent! The camera is always right because its taken a picture of your numberplate on a similar car!Am I being negative about this, Er no I'm being honest! The arguments from Central Government will be, well it works for the Congestion Zone in London, so now we are going to roll it out across the country.
All the time if you look at your local roads you see more and more camera/ traffic monitoring cameras being put in place. I think its totally wrong, no one is telling you what all these extra cameras and monitors are for, (but we all know whats comming, right?)
But there seems to be no one representing the motorist who can lobby against any of this crap. ...Yes that means you to Haymarket and Pistonheads!
What it does mean is that anyone who does not comply to the correct format of a numberplate be it car or motorcycle will be even more heavily fined.
Oh and don't get me started on f
kin Fuel duty http://www.abd.org.uk/
All PH'ers should belong. Should be compulsory, so there !!!
Just £25.00 per year then that's going to generate a lot of members 
julian64 said:
Well I often complained to the MP for dartford about the congestion and suggested that the levy should be ignored when there is a large queue, and cars should be raised till the queue dissipated in a similar fashion to france.
The reply was that the queue northbound was nothing to do with the company wanting to make a fortune out of the tolls. It was to do with the fact that they had to prevent congestion in the tunnel because of ventilation problems. So the traffic was restricted on the northbound stretch by the toll booths to ensure there would never be a queue inside the tunnel.
There wasn't the same problem with the bridge as it had been designed much later to take a higher quantity of traffic.
I think if they are going to let a free run happen on the northbound they will have just made a complete U turn and shown themselves to be simply a money grabbing organisation and misled the MP.
That makes sense, and an interesting dilemna for peak times. Hmmmm.The reply was that the queue northbound was nothing to do with the company wanting to make a fortune out of the tolls. It was to do with the fact that they had to prevent congestion in the tunnel because of ventilation problems. So the traffic was restricted on the northbound stretch by the toll booths to ensure there would never be a queue inside the tunnel.
There wasn't the same problem with the bridge as it had been designed much later to take a higher quantity of traffic.
I think if they are going to let a free run happen on the northbound they will have just made a complete U turn and shown themselves to be simply a money grabbing organisation and misled the MP.
Once a victim of cloned plates in London you are treated as guilty very guilty infact resorted changing my plates to all together... Tolls and ques i much rather have than automated cyber buggery tbh
It should be free during rush hour in morning and evening then charge in between to ease flow because number of vehicles going through outside side peak hours in total i read somewhere in statistics is about same as couple of peak hours per day on average.
It should be free during rush hour in morning and evening then charge in between to ease flow because number of vehicles going through outside side peak hours in total i read somewhere in statistics is about same as couple of peak hours per day on average.
TonyHetherington said:
julian64 said:
Well I often complained to the MP for dartford about the congestion and suggested that the levy should be ignored when there is a large queue, and cars should be raised till the queue dissipated in a similar fashion to france.
The reply was that the queue northbound was nothing to do with the company wanting to make a fortune out of the tolls. It was to do with the fact that they had to prevent congestion in the tunnel because of ventilation problems. So the traffic was restricted on the northbound stretch by the toll booths to ensure there would never be a queue inside the tunnel.
There wasn't the same problem with the bridge as it had been designed much later to take a higher quantity of traffic.
I think if they are going to let a free run happen on the northbound they will have just made a complete U turn and shown themselves to be simply a money grabbing organisation and misled the MP.
That makes sense, and an interesting dilemna for peak times. Hmmmm.The reply was that the queue northbound was nothing to do with the company wanting to make a fortune out of the tolls. It was to do with the fact that they had to prevent congestion in the tunnel because of ventilation problems. So the traffic was restricted on the northbound stretch by the toll booths to ensure there would never be a queue inside the tunnel.
There wasn't the same problem with the bridge as it had been designed much later to take a higher quantity of traffic.
I think if they are going to let a free run happen on the northbound they will have just made a complete U turn and shown themselves to be simply a money grabbing organisation and misled the MP.
So, for commuters the cost will increase but the times won't as you will only ever be able to pass the barrier if the two 2 lane tunnels are clear etc.
This camera bks should really be stamped on now. The number of cloned cars is huge, society is basically split to those that ignore laws and those that comply, it will mean everything just getting more and more expensive for those of us that do comply. I have had my car cloned took 3 months and i had threats of bailiffs and several thousands of pounds of fines sent to me before they backed down. They only backed down when they checked the VIN on the car they had impounded and found it didn't match the displayed registration (my registration). Photos of my car on my drive taken while they had already impounded the other car wasn't enough :roll eyes:
ks should really be stamped on now. The number of cloned cars is huge, society is basically split to those that ignore laws and those that comply, it will mean everything just getting more and more expensive for those of us that do comply. I have had my car cloned took 3 months and i had threats of bailiffs and several thousands of pounds of fines sent to me before they backed down. They only backed down when they checked the VIN on the car they had impounded and found it didn't match the displayed registration (my registration). Photos of my car on my drive taken while they had already impounded the other car wasn't enough :roll eyes:smartphone hater said:
TonyHetherington said:
robinessex said:
The French ownership signs disappeared from the toll booths over a year ago
Still owned by the same company though, isn't it?! Just they don't advertise the fact.cptsideways said:
The technology to do this has been on our roads for years, those blue cameras on stalks only need a software update & a centre to process the data & fines for non compliance.
But all we really need is tax put on fuel instead
If I was to put my sarcastic hat on, I would be suspecting that simply raising fuel duty makes it hard to contract out to the old boys network.But all we really need is tax put on fuel instead
This, like all road & bridge tolls is such a backward step. When roads and paths were first created and they passed through landowners' or the Monarch's property (which was most of the country) tolls would be extracted from travellers. Not unreasonably as the landowner had to create and maintain the road. But with roads becoming the property of the State (er, that's you and me) this tedious and difficult-to-enforce system fell out of use. To go back to pay-as-you-go road travelling makes no sense as it requires enormously expensive systems to trap every motorist on every road, and makes travelling much more difficult and stressful. Living outside London, when I do travel into the city I'm in constant fear of forgetting to pay the Congestion Charge (which means powering up a PC, waiting for dozens of programmes to update etc etc). Then the enforcement through fines. Hmmm. Remind anyone of speed cameras which were supposed to reduce accidents, but suddenly that wasn't important anymore when the operators couldn't afford to service them....? It would be much simpler and cheaper (but not so good for the hard-lobbying manufacturers of the all the electronics) to make all road and bridge travel free. The VED was intended to provide funds for road building and maintenance but as we all know, the income from that vastly exceeds the amount spent on the roads. Go figure. Like Switzerland, we should charge foreigners coming into this country for using our roads but perhaps automatically by a change in the EU subsidy based on counting incoming foreign vehicles. Big users should pay more than small users, so a fuel tax is fairly obvious - perhaps as a variant of vat. FVAT anyone? Oh, and the total take on VED and FVAT should be the same as that spent on the roads - it is one of the very few hypothecated taxes.
TonyHetherington said:
smartphone hater said:
TonyHetherington said:
robinessex said:
The French ownership signs disappeared from the toll booths over a year ago
Still owned by the same company though, isn't it?! Just they don't advertise the fact.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff