RE: GT86: the next step

[LordGrover]

Elise is hardly an every day practical daily though is it? Far too 'hard core' for GT86's target demographic IMO - certainly useless to me as an only car.

[Kozy]

Raitzi said:

Yes, driver IQ also has inverse correlation to spoiler height So you will downgrade you brain if you upgrade your car with a big spoiler

What about if the car left the factory with one?

[dele]

[Captain Muppet]

LordGrover said:

Elise is hardly an every day practical daily though is it? Far too 'hard core' for GT86's target demographic IMO - certainly useless to me as an only car.

Yes, but imagine if I were suggesting it to someone who complained that their MX5 wasn't raw enough. Like I was. I even quoted him to make it clear what I was replying to. I wasn't suggesting it to you.

Also my Elise is my daily driver, and it seems adequately practical, especially compared to my MX5, which is the same as the one in the post I was replying to, which I've copied below so you can have another go at reading it in context:

Captain Muppet said:

Terror Factor said:

They look better IRL imo. Red is my favorite color, and that also happens to be the stock color for the Toyota

The wing looks good on them, I saw a red one getting the aero package (wing, sideskirts, modified front and rear bumper), looked great! The pictures don't do it justice

As for the driving.. it's a bit hard to tell, I'm quite a noob, and I don't feel very comfortable with a salesman next to me. I was allowed to have a go on a deserted terrain, and the car feels easy to control when sliding. Defo easier than my mx-5 (NA turbo). But it's still a modern car, it's quite isolated, and I already think my 5 doesn't feel raw enough.

You can buy a Lotus Elise for new for £27k. Faster and definitely more "raw" than a GT86, and for just an extra two grand.

I have an MX5 (also an NA turbo) and an Elise. I'd take the Elise every time if I had to go down to just one car.

Just to make it clear - I'm not suggesting the Elise is in the same market as a GT86. I've had enough 2-seaters and 2+2s to understand the difference.

[David1976]

I have owned Elise variants and, whilst I loved them as a driving car, they were incredibly impractical. As an only car... No way!!

The NVH, insulation from the elements, lack of space etc made the GT86 an easy choice.

The continuous moaning about a "lack of power" is boring... Most owners of the cars that have put thousands of miles on them have not complained about the power output. The gearing may not be optimized for 0-60 runs but I couldn't give a st.

[BenzM]

McSam said:

Why can't people on here just watch that "The Real Deal" TV advert?

I'm afraid we can't even do that anymore. The Advertising Standards Authority says we're not allowed to watch the advert as we (the public) are so thick that just seeing the advert could make us drive dangerously. Apparently the advert is irresponsible and condones dangerous driving.



http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2012/1...

[jbi]

FFS another agency that I would quite happily see burned in the government cuts.

[jensenhealey2]

BenzM said:

McSam said:

Why can't people on here just watch that "The Real Deal" TV advert?

I'm afraid we can't even do that anymore. The Advertising Standards Authority says we're not allowed to watch the advert as we (the public) are so thick that just seeing the advert could make us drive dangerously. Apparently the advert is irresponsible and condones dangerous driving.



http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2012/1...

Still available on Toyota channel on YouTube. Get it while you can. Today may be its last

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Pb_tmPKGk

Agree with JBI this ruling is bks

[AllyBee]

Surely when it comes to the release of these upgrades we (the UK) are way down the list of TRD's priorities? I can imagine in both Japan and the US they will lap up the big brakes and wings (at a much lower cost no doubt).

[bicycleshorts]

jensenhealey2 said:

Still available on Toyota channel on YouTube. Get it while you can. Today may be its last

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Pb_tmPKGk

Agree with JBI this ruling is bks

See the home page news thread on this for more info, but it's the 90 second ad which has been banned, 60 second one is still fine.

[s m]

jensenhealey2 said:

Still available on Toyota channel on YouTube. Get it while you can. Today may be its last

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Pb_tmPKGk

You'll still be able to watch if after today.

