RE: Tell Me I'm Wrong: Porsche 911 Turbo
Discussion
BlackPrince said:
I don't understand how those with 997 GT3s or just 2WD 911s in general can say that only the 4WD are suitable for winter.
Come on ye olde Walter! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9BV2cWUarI
nbetts said:
markcoznottz said:
... the brakes are under servoed.....
Or perhaps most other 'normal' cars are over-servo'd, did you happen to think about that for a moment. Personally I think the Servo boost is just right and gives a really good feedback to the driver with regards to pressing the brake pedal in relation to the amount of retardation.Over Servo'd cars would be everything made by VW and almost every Mercedes. The dead give away is when people reeturn from a test drive and comment on how fabulous the brakes are when stopping in the car park of the dealer. When in reality they are just massively over-servo'd.
If you want under servo'd I suggest you drive a car without a servo...
nbetts said:
Or perhaps most other 'normal' cars are over-servo'd, did you happen to think about that for a moment. Personally I think the Servo boost is just right and gives a really good feedback to the driver with regards to pressing the brake pedal in relation to the amount of retardation.
Over Servo'd cars would be everything made by VW and almost every Mercedes. The dead give away is when people reeturn from a test drive and comment on how fabulous the brakes are when stopping in the car park of the dealer. When in reality they are just massively over-servo'd.
If you want under servo'd I suggest you drive a car without a servo...
Maybe a lot of modern cars are over servoed that is true, but the 996tt is definitely 'under braked' to most who drive them. The stock response is usually some guff about it being a performance car and 'racing cars' have no servo, which they don't, but they do have harder pads which when hot provide all the outright stopping power you need , and the lack of servo allows pinpoint pedal pressure, it all sort of 'works' with slicks, hard suspension and smooth race track surfaces . Road cars with no servo have been a disaster with regard to braking, see the Ferrari f40 and xj220. Over Servo'd cars would be everything made by VW and almost every Mercedes. The dead give away is when people reeturn from a test drive and comment on how fabulous the brakes are when stopping in the car park of the dealer. When in reality they are just massively over-servo'd.
If you want under servo'd I suggest you drive a car without a servo...
In my experience,ABS activating on my 997 turbo is caused by cold tyres.
Also when the rear's are down to 3mm it's also a problem.
I would fit winter tyres if they did them to fit turbo wheels,apparently OEM tyres don't work at 7 deg' or less,which means lots of ABS!
Also when the rear's are down to 3mm it's also a problem.
I would fit winter tyres if they did them to fit turbo wheels,apparently OEM tyres don't work at 7 deg' or less,which means lots of ABS!
Edited by hallwelder on Wednesday 21st November 20:24
mosbo said:
Max_Torque said:
Personally, i've never actually seen the turbo as the "fun" one. Let me set you a scene:
You're a guy/gal who works in the city, done pretty well for yourself (but not quite well enough to have a helicopter ;-) you work late, your meeting finishes just after 9pm, and you need to be back home in the Cotswolds before last orders. Well, the Turbo is clearly the best car for the job. It trundles easily through the stop-start lights out from central London, and then it's pointed north on the M40 with the cruise set just out of 3 figures. Maybe an occasional squirt a bit higher when no ones around. 60mins later your feet are up on front of a roaring fire with a pint in your hand. No stress, just high speed mile munching, and you've even had a bit of fun on the last 15 cross country miles over some nicely deserted B roads, Come rain or shine it's Perfect!
Nail on the head.You're a guy/gal who works in the city, done pretty well for yourself (but not quite well enough to have a helicopter ;-) you work late, your meeting finishes just after 9pm, and you need to be back home in the Cotswolds before last orders. Well, the Turbo is clearly the best car for the job. It trundles easily through the stop-start lights out from central London, and then it's pointed north on the M40 with the cruise set just out of 3 figures. Maybe an occasional squirt a bit higher when no ones around. 60mins later your feet are up on front of a roaring fire with a pint in your hand. No stress, just high speed mile munching, and you've even had a bit of fun on the last 15 cross country miles over some nicely deserted B roads, Come rain or shine it's Perfect!
