RE: Audi plotting hardcore TT

[Guvernator]

Wulluff said:

Guvernator said:

What we are all hoping for

RWD, manual gearbox, tuned 5 pot pushing out 400bhp, 1200kg weight, £45k

What we'll get

Haldex 4WD, Steptronic gearbox, 1500kgs, chintzy carbon fibre bodykit, £85k

I'm guessing you've never driven a quattro TT

I've driven plenty, even thought about buying one once but it felt a bit too small\claustrophobic inside and it just didn't have that final bit of magic that I was looking for. Not sure what thats got to do the point I was trying to make though.

[HighwayStar]

Guvernator said:

Wulluff said:

Guvernator said:

What we are all hoping for

RWD, manual gearbox, tuned 5 pot pushing out 400bhp, 1200kg weight, £45k

What we'll get

Haldex 4WD, Steptronic gearbox, 1500kgs, chintzy carbon fibre bodykit, £85k

I'm guessing you've never driven a quattro TT

I've driven plenty, even thought about buying one once but it felt a bit too small\claustrophobic inside and it just didn't have that final bit of magic that I was looking for. Not sure what thats got to do the point I was trying to make though.

Surely a bit to small/claustrophobic would rule out a TT if it was 'RWD, manual gearbox, tuned 5 pot pushing out 400bhp, 1200kg weight, £45k'
The MK1 could feel very enclosed but I find the MK2 much more spacious.

But you're right no manufacturer, especially the Germans, have any form in stripping out kit and weight and then charging less than the standard model... Audi are talking like BMW, more aluminium and carbon fibre in the production process... Less weight, definitely more expense.

Edited by HighwayStar on Monday 26th November 22:08

[sgq89]

Porsche997C4S said:

sgq89 said:

Porsche997C4S said:

treetops said:

Is it just me or is the TT a bit girly?

Shut up.

Thats abit of a rude reply. I agree, its stupidly girly.

That's just your opinion I guess, like your maserati looks cheap and ugly.

Ha, you are of course entitled to your opinion, and I accept it. However, telling someone to "shut up" because they think the TT is abit girly is not really needed.

How's your Beetle? I reckon I've seen at least 20 911's today. What's it like having a boring common car seen on every street corner? I also enjoy that you have chosen the very specific model of Beetle as your username. Just so we're not in any doubt! Funny.

Edited by sgq89 on Monday 26th November 22:46

[anonymous-user]

Is there even any space left on the car to add more chavvy bling?

1000kg is impossible unless its a 4 cylinder engine, RWD and completely stripped of any carpets, heavy layers or toys.

Edited by RenOHH on Monday 26th November 22:53

[ar 145]

Here, let me write a review (based on my predictions of it ) to save the press time lol

"blisteringly quick, dull steering, uninvolving handling, good sound, ultimately dull"

[Verde]

This.
Unless/until Audi decides that a drivers car is not a FWD car with a bit or RWD thrown in, it's just a fun hatchback kinda thing. Like the R8, where most of the power is to the rear and just a tad to the front unless there's a 'problem' is the way to go. Or RWD only. Do that, fix the power steering/rack, a firmer set of brakes/brake-lines and they could have it. Omit these key bits, and it's still just a peppy hatchback without the practicality.
It's certainly still a head-turner.
I hope they go for it - but I fear that the sun has set on getting enthusiasts to take another look at that one.
V

TTmonkey said:

Surely all they've ever needed to do to this car is to reverse the direction that the system shoves all the power to? e.g. All the power should go to the rear until it loses grip and then to the front to save the day. Like Audi does with its Lambo cars.

[Verde]

Nope, it's not just you...
V

treetops said:

Is it just me or is the TT a bit girly?

[Raitzi]

rtz62 said:

Anyone care to elucidate why the majority of the 'best' tuned TiTties have adjustable Haldex controllers with the torque spread biased to the rear. Or am I missing something?
Certainly works in a friend-of-a-friends Octavia track car with 400bhp....

Without ratio modifications best you can do with haldex controller is 50:50 split which still understeers like hell. Even stock impreza is something like 40:60.

Haldex would work like a charm if they reversed the system and put engine in the back. Then you could have even 0:100 split if needed.

[rtz62]

Hmmmn not sure you're correct in that as the sk

[rtz62]

Hmmmn not sure you're correct in that as the skoda I rode in had a rear-bias, but hey-ho.
Also a German manufacturer has got previous for stripping a car out and charging less; I give you the Porsche 954 RS America.

[nickfrog]

Raitzi said:

nickfrog said:

They couldn't put the torsen in, that why they use the Haldex, the engine is the wrong way for that.

Then turn the engine or remove the front drive shafts.

If you turn the engine it won't fit, will it? That's precisely why it's turned that way in the first place. It's not a Lego kit ;-).

[GranCab]

TTmonkey said:

Surely all they've ever needed to do to this car is to reverse the direction that the system shoves all the power to? e.g. All the power should go to the rear until it loses grip and then to the front to save the day. Like Audi does with its Lambo cars.

The early TTs could do this all on their own as they entered a fast sweeping bend ....

[mrclav]

Mitch2.0 said:

If it actually tips the scales at 1000kgs I'll eat my own hair, it just won't happen, you can shed half a tonne out of the car.

