RE: You Know You Want To: Alfa Romeo 33S 1.7i 16v P4
Discussion
zebedee said:
I saw a 33 quite recently and was just thinking how long it was since I had seen one and then he floored it and the thing just disappeared! It surprised me how quick it was, guess they were pretty light compared with modern metal.
if it was goldly silver it might of been me vantastic said:
I have marked it sold, end of story
If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and f
k off
Salesman of the year award?If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and f
k off Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
bobdole said:
vantastic said:
I have marked it sold, end of story
If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and fk off
Salesman of the year award?If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and f
k off Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
I guess the frustration is all the posts about poor reliability of 33s/ alfas. I have owned 1 series 2 1.7 8v veloce, 2 series 3 1.7 16v, and 1 1.7 16vs (p4) my current sprint also has a 1.7 16v engine. They are as reliable as other cars from the same era. With the exception of air flow meters and second gear synchros. Any problems I had with mine have usually been caused by dodgy DIY repairs by previous owners.
As for the price. Well I think it was a bargin. There were only a handful on the road when I had mine, so there's probably less than 10 around now. £2k for that level of exclusivity is cheap even if it wasn't a near mint example.
robemcdonald said:
bobdole said:
vantastic said:
I have marked it sold, end of story
If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and fk off
Salesman of the year award?If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and f
k off Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
I guess the frustration is all the posts about poor reliability of 33s/ alfas. I have owned 1 series 2 1.7 8v veloce, 2 series 3 1.7 16v, and 1 1.7 16vs (p4) my current sprint also has a 1.7 16v engine. They are as reliable as other cars from the same era. With the exception of air flow meters and second gear synchros. Any problems I had with mine have usually been caused by dodgy DIY repairs by previous owners.
As for the price. Well I think it was a bargin. There were only a handful on the road when I had mine, so there's probably less than 10 around now. £2k for that level of exclusivity is cheap even if it wasn't a near mint example.
Did he not just tell people to "f
k off" for expressing an opinion on a car? thought so.
bobdole said:
vantastic said:
I have marked it sold, end of story
If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and fk off
Salesman of the year award?If people who know nothing about how good these are and cant see the value.... sorry
your all welcome to post your comments as you will....
Would have been nice if Alex (the person who did the article) had spoken to me before posting it.
The car has new diffs and shafts etc.... you can see them in the photos in the link I did, never mind as its not for sale on here anymore.
Many thanks for the Alfisti replys, the other muppets can say what they like and f
k off Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
A lot of people make negative comments about Alfa, I've given up worrying about it, Alfa ownership makes me happy. I love the rarity of my car, can't remember the last time I saw one like mine on the road.
I had one of these about 10 years ago and loved it. I ended up part exchanging it for a TVR S2. The omly problem with the P4 for me was the offset of the pedals. Used to give me cramp in my right foot on motorway journeys, so I ended up using my left foot on the throttle to give my right foot a rest.
I think I've still got a colour brochure for the P4 somewhere.
I think I've still got a colour brochure for the P4 somewhere.
bobdole said:
Salesman of the year award?
Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
The muppets are back...Clearly its not the car thats the problem its the sellers attitude. Even if i were interested in this car, i certainly wouldn't be now.
This car was sold on ebay to this chap 6-8 months ago for 1400, it was a lovely advert for a great little car sold by a bloke who had owned it for a long time. Its worth about the same price i'd wager maybe 1500 at a push.
This is a dealer chancing it at 2200. Fair play , but dont mistake this for a private seller.
Oh and BTW the Clarkson Alfa 75 was only funny for that one show, the joke is done now. Its nothing more than a ruined Alfa 75.
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 07:59
It sold for £1600 on ebay to me, since then did more work and bought spares as well, so the price is very good or was. Its not for sale now. Not trade either just have lots of Alfa's
robemcdonald said:
Funnily enough I've never met the op. in fact I'm not sure Ive even posted on the same thread as him before. You don't have to be someone's mate to agree with them.
