RE: You Know You Want To: Alfa Romeo 33S 1.7i 16v P4

RE: You Know You Want To: Alfa Romeo 33S 1.7i 16v P4

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SVX

2,182 posts

211 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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I had a '91 33 1.7 (albeit the 8v) - it was a hoot to drive would have another!

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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SVX said:
I had a '91 33 1.7 (albeit the 8v) - it was a hoot to drive would have another!
They are fun

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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robemcdonald

8,802 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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I'll bite: how much and what have you done? Apart from repair the cam belt fail.

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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The pics show whats been done, belt went on way home after last MOT, so its had new belts, water pump, valves, plugs, gaskets etc etc, lost count of the cost but its back to life, price? not sure as cant see any for sale, spent more than I should have on this but due to move and divorce £2500 min

battered

4,088 posts

147 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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I had a 33 1.5, it was great fun. After a year I was on first name terms with most of the breakdown services in the N of England. Shortly after that the occasional tapping from the top end turned into a clatter, at which point I decided the engine was scrap and I might as well try to get to Scotch Corner services as at least there I'd be able to drink coffee while I waited for the truck. A little while after that a bang announced the departure of the conrod from the engine block. I still have it on my desk. I sold the remains for £100 to a local Alfa specialist who I knew had an engine. A month later he rang me to say that the new owner had brought the car back complaining that it needed a new gearbox.

Do I want another? No.

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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I love this, its for sale soon, buy it or dont, its just a car

robemcdonald

8,802 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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battered said:
I had a 33 1.5, it was great fun. After a year I was on first name terms with most of the breakdown services in the N of England. Shortly after that the occasional tapping from the top end turned into a clatter, at which point I decided the engine was scrap and I might as well try to get to Scotch Corner services as at least there I'd be able to drink coffee while I waited for the truck. A little while after that a bang announced the departure of the conrod from the engine block. I still have it on my desk. I sold the remains for £100 to a local Alfa specialist who I knew had an engine. A month later he rang me to say that the new owner had brought the car back complaining that it needed a new gearbox.

Do I want another? No.
Amazing really. You bought a car that had obviously been poorly maintained, but it failed because it was an Alfa.
I have had 4 cars with the boxer in. The one thing I've never had an issue with is the engines. Electrical systems however.....

If this were a ford or vw of similar rarity, condition and vintage it would be priced 10 times higher. If you want a retro hot hatch I don't think you'd find a better one for the money.

rallycross

12,800 posts

237 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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Was this on eBay recently ?
Nice to see one surviving have not seen one driving for years.

Had quite a few Suds,Sprints then 33' back in the early 90's they were amazing value when they were 3-5 years old and good fun to drive- these late model ones with the proper reccaro seats were my favourite of the 33, the early models were quite bland in comparison ( but had the same lovely zingy engines).

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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Its not been on ebay, was layed up for year while it got fixed, soon for sale as have to pick what to keep

Funk

26,286 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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ar 145 said:
IM a big alfa fan (look at my username).

Yes I may be missing the point, but £2k for this seems a lot of money considering you could pick a 145 QV up for £1k. Heck, I paid just over £3.5k for a 147 GTA!!
I was gonna say, I thought they'd gotten the price wrong on the article. You'd have to be mental to drop £2.2k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!

vantastic

165 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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its £2500 with new MOT

Funk

26,286 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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vantastic said:
its £2500 with new MOT
Oh well that changes things enormously then...

You'd have to be mental to drop £2.5k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!

robemcdonald

8,802 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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Funk said:
Oh well that changes things enormously then...

You'd have to be mental to drop £2.5k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!
Like what?

battered

4,088 posts

147 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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robemcdonald said:
battered said:
I had a 33 1.5, it was great fun. After a year I was on first name terms with most of the breakdown services in the N of England. Shortly after that the occasional tapping from the top end turned into a clatter, at which point I decided the engine was scrap and I might as well try to get to Scotch Corner services as at least there I'd be able to drink coffee while I waited for the truck. A little while after that a bang announced the departure of the conrod from the engine block. I still have it on my desk. I sold the remains for £100 to a local Alfa specialist who I knew had an engine. A month later he rang me to say that the new owner had brought the car back complaining that it needed a new gearbox.