Another scene.....
You're a guy/gal (ok, a guy) who doesn't work in the city, done well enough so can afford a used 911 Turbo as a hobby (as your passion has always been cars...specifically Porsche). You wouldn't dream of driving it for work or for any mundane journeys (unassuming diesel is much better suited to that). You use it only for solitary blasts on your favourite country roads (of which there are many outside of London or the Cotswalds) or with like minded friends / car club runs. You do the occasional track day. You get to fully explore & exploit the power / handling on offer and think to yourself, this is an amazing FUN sports car. You decide it's nearly perfect (a little more raw exhaust sound in the cabin is all you could possibly want for).
And then you start reading PistonHeads and realise the last 3 years must just have been a dream
Edited by OggyDJ on Wednesday 21st November 22:14
OggyDJ said:
mosbo said:
Max_Torque said:
Personally, i've never actually seen the turbo as the "fun" one. Let me set you a scene:
You're a guy/gal who works in the city, done pretty well for yourself (but not quite well enough to have a helicopter ;-) you work late, your meeting finishes just after 9pm, and you need to be back home in the Cotswolds before last orders. Well, the Turbo is clearly the best car for the job. It trundles easily through the stop-start lights out from central London, and then it's pointed north on the M40 with the cruise set just out of 3 figures. Maybe an occasional squirt a bit higher when no ones around. 60mins later your feet are up on front of a roaring fire with a pint in your hand. No stress, just high speed mile munching, and you've even had a bit of fun on the last 15 cross country miles over some nicely deserted B roads, Come rain or shine it's Perfect!
Nail on the head.You're a guy/gal who works in the city, done pretty well for yourself (but not quite well enough to have a helicopter ;-) you work late, your meeting finishes just after 9pm, and you need to be back home in the Cotswolds before last orders. Well, the Turbo is clearly the best car for the job. It trundles easily through the stop-start lights out from central London, and then it's pointed north on the M40 with the cruise set just out of 3 figures. Maybe an occasional squirt a bit higher when no ones around. 60mins later your feet are up on front of a roaring fire with a pint in your hand. No stress, just high speed mile munching, and you've even had a bit of fun on the last 15 cross country miles over some nicely deserted B roads, Come rain or shine it's Perfect!
Another scene.....
You're a guy/gal who doesn't work in the city, done well enough so can afford a used 911 Turbo as a hobby (as your passion has always been cars...specifically Porsche). You wouldn't dream of driving it for work or for any mundane journeys (unassuming diesel is much better suited to that). You use it only for solitary blasts on your favourite country roads (of which there are many outside of London or the Cotswalds) or with like minded friends / car club runs. You do the occasional track day. You get to really explore the amazing power / handling on offer and think to yourself, this is an amazing sports car, it's nearly perfect (a little more raw exhaust sound in the cabin would be welcome).
And then you starting reading PistonHeads and realise it was all just a dream
We are all entitled to our opinion, but I really must be living in a parallel universe ??
When those 480 horses and 680nms are pushing me back in the seat, when I hit the limiter in 3rd and all 4 wheels momentarily get airborne over that hump in the road, when I see the road ahead is clear and bury the throttle around that corner....revelling in the steering feel....never once do I think to myself "yawn...this is boring".
Have driven enough cars to compare (GT2s, GT3s, 991S, 981S, Cayman, Caterham R400, Lotus Exige S, TVRs etc etc....) but still I don't see the Turbo as boring or uninvolving. Is why I won't be selling it any time soon.
Perhaps I need to move to the Cotswalds and then I could get the REAL Turbo experience
When those 480 horses and 680nms are pushing me back in the seat, when I hit the limiter in 3rd and all 4 wheels momentarily get airborne over that hump in the road, when I see the road ahead is clear and bury the throttle around that corner....revelling in the steering feel....never once do I think to myself "yawn...this is boring".