You also dont have to call people "muppets" and thell them to "fk off" just cause they have an opinion on a car....
bobdole said:
You also dont have to call people "muppets" and thell them to "fk off" just cause they have an opinion on a car....
Your getting this all wrong and quotting the wrong personk off" just cause they have an opinion on a car....I have one name vantastic, I was selling a P4, its no longer for sale, I also own a very rare 75
Muppets is a polite way of saying you no sod all as your a puppet, no offence to muppets as I quite like them.
Edited by vantastic on Sunday 9th December 19:20
Dare I wander into this war zone for my first PH post!!!
Alfa 33 is a very acquired taste both looks wise and performance wise. Thats what makes them a bit rare and special - not everyones cup of tea.
I currently have 2 33 P4s, one ready to be restored and one I use as a daily drive. I also have a bunch of other Alfas of the same era.
So, I might be a bit biased, but 33s are good cars, especially when compared to other cars of that era. The range stretched from basic vanilla through to very nice phase 2 cloverleafs, and by the time they reached the phase 3 permanent 4, they were characterful, but like any other end of production model, they were starting to fall behind the times a bit.
My 33 handles exceptionally well - just need to get used to it. Driving position is good - just need to get used to it. Performance is good - just need to get used to it etc etc.
The cars are worth what people will pay for them, and the prices fluctuate a lot. No point comparing it to a 145 as they are very different, although 145/6 prices also suffer the same fluctuations (having bought a good QV in April for 350 and sold it for 800).
So, horses for courses.
There you go Van, broke my promise not to post on your 33. IMO its a beautiful car (wouldn't pay 2k for it though)
Alfa 33 is a very acquired taste both looks wise and performance wise. Thats what makes them a bit rare and special - not everyones cup of tea.
I currently have 2 33 P4s, one ready to be restored and one I use as a daily drive. I also have a bunch of other Alfas of the same era.
So, I might be a bit biased, but 33s are good cars, especially when compared to other cars of that era. The range stretched from basic vanilla through to very nice phase 2 cloverleafs, and by the time they reached the phase 3 permanent 4, they were characterful, but like any other end of production model, they were starting to fall behind the times a bit.
My 33 handles exceptionally well - just need to get used to it. Driving position is good - just need to get used to it. Performance is good - just need to get used to it etc etc.
The cars are worth what people will pay for them, and the prices fluctuate a lot. No point comparing it to a 145 as they are very different, although 145/6 prices also suffer the same fluctuations (having bought a good QV in April for 350 and sold it for 800).
So, horses for courses.
There you go Van, broke my promise not to post on your 33. IMO its a beautiful car (wouldn't pay 2k for it though)
The Wombat said:
Dare I wander into this war zone for my first PH post!!!
Alfa 33 is a very acquired taste both looks wise and performance wise. Thats what makes them a bit rare and special - not everyones cup of tea.
I currently have 2 33 P4s, one ready to be restored and one I use as a daily drive. I also have a bunch of other Alfas of the same era.
So, I might be a bit biased, but 33s are good cars, especially when compared to other cars of that era. The range stretched from basic vanilla through to very nice phase 2 cloverleafs, and by the time they reached the phase 3 permanent 4, they were characterful, but like any other end of production model, they were starting to fall behind the times a bit.
My 33 handles exceptionally well - just need to get used to it. Driving position is good - just need to get used to it. Performance is good - just need to get used to it etc etc.
The cars are worth what people will pay for them, and the prices fluctuate a lot. No point comparing it to a 145 as they are very different, although 145/6 prices also suffer the same fluctuations (having bought a good QV in April for 350 and sold it for 800).
So, horses for courses.
There you go Van, broke my promise not to post on your 33. IMO its a beautiful car (wouldn't pay 2k for it though)
Nice post mate, I would not pay 2k for it, your offer was close and a very good one but I think you know I was not keen to let it go hence the price was very riged at 2k. Its staying now and sure I will need some parts from you at some point lol Alfa 33 is a very acquired taste both looks wise and performance wise. Thats what makes them a bit rare and special - not everyones cup of tea.
