RE: New Cayman toughens up
Discussion
I have been away from Porsche World for some time.
A rather sobering experience driving a 930 turbo at 10 tenths (or more in the rain.. well it seemed more at the time. Later an utterly uneventful drive in a 944 turbo caused me to leave for other marques.
I am so confused.
Is it me or does it seem a Cayman is a 911 with the engine relocated more towards the location The Almighty hath intended?
Seems to be a waste, this Teutonic approach to the Newtonian solution for a lower polar moment of inertia.
Just move the engine amidships and get on with it!
I suppose we should be grateful that management didn't dictate a cast iron transaxle and magnesium engine....
A rather sobering experience driving a 930 turbo at 10 tenths (or more in the rain.. well it seemed more at the time. Later an utterly uneventful drive in a 944 turbo caused me to leave for other marques.
I am so confused.
Is it me or does it seem a Cayman is a 911 with the engine relocated more towards the location The Almighty hath intended?
Seems to be a waste, this Teutonic approach to the Newtonian solution for a lower polar moment of inertia.
Just move the engine amidships and get on with it!
I suppose we should be grateful that management didn't dictate a cast iron transaxle and magnesium engine....
Very nice IMO. And Mauer is spot-on, cheaper than a TT and Z4 offer little competition (TT not engineered to same std, less heritage and more expensive) and BMW now getting old in design. There is a market gap though for a Porsche between the Cayman/Boxster at 40k and the 911 at 80k ish. I also really like the interiors on these new Porsches.
The PCCBs look lost in those wheels. Will be interesting to see the new base car on it's standard 'little' 19" wheels. Lighter? Well no. Same weight as my 2.7. Might be lighter than a later 3.4 car maybe? It also looks, well, quite large. Visually it falls apart around the rear 3/4. It's gone all Panamera. WTF is that about? Fake strut braces?! Really...
Essentially, like the rest of the new Porsche line up, it does nothing for me at all. You can tell that when the local dealer keeps ringing me to drive them and I just can't be arsed. That's how I feel about them... Pretty sure that's not what they were going for. I'll give the Cayman a go when it comes out. But it'll have to be a damn special drive for me to consider swapping mine. Otherwise, when the 997GTS prices come down to a Cayman money...
Then again, I was out in mine a couple of days ago and it reminded me why I love it so much. It's just the right amount of everything for road use. TBH I can't see me parting with it at all.
Edit: Oooh, just messing with the configurator, you can spec the Boxster 18" wheels for it. It's looking a little more promising. Though amusingly (this is Porsche after all that have options like floor mats and tinted screen that are not optional to make the base price seem lower) they're a £250 option
Essentially, like the rest of the new Porsche line up, it does nothing for me at all. You can tell that when the local dealer keeps ringing me to drive them and I just can't be arsed. That's how I feel about them... Pretty sure that's not what they were going for. I'll give the Cayman a go when it comes out. But it'll have to be a damn special drive for me to consider swapping mine. Otherwise, when the 997GTS prices come down to a Cayman money...
Then again, I was out in mine a couple of days ago and it reminded me why I love it so much. It's just the right amount of everything for road use. TBH I can't see me parting with it at all.
Edit: Oooh, just messing with the configurator, you can spec the Boxster 18" wheels for it. It's looking a little more promising. Though amusingly (this is Porsche after all that have options like floor mats and tinted screen that are not optional to make the base price seem lower) they're a £250 option
Edited by juansolo on Friday 30th November 09:24
Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if it has already been covered but I was genuinely surprised that the Cayenne had sold more than the 911, Boxster and Cayman combined.
Although purists may not like it it certainly makes sense for them to offer it based on those figures and if it allows them to continue making sports cars then everybody is happy
Although purists may not like it it certainly makes sense for them to offer it based on those figures and if it allows them to continue making sports cars then everybody is happy
Herbs said:
Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if it has already been covered but I was genuinely surprised that the Cayenne had sold more than the 911, Boxster and Cayman combined.
Although purists may not like it it certainly makes sense for them to offer it based on those figures and if it allows them to continue making sports cars then everybody is happy
SUV's are the growth segment... It's by some margin, Porsches most profitable car and why others are getting their SUV's out there too. Although purists may not like it it certainly makes sense for them to offer it based on those figures and if it allows them to continue making sports cars then everybody is happy
TTGuy said:
I like the new Cayman, but it just so expensive in comparison to the TT. Even if we were to be unfair and compare the brand new Cayman to the soon to be replaced TT, it is very hard to see where the extra money has gone', apart from the badge that is!
To my eyes, it isn't as nice looking, the interior still doesn't look or feel as special, it's not much faster, its running costs are astronmical by comparison and it’s hugely more expensive. I know its supposedly better to drive, but TBH I drove a Cayman S Design Edition 1 recently, and because the power is all at the top of the rev range, it doesn't feel as fast as even the 2.0T at normal speeds - maybe I'm just used to a more linear torque curve. The second thing that I found annoying was the thing that Cayman owners rant on about - the 'feel' of driving the car. The steering wheel chatter, the heavy clutch, notchy gears - I always thought these were all great things but do you know what, I tired of all of the constant feedback - not exactly relaxing when you want it to be!
