RE: Driven: Volvo S60 T6 Polestar
Discussion
After_Shock said:
What and an S4/S6/S8 or anything from Audi that isn't an RS model doesn't drop like a stone in value??
Spec up any of the Audi range and your talking silly silly money to start with and without all of those important options they aren't worth anything what people think they will be worth after 3 years.
Very true, the same is to be said for BMW and Mercedes.Spec up any of the Audi range and your talking silly silly money to start with and without all of those important options they aren't worth anything what people think they will be worth after 3 years.
Tick those boxes people, tick those boxes.
I currently have an Audi S3 Sportback and have recently been forced into a company car scheme on account of the terms offered to me as a "grey fleet" user if I didn't.
As I was sucked into the world of low Co2, company car tax and lease car pricing I was drawn to the Audi, BMW and Merc options - but was really taken by the Volvo S/V60 duo. The Volvo is c.15% cheaper on contract hire, for more powerful / better spec cars.
The D5 offers 215bhp and at least 310lb.ft for 119-120g Co2. I don't think there's currently a higher output engine with lower Co2 available? (Now there's a challenge to the Pistonheads massive).
It's important to point out that the S60 described here is an R-Design (i.e. Volvo's M-Sport / S-Line equivalent), with the addition of Polestar software, wheels and some other minor bits to either the D5 or T6. You can just add the software alone to a non-R Design S60 or V60.
In the end, I concluded that an SE Lux Nav spec was more appropriate for the V60 D5 I've just ordered, as I feel it's more in keeping with the Volvo "thing". I'd love to see a proper Polestar though.
As I was sucked into the world of low Co2, company car tax and lease car pricing I was drawn to the Audi, BMW and Merc options - but was really taken by the Volvo S/V60 duo. The Volvo is c.15% cheaper on contract hire, for more powerful / better spec cars.
The D5 offers 215bhp and at least 310lb.ft for 119-120g Co2. I don't think there's currently a higher output engine with lower Co2 available? (Now there's a challenge to the Pistonheads massive).
It's important to point out that the S60 described here is an R-Design (i.e. Volvo's M-Sport / S-Line equivalent), with the addition of Polestar software, wheels and some other minor bits to either the D5 or T6. You can just add the software alone to a non-R Design S60 or V60.
In the end, I concluded that an SE Lux Nav spec was more appropriate for the V60 D5 I've just ordered, as I feel it's more in keeping with the Volvo "thing". I'd love to see a proper Polestar though.
Edited by Basil Hume on Monday 19th November 15:38
Check for yourself on the Volvo website how much these depreciate against the competition using CAP values... http://www.volvocars.com/uk/all-cars/volvo-s60/too...
Very nice. If I had the money I'd have one. Standard car is quite nice, presuming this takes it up a notch. Have watched the Polestar chaps compete in the Swedish Touring Car Championship with a S60 with success.
It's great to see Volvo finally capitalising on the Polestar partnership; it only goes to show what Saab could have had if they adopted Hirsch further into Trollhattan's main projects!
It's great to see Volvo finally capitalising on the Polestar partnership; it only goes to show what Saab could have had if they adopted Hirsch further into Trollhattan's main projects!
PHMatt said:
I respect Volvo's but I just dont see how they can charge what they do.
Why have this
http://car-designconcept.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
When you could have this
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attac...
The Volvo is more bold but some how looks like it's really futuristic - until next week when it'll be horribly outdated.
Every Volvo I've ever been in has a very tatty feeling interior.
Much prefer the Volvo...Why have this
http://car-designconcept.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
When you could have this
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attac...
The Volvo is more bold but some how looks like it's really futuristic - until next week when it'll be horribly outdated.
Every Volvo I've ever been in has a very tatty feeling interior.