That said even if it comes in at 1200kgs (which is more realistic) and has 360ps it will be an absolute stormer, I expect they'll fiddle with the 4WD system to make it even more rear-bias as well.

You do realise the present basic 2.0 TFSI-engined TT tips the scales at 1280kg right? Therefore, it stands to reason that removing another 300kg, whilst pricey, is entirely possible. Removing 80kgs (to meet your theoretical 1200kgs) would be relatively easy!

[SuperchargedVR6]

mrclav said:

Mitch2.0 said:

If it actually tips the scales at 1000kgs I'll eat my own hair, it just won't happen, you can shed half a tonne out of the car.

That said even if it comes in at 1200kgs (which is more realistic) and has 360ps it will be an absolute stormer, I expect they'll fiddle with the 4WD system to make it even more rear-bias as well.

You do realise the present basic 2.0 TFSI-engined TT tips the scales at 1280kg right? Therefore, it stands to reason that removing another 300kg, whilst pricey, is entirely possible. Removing 80kgs (to meet your theoretical 1200kgs) would be relatively easy!

Yep, because half of it is made of aluminium I believe. Make it from CF instead, and there's your weight saving. And if it's going to be a 'hardcore' version, there won't be any back seats, A/C, no sunroof or any other nods to luxury. With Audi's knowhow and financial clout, 1000kg is very possible. Whether people will be prepared to pay for it, is another matter, but surely this is just testing the water to see what people will pay for the new Quattro?

I don't know why people are going on about the 'torsen'. That just means 'Torque Sensing', in other words, it's just a Quaife diff. Fit a Quaife diff into the TT's gearbox and there you have it, your 'torsen' diff. Stick another one in the rear axle, fit a Haldex Sport controller (gen 2) with 50/50 split and you effectively have an Evo. i.e. the ability to transmit torque to the wheel/s with most grip.

The pair of quaifes and some front geometry changes will kill the understeer and restore some steering feedback.

Edited by SuperchargedVR6 on Tuesday 27th November 10:32

[nickfrog]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

Yep, because half of it is made of aluminium I believe. Make it from CF instead, and there's your weight saving. And if it's going to be a 'hardcore' version, there won't be any back seats, A/C, no sunroof or any other nods to luxury. With Audi's knowhow and financial clout, 1000kg is very possible. Whether people will be prepared to pay for it, is another matter, but surely this is just testing the water to see what people will pay for the new Quattro?

I don't know why people are going on about the 'torsen'. That just means 'Torque Sensing', in other words, it's just a Quaife diff. Fit a Quaife diff into the TT's gearbox and there you have it, your 'torsen' diff. Stick another one in the rear axle, fit a Haldex Sport controller (gen 2) with 50/50 split and you effectively have an Evo. i.e. the ability to transmit torque to the wheel/s with most grip.

The pair of quaifes and some front geometry changes will kill the understeer and restore some steering feedback.

You make automotive engineering look so simple ! Have you considered becoming an automotive consultant ? ;-)

[rogerelliot]

If the current RS is £50k plus, how much will this new version be, £65k?

[Guvernator]

doogz said:

Removing 80Kg would not be relatively easy, especially as this article discusses the fact the I5 engine has been proposed, which is presumably heavier than the 4 pot you mention.

Removing 300Kg would be a huge task, lots of composite parts. Possibly lots more aluminium that is already currently used. The kerb weight of the 5 cylinder RS version is a smidgen under 1.5Te.

Removing half a tonne from that car would be incredibly difficult. Where would it come from? Make all the panels from CF? That'll keep the price down

^^^ This. People make removing weight sound like it's just a case of ripping some seats and sound deadening out, it's not. Even dropping 100Kg off the weight of a car while still retaining some NVH and safety aspects, all very important aspects for Audi is a massive task. Look how hard even top tier manufacturers like Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo have to try to keep the weight of their cars reasonable, some Porsche models have plastic windows and bits of string for door handles FFS and none of them are anywhere close to 1000kgs.

As stated before, if this car comes in anywhere close to that weight (without resorting to 6 figure carbon fibre body panels) I'll eat my hat.

[mrclav]

Guvernator said:

^^^ This. People make removing weight sound like it's just a case of ripping some seats and sound deadening out, it's not. Even dropping 100Kg off the weight of a car while still retaining some NVH and safety aspects, all very important aspects for Audi is a massive task. Look how hard even top tier manufacturers like Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo have to try to keep the weight of their cars reasonable, some Porsche models have plastic windows and bits of string for door handles FFS and none of them are anywhere close to 1000kgs.

As stated before, if this car comes in anywhere close to that weight (without resorting to 6 figure carbon fibre body panels) I'll eat my hat.

I said I think it's possible - I didn't say it would be cheap!

[Guvernator]

mrclav said:

I said I think it's possible - I didn't say it would be cheap!

It is possible yes (see the Lotus Elise as an example) but the Elise platform was designed from the ground up to be as light as possible. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the TT platform will NOT be able to hit that target weight without a major redesign which for a limited production run car is just not viable.

[nickfrog]

CF body parts are not particularly lighter than aluminium for starters.