Have driven enough cars to compare (GT2s, GT3s, 991S, 981S, Cayman, Caterham R400, Lotus Exige S, TVRs etc etc....) but still I don't see the Turbo as boring or uninvolving. Is why I won't be selling it any time soon.
Perhaps I need to move to the Cotswalds and then I could get the REAL Turbo experience
doctorima said:
I had one of these for three years, had it chipped, fitted Europipe exhaust, still it didn't gell, mighty quick, but ended up selling it and have gone back to 993 which seems to suit me better, no great desire to move on.
Top quality lurking there, one post in six years! doctorima said:
I had one of these for three years, had it chipped, fitted Europipe exhaust, still it didn't gell, mighty quick, but ended up selling it and have gone back to 993 which seems to suit me better, no great desire to move on.
congratulations on some olympic standard lurking there.....OggyDJ said:
Nail in the head more like
Another scene.....
You're a guy/gal (ok, a guy) who doesn't work in the city, done well enough so can afford a used 911 Turbo as a hobby (as your passion has always been cars...specifically Porsche). You wouldn't dream of driving it for work or for any mundane journeys (unassuming diesel is much better suited to that). You use it only for solitary blasts on your favourite country roads (of which there are many outside of London or the Cotswalds) or with like minded friends / car club runs. You do the occasional track day. You get to fully explore & exploit the power / handling on offer and think to yourself, this is an amazing FUN sports car. You decide it's nearly perfect (a little more raw exhaust sound in the cabin is all you could possibly want for).
And then you start reading PistonHeads and realise the last 3 years must just have been a dream
This is totally accurate Another scene.....
You're a guy/gal (ok, a guy) who doesn't work in the city, done well enough so can afford a used 911 Turbo as a hobby (as your passion has always been cars...specifically Porsche). You wouldn't dream of driving it for work or for any mundane journeys (unassuming diesel is much better suited to that). You use it only for solitary blasts on your favourite country roads (of which there are many outside of London or the Cotswalds) or with like minded friends / car club runs. You do the occasional track day. You get to fully explore & exploit the power / handling on offer and think to yourself, this is an amazing FUN sports car. You decide it's nearly perfect (a little more raw exhaust sound in the cabin is all you could possibly want for).
And then you start reading PistonHeads and realise the last 3 years must just have been a dream
(and is scarily close to being a description of me/my situation - have you been stalking me?!?!?)
If the turbo was the ultimate drivers car, there wouldn't be the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS etc etc yada yada.
The simple answer is people have different ideas of fun. If we could all drive like Hamilton, we'd probably all agree the Turbo is a bit too numb and has a bit too much performance to safely exploit on the road.
Some people just prefer the sensation of going quickly and safely round corners, no where near the limit of grip, and for that, the Turbo is the PERFECT car.
The simple answer is people have different ideas of fun. If we could all drive like Hamilton, we'd probably all agree the Turbo is a bit too numb and has a bit too much performance to safely exploit on the road.
Some people just prefer the sensation of going quickly and safely round corners, no where near the limit of grip, and for that, the Turbo is the PERFECT car.
Trommel said:
OggyDJ said:
Point was only, is it too fast to be fun ??
Point is, do you have to drive it very fast for it to feel fun? Something can't be too fast to be fun.Some people like to be below the limit, some like to be at, or slightly over the limit.
If you're one of those who thinks fun is at, and past the limit, then a 996 / 997 turbo is too fast to be fun, as the limit is so high.
Trommel said:
jon- said:
If you're one of those who thinks fun is at, and past the limit, then a 996 / 997 turbo is too fast to be fun, as the limit is so high.
Where does that leave something like a GT3 RS? Are their "limits" much lower? More to it than that.At least it turns into a well balanced machine on track, unlike the turbo... *runs for cover*
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