I had this for a day. Under sufferance, which sounds astonishingly ungrateful but isn't meant in that way. I genuinely nearly took my own car (to a Sunday Service) because I just couldn't get on with it. Yes, it is quite quick. However that isn't compensated for by any stretch by the three much more disturbing things about it:
1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
Stuart said:
I had this for a day. Under sufferance, which sounds astonishingly ungrateful but isn't meant in that way. I genuinely nearly took my own car (to a Sunday Service) because I just couldn't get on with it. Yes, it is quite quick. However that isn't compensated for by any stretch by the three much more disturbing things about it:
1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
Thanks for sharing your experaince with us Stuart. 1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
I love Volvo and tbh I'd choose one of the German offerings over it.
Stuart said:
I had this for a day. Under sufferance, which sounds astonishingly ungrateful but isn't meant in that way. I genuinely nearly took my own car (to a Sunday Service) because I just couldn't get on with it. Yes, it is quite quick. However that isn't compensated for by any stretch by the three much more disturbing things about it:
1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
You obviously didn't get it because you've been indoctrinated with the usual German bulls1) A properly half arsed effort to make it seem sporty inside when, really, it's just a Volvo. Rubbish "sports" seats and a lightly embossed steering wheel were it. Not good enough.
2) All the safety gubbins. I just couldn't switch it off, and it kept chirping at me all the way up the motorway. Hateful.
3) That blue. Yes, I know, Polestar, their M/AMG/insert sporty sub brand of your choice, and this is the signature colour. Horrible. It looks like a fast response car for NTL.
As if that wasn't enough, the price is RIDICULOUS. I hate the lazy "but you could have a *insert 10 year old Porsche* for that money" new car comparison because it simply isn't appropriate in most cases. With this though I think you'd have to be daft or spending someone else's money without fear of residual consequences to buy one new. Not when there's so much other stuff out there for the cash.
t. I laugh at comments like this because these were the same comments made at Audi not so long ago and now you can't wait long enough to get into one of their abysmal 2.0TDI pieces of st.RevolveR said:
You obviously didn't get it because you've been indoctrinated with the usual German bullst. I laugh at comments like this because these were the same comments made at Audi not so long ago and now you can't wait long enough to get into one of their abysmal 2.0TDI pieces of st.
You know nothing about me. We've always had a Volvo in the family and I still covet the T5 my first boss had, even in white. I get Volvo.t. I laugh at comments like this because these were the same comments made at Audi not so long ago and now you can't wait long enough to get into one of their abysmal 2.0TDI pieces of st.This is poor product though. Poorly finished and hilariously optimistically priced. Just not good enough I'm afraid, and it'll absolutely tank in the used market.
Spend your cash on it by all means, but it isn't for me.
Stuart said:
You know nothing about me. We've always had a Volvo in the family and I still covet the T5 my first boss had, even in white. I get Volvo.
This is poor product though. Poorly finished and hilariously optimistically priced. Just not good enough I'm afraid, and it'll absolutely tank in the used market.
Spend your cash on it by all means, but it isn't for me.
How is it poorly finished? I really dont see how in any area they are.This is poor product though. Poorly finished and hilariously optimistically priced. Just not good enough I'm afraid, and it'll absolutely tank in the used market.
Spend your cash on it by all means, but it isn't for me.
After_Shock said:
How is it poorly finished? I really dont see how in any area they are.
Not as in badly made, because they are clearly very well made cars. I meant that as a performance sub-brand, it didn't feel as if they'd made quite enough effort to make the interior special by comparison to others, and I don't just mean Germans. The seats professed to be sporty, but just weren't really, and the rest of the interior felt very much like a normal S60s. It probably didn't help that ours had quite a light interior tbh, but it just didn't feel like the cabin of a near £40k car.^^^ This is partly why I went for an SE Lux when ordering my V60.
R-Design trim looks convincing overall, but unless you go for the leather option it doesn't play to Volvo's strengths in some ways. I've ordered my "old man" spec with the Beechwood tan leather and some of the other spec that you can't have on an R-Design:
SE Lux:
R-Design:
R-Design trim looks convincing overall, but unless you go for the leather option it doesn't play to Volvo's strengths in some ways. I've ordered my "old man" spec with the Beechwood tan leather and some of the other spec that you can't have on an R-Design:
SE Lux:
R-Design:
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