I currently have 2 33 P4s, one ready to be restored and one I use as a daily drive. I also have a bunch of other Alfas of the same era.
So, I might be a bit biased, but 33s are good cars, especially when compared to other cars of that era. The range stretched from basic vanilla through to very nice phase 2 cloverleafs, and by the time they reached the phase 3 permanent 4, they were characterful, but like any other end of production model, they were starting to fall behind the times a bit.
My 33 handles exceptionally well - just need to get used to it. Driving position is good - just need to get used to it. Performance is good - just need to get used to it etc etc.
The cars are worth what people will pay for them, and the prices fluctuate a lot. No point comparing it to a 145 as they are very different, although 145/6 prices also suffer the same fluctuations (having bought a good QV in April for 350 and sold it for 800).
So, horses for courses.
There you go Van, broke my promise not to post on your 33. IMO its a beautiful car (wouldn't pay 2k for it though)
This brings back memories. I had a 1992 P4 in Grey when I was 20 years old, I learnt to drive in my mums's 1.7ie and had a Sud Ti, Sprint QV and a couple of carb 33s before buying what was supposed to be the ultimate 33.
I still remember fondly the lovely scream from the flat four, the amazing lack of torque steer (for a 33), the fantastic Recaros and the very delicate Nardi steering wheel. On the downside was a lack of performance compared to the 2wd car, the clunks and knocks from the centre diff, the forever winking 4x4 warning light, the shockingly hard ride and complete lack of braking performance. IIRC the brochure talked of ABS brakes but these were only available on LHD cars. Another 'feature' of the 16 valve flat fours was their propensity to wet their plugs after a cold start. In the end I turned mine into a Permanent 2 but sadly FWD not RWD.
I still remember fondly the lovely scream from the flat four, the amazing lack of torque steer (for a 33), the fantastic Recaros and the very delicate Nardi steering wheel. On the downside was a lack of performance compared to the 2wd car, the clunks and knocks from the centre diff, the forever winking 4x4 warning light, the shockingly hard ride and complete lack of braking performance. IIRC the brochure talked of ABS brakes but these were only available on LHD cars. Another 'feature' of the 16 valve flat fours was their propensity to wet their plugs after a cold start. In the end I turned mine into a Permanent 2 but sadly FWD not RWD.
vantastic said:
bobdole said:
You also dont have to call people "muppets" and thell them to "fk off" just cause they have an opinion on a car....
Your getting this all wrong and quotting the wrong personk off" just cause they have an opinion on a car....I have one name vantastic, I was selling a P4, its no longer for sale, I also own a very rare 75
Muppets is a polite way of saying you no sod all as your a puppet, no offence to muppets as I quite like them.
Edited by vantastic on Sunday 9th December 19:20
I've had an Alfa 'experience'.
It was a 146 Ti & it's true, there's no such thing as a cheap Alfa. It cost me the princely sum of £375 but that was just a tease. Due to non existent service history I duly replaced the cam & balancer belts, variator & water pump, the latter having no impeller vanes left on it when I removed it.
This, I believed, would assuage any fears of belt snapping & it did but a few weeks later the head gasket decided that it wasn't having enough attention spent on it so duly dumped all of the coolant when I was miles from home.
Head gasket replaced, head checked & tested all fine so back on the road.
Soon after I was driving along enjoying the rather lovely Alfa charm when I spotted the oil light flickering & then the bottom end started rattling..................so I killed it.
I had one & I loved it even though it had to die, they get to you in a way that few cars ever do. I'd have another only if I didn't have to rely on a car so much.
It was a 146 Ti & it's true, there's no such thing as a cheap Alfa. It cost me the princely sum of £375 but that was just a tease. Due to non existent service history I duly replaced the cam & balancer belts, variator & water pump, the latter having no impeller vanes left on it when I removed it.
This, I believed, would assuage any fears of belt snapping & it did but a few weeks later the head gasket decided that it wasn't having enough attention spent on it so duly dumped all of the coolant when I was miles from home.
Head gasket replaced, head checked & tested all fine so back on the road.