That is not the banned ad

[elvismiggell]

Pretty sure I saw a white version of the TRD car (orange) on the M25 tonight. Just had "GT86" as its rear number plate.

Certainly had the quad exhausts and bumpers.

[matthias73]

McSam said:

Raitzi said:

McSam said:

It's meant to be a usable, cheap, fun road car.

BRZ costs about 50k€ in Finland. And Australians tested acceleration 0-60 to be 11s with two fat blokes in the car. Too much money for shopping trolley performance. Used miata or RX8 is much better bet. We do not even have bare bone spec available. And why gearing on automatic transmission is so high compared to manual? No point getting DCT for this car for this reason.

0-60mph taking 11 seconds in a 1250kg RWD car with 200bhp?

Hmmmmmmm.

When I've done it in a heavier, marginally less powerful E46 in seven seconds, I have to think somebody is full of st.

I've done it in an e46 318i in less than 11. My Peugeot 406 was about the 11 second mark.
How fat are these guys?

[GFWilliams]

matthias73 said:

McSam said:

Raitzi said:

McSam said:

It's meant to be a usable, cheap, fun road car.

BRZ costs about 50k€ in Finland. And Australians tested acceleration 0-60 to be 11s with two fat blokes in the car. Too much money for shopping trolley performance. Used miata or RX8 is much better bet. We do not even have bare bone spec available. And why gearing on automatic transmission is so high compared to manual? No point getting DCT for this car for this reason.

0-60mph taking 11 seconds in a 1250kg RWD car with 200bhp?

Hmmmmmmm.

When I've done it in a heavier, marginally less powerful E46 in seven seconds, I have to think somebody is full of st.

I've done it in an e46 318i in less than 11. My Peugeot 406 was about the 11 second mark.
How fat are these guys?

They must have been rubbish at launching it as there's no way it takes that long

[juansolo]

Good to see that they (and most people who want this bolt on tat and more power) have missed the point of the car entirely.

[Fullmeister]

juansolo said:

Good to see that they (and most people who want this bolt on tat and more power) have missed the point of the car entirely.

Indeed !!! The sheep really need to give it a rest.

[urquattroGus]

Still funny when I sail past in a warm turbodiesel.

[vsonix]

McSam said:

Raitzi said:

McSam said:

It's meant to be a usable, cheap, fun road car.

BRZ costs about 50k€ in Finland. And Australians tested acceleration 0-60 to be 11s with two fat blokes in the car. Too much money for shopping trolley performance. Used miata or RX8 is much better bet. We do not even have bare bone spec available. And why gearing on automatic transmission is so high compared to manual? No point getting DCT for this car for this reason.

0-60mph taking 11 seconds in a 1250kg RWD car with 200bhp?

Hmmmmmmm.

When I've done it in a heavier, marginally less powerful E46 in seven seconds, I have to think somebody is full of st.

Surely the point isn't 0-60 though, it's speed and poise through the bends and general fun handling - if you want to smoke people in 0-60 times you might as well just stick with big AMGs or US muscle.

[BadBanshee]

I read the Autoexpress review of the new more powerful GT86 and they criticized it for having more grip and therefore being less fun...

...Erm, how can more grip mean less fun?! I'm sure you'd still be able to slide about in it, you would just have to do it at higher speeds, which surely must equal MORE fun! No?

[Raitzi]

BadBanshee said:

I read the Autoexpress review of the new more powerful GT86 and they criticized it for having more grip and therefore being less fun...

...Erm, how can more grip mean less fun?! I'm sure you'd still be able to slide about in it, you would just have to do it at higher speeds, which surely must equal MORE fun! No?

Good thing about base model is that it makes driving interesting in lower speeds. More speed required means that you have beat the small engine even more to get to get yourself smiling. Driver's car to me is a car that you can easily transition from neutral to oversteer and understeer as you like. Even the tires of the base car was said to be to grippy in Finnish magazine review. Luckily owners do not have use N-spec tires

Edited by Raitzi on Sunday 18th November 09:28