RE: Snap! Now pay your road toll
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Just like the Dartford toll was supposed to stop once the bridge was paid for but didn't...what lies will they dream up to say tax will reduce elsewhere initially
only to find it didn't actually...If the Bankers an politicians have bled the country's coffers dry down to greed and bad decisions its not up to motorists to foot the bill
only to find it didn't actually...If the Bankers an politicians have bled the country's coffers dry down to greed and bad decisions its not up to motorists to foot the bill
Simond S said:
Surely the best option for foriegn registered cars is to have a pay booth at each UK exit port.
Driver pulls up, number plate is read and is told by customs officer what he pays in toll fees. No fines, just fees.
No point in fining somebody for not paying a bill they were unaware or unable to pay.
Good idea !Driver pulls up, number plate is read and is told by customs officer what he pays in toll fees. No fines, just fees.
No point in fining somebody for not paying a bill they were unaware or unable to pay.
But when has the Gov't ever used good ideas.
They've put something like this in in Portugal - not only is it a monumental cock-up - but when the gantries pack up ( which they do with monotonous regularity) the police have to be deployed to protect the workers who are trying to fix them from being attacked by the aggrieved locals
So, how will this capture bikes? Will it automatically snap the plates of vehicles on trailers/flatbeds etc....
Also, when it does crash, which it will, i take it the hundreds of thousands of people who will use it whilst its having a malfunction won't be fined each time they use it for not paying? Oh, wait....
That, and if traffic into the tunnel is un-restricted, then i give it less than a week before there is a horrible accident. Or they make it 20mph through there, which will cause tailbacks..... aaaand we're back to square one.
Also, when it does crash, which it will, i take it the hundreds of thousands of people who will use it whilst its having a malfunction won't be fined each time they use it for not paying? Oh, wait....
That, and if traffic into the tunnel is un-restricted, then i give it less than a week before there is a horrible accident. Or they make it 20mph through there, which will cause tailbacks..... aaaand we're back to square one.
Don't forget there is proven tech and solutions for CC London so it's already working out there.
Re the tunnels you can see on this thread that people who commute through there are in favour as the immediate thinking is that it will speed up the journey but the reality is that the barriers will still need to be operating at peak times to limit the flow in the tunnels. At rushour you are still nose to tail in the tunnels so removing the barriers won't speed anything up.
Just cost more.
Re the tunnels you can see on this thread that people who commute through there are in favour as the immediate thinking is that it will speed up the journey but the reality is that the barriers will still need to be operating at peak times to limit the flow in the tunnels. At rushour you are still nose to tail in the tunnels so removing the barriers won't speed anything up.
Just cost more.
Mike_C said:
They really are an utter bunch of idiots running this country, aren't they?
If you need more money for the roads - use the road tax we pay appropriately! I seem to remember a figure of about 20% of our road tax actually goes back into the road network, the rest just goes into the big Government honey pot to pay for work shy a
holes' Sky TV packages, illegal immigrant NHS healthcare, housing for terrorists and, of course, decorating costs and fancy toilet seats for our beloved politicians' second homes. That's not to mention the double tax on fuel of both VAT and fuel duty!!
How do they not see that if you start charging people to drive on motorways they will just head to the already congested A-roads? Just look at the deserted M6 Toll Road and congested A5 running alongside it. Then what, charge people to drive on them too? Brilliant, stick another eyesore pole with a camera on it on every sodding road to join the litter of needless road signs at a cost of £50 billon, then just as it's all finished announce that it won't work and everyone will need a blackbox fitted to the car instead. Genius.
It really does make me so mad how we waste so much money and then instead of doing something about it and solving the problems just keep milking us for more.
Utter, utter wkers.
I think the above should go viral. Its so so sad to read it about the way our country has ended up like, and about 100% factual.If you need more money for the roads - use the road tax we pay appropriately! I seem to remember a figure of about 20% of our road tax actually goes back into the road network, the rest just goes into the big Government honey pot to pay for work shy a
holes' Sky TV packages, illegal immigrant NHS healthcare, housing for terrorists and, of course, decorating costs and fancy toilet seats for our beloved politicians' second homes. That's not to mention the double tax on fuel of both VAT and fuel duty!!How do they not see that if you start charging people to drive on motorways they will just head to the already congested A-roads? Just look at the deserted M6 Toll Road and congested A5 running alongside it. Then what, charge people to drive on them too? Brilliant, stick another eyesore pole with a camera on it on every sodding road to join the litter of needless road signs at a cost of £50 billon, then just as it's all finished announce that it won't work and everyone will need a blackbox fitted to the car instead. Genius.