Soon after I was driving along enjoying the rather lovely Alfa charm when I spotted the oil light flickering & then the bottom end started rattling..................so I killed it.
I had one & I loved it even though it had to die, they get to you in a way that few cars ever do. I'd have another only if I didn't have to rely on a car so much.
Could someone here enlighten me on how exactly Alfa ruined the
highly praised Alfasud Chassis when transforming the car into
the 33?
Personally I expirienced a late Alfa Sprint 1.5, which was
marvelous. It already had the outboard breakes in front but
about the rear brakes I am not sure anymore. Also disks?
Was one of the best drivers cars of the time. Most certainly
much better than the Golf GTis and Escorts, that I tried out
at the same time.
The whole article here reads like the author has never sat in
an Alfa 33. Has he?
Martin 480 Turbo
highly praised Alfasud Chassis when transforming the car into
the 33?
Personally I expirienced a late Alfa Sprint 1.5, which was
marvelous. It already had the outboard breakes in front but
about the rear brakes I am not sure anymore. Also disks?
Was one of the best drivers cars of the time. Most certainly
much better than the Golf GTis and Escorts, that I tried out
at the same time.
The whole article here reads like the author has never sat in
an Alfa 33. Has he?
Martin 480 Turbo
Edited by Martin 480 Turbo on Monday 10th December 10:58
Hi
Had a P4 for years and love it as a car. If you want something for quiet driving then forget it, but if you want something to thrash (and which encourages it) then grab one. Handling is great and steering fine when used like this. Pedals lovely and close together to make heeling and toeing easy. They weigh very little (~1200kg for the P4, the basic series 3 1.3 carbed cars which were not UK models were under 1000kg)
They are pretty reliable (rollers for the cam belt tensioners can suffer, but then that it pretty much universal on modern cars hence they are changed with the belts). No electrical problems. Rust no worse than a Ford of the same age. Power steering rack is pretty reliable, but a nightmare to replace if you need to.
Interior plastics aren't exactly high quality but can't say that bothers me at all.
If the parts were easy to get hold of still (viscous coupling mounts are virtually impossible to get) then I would love one as an everyday car.
P4 solved some of these problems with the 4wd system and rear disk brakes.
All the best
Keith
Had a P4 for years and love it as a car. If you want something for quiet driving then forget it, but if you want something to thrash (and which encourages it) then grab one. Handling is great and steering fine when used like this. Pedals lovely and close together to make heeling and toeing easy. They weigh very little (~1200kg for the P4, the basic series 3 1.3 carbed cars which were not UK models were under 1000kg)
They are pretty reliable (rollers for the cam belt tensioners can suffer, but then that it pretty much universal on modern cars hence they are changed with the belts). No electrical problems. Rust no worse than a Ford of the same age. Power steering rack is pretty reliable, but a nightmare to replace if you need to.
Interior plastics aren't exactly high quality but can't say that bothers me at all.
If the parts were easy to get hold of still (viscous coupling mounts are virtually impossible to get) then I would love one as an everyday car.
Leins said:
I've always really liked the idea of these, but couldn't really resolve the driving position, or that of the later 145.
Can be greatly improved by swapping the seat spacers under the seat runners from front to back. In the 'sud Alfa used to show how to do this in the owners handbook, but they didn't with the 33. But the trick works just as well in the 33.Twincam16 said:
IIRC it was the 156 that was the biggest seller.
Just under 700k 156s were made, while close to 1 million 33s were made. Although the 33 was on sale a couple of years longer.Martin 480 Turbo said:
Could someone here enlighten me on how exactly Alfa ruined the
highly praised Alfasud Chassis when transforming the car into
the 33?
They didn't really. Very early 33s were compromised with a lack of a front anti roll bar (the rear beam axle is designed to act as an anti roll bar). Late 33s did suffer more power than the front wheels could put down, which could be a pain if you were trying to do so (or amusement otherwise....). People lamented the loss of rear disks on the 33.highly praised Alfasud Chassis when transforming the car into
the 33?
P4 solved some of these problems with the 4wd system and rear disk brakes.
All the best
Keith
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