It will be interesting to see how the Mk3 TT compares to the new Cayman given that Audi have said that it will be much more of a driver's car…one thing's for sure, it will still be an awful lot cheaper!
Horses for courses as they say. For the exact reasons you love your TT I hated the rental car I drove the other day. I'd prefer a Golf 1.4 (another recent rental I drove) to it any day of the week. I found that the Golf at least did not have any sporting pretensions it couldn't fulfil, was great for the daily grind and - dare I say - more fun to drive than the TT 2.0. But maybe I am just an oddball running a GT3 as a daily driver...To my eyes, it isn't as nice looking, the interior still doesn't look or feel as special, it's not much faster, its running costs are astronmical by comparison and it’s hugely more expensive. I know its supposedly better to drive, but TBH I drove a Cayman S Design Edition 1 recently, and because the power is all at the top of the rev range, it doesn't feel as fast as even the 2.0T at normal speeds - maybe I'm just used to a more linear torque curve. The second thing that I found annoying was the thing that Cayman owners rant on about - the 'feel' of driving the car. The steering wheel chatter, the heavy clutch, notchy gears - I always thought these were all great things but do you know what, I tired of all of the constant feedback - not exactly relaxing when you want it to be!
It will be interesting to see how the Mk3 TT compares to the new Cayman given that Audi have said that it will be much more of a driver's car…one thing's for sure, it will still be an awful lot cheaper!
Edited by TTGuy on Thursday 29th November 13:55
lotusgeek said:
I'll have one when it loses another 60-80kg, gains 60hp and a limited slip diff. Please Porsche just do it. DO IT
So around the same time the base 911 has 500bhp and GT3 650bhp. Never going to happen until someone assassinates the big brother.Edited by CJP80 on Friday 30th November 17:49
sagarich said:
I think it looks great!
If only Porsche didn't have internal marketing politics.... then we could have the full 350hp that the base 991 Carerra gets.
I'd quite like to dyno them both to see if there really is a 25bhp difference. Does anyone know if the 911 gets revised internals or cams or are they mechanically identical?If only Porsche didn't have internal marketing politics.... then we could have the full 350hp that the base 991 Carerra gets.
RemyMartin said:
Drove past a very lovely white 62 plate Boxster tonight, I will say though it looked massively overwheeled (although they were nice wheels) and physically the car looked massive. Almost the size of a 911....
Presumably you mean a 997 not a 991? My old Cayman 987 was easily bigger than a 964...I can't help feeling that Porsche have always positioned the Cayman incorrectly as the junior brother to the 911, less expensive yes, but artificially under-powered. The Cayman is a mid-engined sports car with brilliant handling and all the potential to be a genuine junior supercar - if it had the right engine. The 911 is simply a different beast, fast yes, and with the rear-engine layout now well tamed, but not (IMHO) really a supercar. I bought my 911 primarily because it was a 2+2 (and for the 500bhp of course) and could genuinely be used as family transport. It was my daily drive for 12 years, did the shopping and the school run. If Porsche offered a Cayman variant with a GT3 engine, or better still (for me at least) a 500bhp+ turbo version, I would buy one in preference to its 911 equivalent, even at a comparable price, because now my family has grown up I no longer need the compromise of four seats and would prefer the handling characteristics of the mid engined car. Probably heresy to suggest it (gritted teeth waiting for howls of protest) but I think a 500bhp+ Cayman would be a strong competitor even to an F458.
Ruf makes a better option then standard with their 3800S
said:
The 3800 S combines the sports dynamics of a mid-engine roadster with elegant suitability for daily use like no other. The engine sound can be switched from understated to dynamic with the push of a button. The 3800S is powered by a 3.8 liter flat 6 engine that produces 420 hp @ 7.000 rpm and a maximum torque of 450 Nm (332 lb ft) @ 5.600/rpm. In combination with the optional double clutch gear box the standing start from 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) takes just 4.1 seconds and a maximum speed of 186 mph (300 km/h) can be reached. The 3800 S is available as a roadster with soft top or coupe.
http://www.ruf-automobile.de/temp_en.html said:
The 991 Carrera S engine in the 3800S produces 420hp and 332lb/ft of torque at 5600rpm. This is accomplished by the bespoke exhaust and intake developed by RUF and the exclusive RUF remapping of the ECU. Sharing the same basic engine architecture of the 9A1 engine family, the mechanical installation of the 3.8 engine was fairly straightforward. Reconfiguring the installation from a rear-engine to the 981 mid-engine requires the design and manufacture of many hydraulics, pipes, hoses and oil lines that are specific to the 3800S. All these custom components of course are manufactured to the OEM standards you would expect from RUF Automobile. The 3.8 engine is only slightly heavier than the standard engine so the excellent balance of the 981 is maintained.
and sometimes they put a supercharger on such carrera S engine...then around 550hp...Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 1st April 20:43
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