It really does make me so mad how we waste so much money and then instead of doing something about it and solving the problems just keep milking us for more.
Utter, utter w
kers.It's interesting that the government don't look at the bigger picture or think anything through. Cigarettes were a great source of taxable income for the Gov, so they kept pushing it up and up claiming to be doing it as a deterrent for smokers and an aid to quitting. Err, no. All that happened is the smokers went and got dodgy fags from the polish bloke in the pub. So the VAT on fags went up and up to fill the shortfall. The NHS didn't save any money 'cos now thanks to dodgy fags people are coming in with arsenic poisoning, various cancers, and all sorts of other illnesses.
The CC in London worked so well when it first started that the price went up (£5 - £8) to fill the shortfall in profit that the government had promised the contractors who installed and run the system. SO less people used it, so it went up again to a tenner.
If fuel and road tolls go the same way eventually there will be no one left to legally tax. Plate cloning will become the accepted crime (in London loads of law abiding people cover their number plates or remove them when parking - illegal but somehow acceptable as it's the councils fault for taking the piss) as school run mums and hard pressed businesses claim it's just their way of managing.
Insurance companies are already offering discounts for drivers who have black boxes fitted in their cars. The flip side of this is that you WILL end up paying more for your insurance as the box profiles you and they decide your a bad driver, based on their criteria. Not the highway code. You'll also most likely have to pay a surcharge for not having one and get a higher premium as by their reckoning only bad drivers would refuse a box. Kawasaki has very sneekily installed a data logger on it's new VERSYS 1000 without really mentioning it. The data can be accessed by police and insurance on request.
The same boxes will be forced on to all of us as i think that you won't get insured without one. Then the government can do what it aways does, let someone else take the st for a bad thing and then say 'we are only making use of technology already in use' or some st. Then GPS us all to within an inch of poverty....
The CC in London worked so well when it first started that the price went up (£5 - £8) to fill the shortfall in profit that the government had promised the contractors who installed and run the system. SO less people used it, so it went up again to a tenner.
If fuel and road tolls go the same way eventually there will be no one left to legally tax. Plate cloning will become the accepted crime (in London loads of law abiding people cover their number plates or remove them when parking - illegal but somehow acceptable as it's the councils fault for taking the piss) as school run mums and hard pressed businesses claim it's just their way of managing.
Insurance companies are already offering discounts for drivers who have black boxes fitted in their cars. The flip side of this is that you WILL end up paying more for your insurance as the box profiles you and they decide your a bad driver, based on their criteria. Not the highway code. You'll also most likely have to pay a surcharge for not having one and get a higher premium as by their reckoning only bad drivers would refuse a box. Kawasaki has very sneekily installed a data logger on it's new VERSYS 1000 without really mentioning it. The data can be accessed by police and insurance on request.
The same boxes will be forced on to all of us as i think that you won't get insured without one. Then the government can do what it aways does, let someone else take the s
t for a bad thing and then say 'we are only making use of technology already in use' or some st. Then GPS us all to within an inch of poverty....If cameras and road tolls come in en masse then the use of cloned plates will rocket. It will be despised by the public and will lead to poll tax type riots. fking bring it on 
TX.
Edit - loads of plates to choose from here if you drive a Golf GTi:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=10&hl=en&am...
king bring it on TX.
Edit - loads of plates to choose from here if you drive a Golf GTi:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=10&hl=en&am...
Edited by Terminator X on Wednesday 14th November 13:46
If everyone stopped driving, they would just tax you on something else, that is how it works
Remember cheap Diesel fuel
Car companies started making more and more Diesel cars to please the masses then good old government bungs higher taxes on it so now you pay more 
At the moment electric cars are exempt from Taxation, It wont last, government needs the revenue.
Bottom line, your screwed what ever you do
Remember cheap Diesel fuel
Car companies started making more and more Diesel cars to please the masses then good old government bungs higher taxes on it so now you pay more At the moment electric cars are exempt from Taxation, It wont last, government needs the revenue.Bottom line, your screwed what ever you do
richb77 said:
Well. As an affront to my personal privacy (I have not given permission to be photographed willy nilly) i will be using illegible number plates from here on in. Stop before the tolls. Swap the plates...Pass the tolls swap them back again.
fking thieving spying s.
f
king thieving spying s.
Wont just be you rich, thats for sure.
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