Do I want another? No.
Amazing really. You bought a car that had obviously been poorly maintained, but it failed because it was an Alfa.
I have had 4 cars with the boxer in. The one thing I've never had an issue with is the engines. Electrical systems however.....

If this were a ford or vw of similar rarity, condition and vintage it would be priced 10 times higher. If you want a retro hot hatch I don't think you'd find a better one for the money.
Obviously poorly maintained? I'm glad you know the car better than I do. Also interesting that the gearbox failure was down to poor maintenance. What maintenance do you do to your manual gearboxes then?
I did a lot of maintenance on the thing and yes, it failed (a few times, and on non-service items) because it wasn't very well engineered.

Funk

26,286 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th September 2015
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robemcdonald said:
Funk said:
Oh well that changes things enormously then...

You'd have to be mental to drop £2.5k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!
Like what?
This for starters: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

or this: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...


thegreenhell

15,361 posts

219 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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Funk said:
robemcdonald said:
Funk said:
Oh well that changes things enormously then...

You'd have to be mental to drop £2.5k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!
Like what?
This for starters: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

or this: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
That's like saying you'd have to be mental to spend ten quid on a bowl of pasta when for the same money you could have bratwurst and sauerkraut. But what if you like pasta and not sausage and pickled cabbage?

Funk

26,286 posts

209 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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thegreenhell said:
Funk said:
robemcdonald said:
Funk said:
Oh well that changes things enormously then...

You'd have to be mental to drop £2.5k on one of these, no matter how rare.

Lots of far better metal out there for the same money!
Like what?
This for starters: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...

or this: http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/b...
That's like saying you'd have to be mental to spend ten quid on a bowl of pasta when for the same money you could have bratwurst and sauerkraut. But what if you like pasta and not sausage and pickled cabbage?
Because if you'd seriously turn down RWD with a straight 6 up front for a 1.7 Alfa on a K-plate...

Maybe sir would prefer sushi instead? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/n...

I'd take any of those three (and others) ahead of the Alfa any day of the week...

Edited by Funk on Thursday 1st October 01:18

MJK 24

5,648 posts

236 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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battered said:
robemcdonald said:
battered said:
I had a 33 1.5, it was great fun. After a year I was on first name terms with most of the breakdown services in the N of England. Shortly after that the occasional tapping from the top end turned into a clatter, at which point I decided the engine was scrap and I might as well try to get to Scotch Corner services as at least there I'd be able to drink coffee while I waited for the truck. A little while after that a bang announced the departure of the conrod from the engine block. I still have it on my desk. I sold the remains for £100 to a local Alfa specialist who I knew had an engine. A month later he rang me to say that the new owner had brought the car back complaining that it needed a new gearbox.

Do I want another? No.
Amazing really. You bought a car that had obviously been poorly maintained, but it failed because it was an Alfa.
I have had 4 cars with the boxer in. The one thing I've never had an issue with is the engines. Electrical systems however.....

If this were a ford or vw of similar rarity, condition and vintage it would be priced 10 times higher. If you want a retro hot hatch I don't think you'd find a better one for the money.
Obviously poorly maintained? I'm glad you know the car better than I do. Also interesting that the gearbox failure was down to poor maintenance. What maintenance do you do to your manual gearboxes then?
I did a lot of maintenance on the thing and yes, it failed (a few times, and on non-service items) because it wasn't very well engineered.
Sud gearboxes were on 12,000 mile oil changes which was basically every second service.

With the later 33, I think it was extended to every 20,000 miles which was still every second service.

Manufacturers requiring gearbox oil changes no matter if manual or automatic is hardly rare.

thegreenhell

15,361 posts

219 months

Thursday 1st October 2015
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Funk said:
Because if you'd seriously turn down RWD with a straight 6 up front for a 1.7 Alfa on a K-plate...

Maybe sir would prefer sushi instead? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/n...

I'd take any of those three (and others) ahead of the Alfa any day of the week...
And you'd be welcome to them.

If you like middle-manager edition BMW repmobiles then go fill your boots with them, but please appreciate that some people do actually prefer, of their own free will, the charms of a 1.7 Alfa on a K-plate. If this car really holds so little appeal to you then I find it quite bizarre that you'd even bother to read this far into the topic, let alone post in it.