RE: Audi plotting hardcore TT
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Lots of positive comments... but it still only scores 6.8! Audi's are too expensive for their own good. If they made a GT3 competitor it would probably cost almost as much, so what's the point?!
And while I'm moaning... I'm getting bored with all the TT versions. How many attempts do they need to get it right?
And while I'm moaning... I'm getting bored with all the TT versions. How many attempts do they need to get it right?
Edited by High Roller on Monday 26th November 13:41
Lots of positive comments... but it still only scores 6.8! Audi's are too expensive for their own good. If they made a GT3 competitor it would probably cost almost as much, so what's the point?!
And while I'm moaning... I'm getting bored with all the TT versions. How many attempts do they need to get it right?
And while I'm moaning... I'm getting bored with all the TT versions. How many attempts do they need to get it right?
Edited by High Roller on Monday 26th November 13:48
Fairly interesting news, the 5 pot engine is a brilliant powerplant and the TTRS has always been a decent road car but always lacking that final nth degree of finesse to make it interesting enough for the enthusiast or to be driven on track. However if this gets the go ahead, I look forward to seeing what they can do, Audi CAN produce decent drivers cars, the R8 is brilliant but they seem few and far between these days so a hardcore TT might be the shot in the arm they need.
However two things, this car WILL NOT weigh 1000kgs or anywhere near it, not sure where that figure was plucked from but if Audi make this TT weigh 1000kgs I'll eat my hat.
Secondly the standard TTRS is a £50k car, this will be £70k+ if not more IMO.
However two things, this car WILL NOT weigh 1000kgs or anywhere near it, not sure where that figure was plucked from but if Audi make this TT weigh 1000kgs I'll eat my hat.
Secondly the standard TTRS is a £50k car, this will be £70k+ if not more IMO.
RenesisEvo said:
I wonder if this has anything to do with it:
http://fourtitude.com/features/Miscellaneous_Featu...
Prototype Audi TT 'evo plus' with extensive use of carbon fibre, claiming a weight less than 1000kg.
I bet that'll keep the price down to a reasonable level...http://fourtitude.com/features/Miscellaneous_Featu...
Prototype Audi TT 'evo plus' with extensive use of carbon fibre, claiming a weight less than 1000kg.
It's like twisting the old "Fast, Reliable, Cheap - Pick two"... "Light, Cheap, lickable dashboard - Pick two"
Seriously, if the GT-86 is too heavy, and costs too much, how on earth can this ever happen?
TobesH said:
Track day special, but with 4WD! The best 'track' orientated cars, like nearly all race cars, are either FWD or RWD. Better track drives found elsewhere I suspect.
What do you make of the Nissan GT-R? The race car comment, as ever, is irrelevant - the rules dictate what you can and can't do. If they allowed 4WD, they would have it.RemarkLima said:
Seriously, if the GT-86 is too heavy, and costs too much, how on earth can this ever happen?
Very true, it will be interesting to see what the final product is and where it sits in the price range. It's going to struggle if the price gets near the R8, never mind alternative/more-focused products from competitors.
Where Audi have always fallen very flat is driver involvment.
For most of us, a sportcar is not a daily tool, but something we use for fun, for pleasure.
For this you need a communicative chassis and steering and have the ability to control the slip of the front or rear.
Audi fail completely to understand this. Their response is always more power and more grip, and less and less involvement. The enginnering reasons for this generally revolve around their engine placement and the 4wd systems - in essesnce something with a lot of power going the front wheels, and the engine over the front axle is always going to feel a bit numb. Drive an Audi TT and then an Rx8 - the rx8 is so much more eager to turn in, the steering remains uncorrupted by the power on the way out, and you can generate neutral chassis balance with your right foot.
Unless Audi do a complete about face on this model, with a bespoke drivetrain sending power to the rear only an entirely new steering rack and front suspension, its going to be more of the same from Audi, and a complete failure as a drivers car.
I do anticipaite it to be marketing triumph, with the Halo model selling lots of diesel crap with S Line plastic and the same wheels as the cooking version.
For most of us, a sportcar is not a daily tool, but something we use for fun, for pleasure.
For this you need a communicative chassis and steering and have the ability to control the slip of the front or rear.
Audi fail completely to understand this. Their response is always more power and more grip, and less and less involvement. The enginnering reasons for this generally revolve around their engine placement and the 4wd systems - in essesnce something with a lot of power going the front wheels, and the engine over the front axle is always going to feel a bit numb. Drive an Audi TT and then an Rx8 - the rx8 is so much more eager to turn in, the steering remains uncorrupted by the power on the way out, and you can generate neutral chassis balance with your right foot.
Unless Audi do a complete about face on this model, with a bespoke drivetrain sending power to the rear only an entirely new steering rack and front suspension, its going to be more of the same from Audi, and a complete failure as a drivers car.
I do anticipaite it to be marketing triumph, with the Halo model selling lots of diesel crap with S Line plastic and the same wheels as the cooking version.
I don't think it's the 4WD system that's to blame for the steering feel and understeer in Audis.
When compared to the top front wheel drive hatches, the TT (and S3 for that matter) still tends to oversteer more and provide less feel. I think it's just a case of the chassis/rack being tweaked to provide a safe, easy to drive feel as opposed to an involved, driver focused feel.
Lets face it, most people just want to go fast, and based on the number of Audis I see flying down the motorways I don't think most are bothered about the steering feel. Unfortunately that's contrary to what enthusiasts are after!
When compared to the top front wheel drive hatches, the TT (and S3 for that matter) still tends to oversteer more and provide less feel. I think it's just a case of the chassis/rack being tweaked to provide a safe, easy to drive feel as opposed to an involved, driver focused feel.
Lets face it, most people just want to go fast, and based on the number of Audis I see flying down the motorways I don't think most are bothered about the steering feel. Unfortunately that's contrary to what enthusiasts are after!
JuniorJet said:
TTmonkey said:
Surely all they've ever needed to do to this car is to reverse the direction that the system shoves all the power to? e.g. All the power should go to the rear until it loses grip and then to the front to save the day. Like Audi does with its Lambo cars.
Your logic is valid... but wouldn't it always be too front heavy in that case due to the engine AND then the front drivetrain being "dead weight" up until that point?
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