RE: Jaguar's M5 rival takes shape

[Beefmeister]

Eighteeteewhy said:

Hopefully no need to 're-create' the engine noise.

Certainly not, i hope it'll sound like the XKR-S!

http://youtu.be/SWI53bYs7LE

That was a fun couple of days, never got bored of the noise...

[Dr Z]

Beefmeister said:

2nd teaser pic released on Jag's Facebook page:



Can't wait for this car, I love the XKR-S and this just seems even cooler...

Aw, that wing killed it!

It was looking mean in the first shot. No wings on Jags please!

(And THAT colour! )

[heavyearly76]

I love Jaguar (I have a XJR) but I'm getting tired of all manufacturers creating a whole new model by simply adding 50hp. Back in the day a special model would have had 200hp more. What's wrong with the standard XFR? I thought that was supposed to be the "ultimate" Jag saloon. Now 50hp, a stupid looking wing and some paint and they have a whole new car??? I'm getting more cynical with age.

And just before anyone makes the comment "so you want 700hp you immature child???". No I'm quite pleased with 400...

[Niffty951]

I wish Jaguar would pull their socks up. Their top performance models have been lagging at the back of the field for a few generations now. This performance would have put jaguar on the map in 2000 but today it's going to disappear into the mists.

A mercerdes rivalling 600hp, 200mph super saloon would have had the press talking and order books filling.

Jaguar used to be about engineering achievements. The fastest in class, the gentleman's rocket sled.

This trend of producing yet another marketing variation, slower than the benchmark m5 that leads the way in absolutely nothing is getting tedious.

Edited by Niffty951 on Tuesday 20th November 15:28

[Niffty951]

heavyearly76 said:

I love Jaguar (I have a XJR) but I'm getting tired of all manufacturers creating a whole new model by simply adding 50hp. Back in the day a special model would have had 200hp more. What's wrong with the standard XFR? I thought that was supposed to be the "ultimate" Jag saloon. Now 50hp, a stupid looking wing and some paint and they have a whole new car??? I'm getting more cynical with age.

And just before anyone makes the comment "so you want 700hp you immature child???". No I'm quite pleased with 400...

I hadn't read these responses when I posted but yes! +1

[trando]

I own a 2010 XFR and love it except for the noise it makes. I came from a C63 AMG to the Jag - the Germans certainly knew how to make a proper V8 noise. I've recently replaced the XFR back boxes with some from Spires and it has made the world of difference. I only hope that Jag do something similar to the XFR-S. Otherwise, I love the look of it, although agree with the comments about the rear spoiler. Maybe it will be a delete option as I wouldn't buy it with one...

[BS75]

Dr Z said:

Aw, that wing killed it!

It was looking mean in the first shot. No wings on Jags please!

(And THAT colour! )

Let me get this straight. The wing isn't subtle enough but that obnoxious colour is ok?

How does that work?

I think it would look fantastic, WITH the wing, but in a slightly less mid-life-crisis-penis-extension colour.

[caine100]

Uh oh, that wing is gonna upset the Victoria Beckham image-conscious types.

I must admit I'd rather take the performance hit and be able to see out the back. Oh well, at least you know it will sound a lot better than the M5, ride well and go like stink.

I think Jaguar are missing a trick not giving it more power than the M5, though. I think a lot of people will look at them being so similar on paper and choose the M5 based on the badge. Giving it say, 600hp, would give people more of a reason to choose it over its more established rivals. Plus I'm a firm believer in the notion that you can never have enough power.

[Beefmeister]

trando said:

I own a 2010 XFR and love it except for the noise it makes. I came from a C63 AMG to the Jag - the Germans certainly knew how to make a proper V8 noise. I've recently replaced the XFR back boxes with some from Spires and it has made the world of difference. I only hope that Jag do something similar to the XFR-S. Otherwise, I love the look of it, although agree with the comments about the rear spoiler. Maybe it will be a delete option as I wouldn't buy it with one...

See the video i linked to at the top of the page. I'd be very surprised if it doesn't sound like that.

Yum.

[kambites]

Horrah! Someone isn't fitting bloody turbochargers to everything!

[Dr Z]

BS75 said:

Let me get this straight. The wing isn't subtle enough but that obnoxious colour is ok?

How does that work?

I think it would look fantastic, WITH the wing, but in a slightly less mid-life-crisis-penis-extension colour.

No, I'm not going for the 'subtle'. Some things look wrong and that includes Jags with wings.

As for that colour, I concede it is shouty, but a XFR-S IS shouty, it just doesn't need a stupid-WRX-STi wing to do that. Shouty colour is fine by me if Jaguar want to appeal to a younger audience and I'm a young guy (no penis extensions necessary).

[GranCab]

Jaguar XKR-S 5.0 Coupe List Price ... £97,430 - on the road

Stratstone JAGUAR XK 5.0 Supercharged V8 R-S 2dr Auto 2011 £68,990 ....

I guess a trade bid would be circa £55k

[will261058]

This looks pretty good so come on BMW!

[Chapppers]

Six Fiend said:

Please Jaguar, make it sound like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5ivpJwmIQ

Need new trousers. Jesus. Want want want.

[Gorbyrev]

Love that blue! What a machine - that will take some beating in its sector, especially as it will sound like thunder!

[George29]

I really was hoping it would be very subtle. Shame about that rear wing, completely ruined it for me already.

[BeirutTaxi]

Chapppers said:

Six Fiend said:

Please Jaguar, make it sound like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa5ivpJwmIQ

Need new trousers. Jesus. Want want want.

I've heard that noise before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIkSbL83Rx4&fea...

[m444ttb]

I'd be very interested in a Sportbrake version... once it depreciates 80% of its new price anyway!

[Motormatt]

zebedee said:

Prof Prolapse said:

zebedee said:

Prof Prolapse said:

To be fair the car at Bonneville was tuned within an inch of it's life, had masses of aerodynamic changes and loads of weight in the boot to get grip on the salt.

Significantly changed from the road car.

You can go and see it at Gaydon Heritage Centre (it was there a month or two back when I went anyway)

I've seen the pictures. I was fairly underwhelmed to be honest... You stick massive wings on a car, you alter the boost pressure and mapping, you add loads of weight to the boot and you get the biggest runway in the world and voila. 225mph.

I wasn't underwhelmed because I expected it to look pretty rubbish. It was after all done by the same outfit that made such an absymal attempt at bringing the XK to Le Mans. That was just embarrassing.

I've seen the Bonneville XF at Gaydon and would agree - there is so little XF remaining it's a borderline silhouette car.

The XFR-S should be a great car, hopefully it will drive as well as it looks and become a real alternative in the German AMG/RS/M dominated super saloon arms race.

In the wake of the recently introduced 4 pot diesel XF Jag desperately needed to compete with the Germans in the fleet market, its brilliant to see they havent forgotten whats really important and produced this. I just hope that rear wing is optional.

[BeirutTaxi]

nick_mcuk said:

Cant help thinking its still the poor man's Aston though.

In the same way that:

The M3 is a poor man's M5.
Buggatti's Veyron is a poor man's F1 car
The Mini is a poor man's BMW
An Alfa Romeo is a poor man's Ferrari.

The list is endless.